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    Soviet weaponry/equipment in Middle Eastern wars

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    Post  starman on Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    The best chances he had was firing all available Scuds on coalition bases after which he would have had B-2s carpet bombing Baghdad within days.

    The Iraqis fired some SCUDs on Saudi and Israeli cities but the US didn't bomb Baghdad.
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    Post  archangelski on Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:08 pm

    starman wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    The best chances he had was firing all available Scuds on coalition bases after which he would have had B-2s carpet bombing Baghdad within days.

    The Iraqis fired some SCUDs on Saudi and Israeli cities but the US didn't bomb Baghdad.

    You're kidding ?
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:23 am

    starman wrote:
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    Do you think it happened because of the F-4's superiority was a factor?

    I think IAF Mirages scored most of the kills. From what I've read, their missiles were better than Soviet atolls. But the main reason for the defeat, or the lopsided resiult, was simply that the Soviets fell into a trap.

    Also what do you mean even the EAF had more experience? Are you saying the soviets couldnt fly their own aircraft correctly?

    Laughing I meant more experience in fighting the IAF. Interestingly, in one of his volumes on Arab MIGs, Cooper says the Egyptians were the first to use the ambush tactic, late in '68, when, he wrote, EAF MIGs got four Mirages. But the Israelis used the tactic on many subsequent occasions, including September 1973 when SAF MIGs were ambushed.

    And what was so unique and and invulnerable in israeli pilots compared to NATO ones?
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    Post  starman on Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:48 pm

    archangelski wrote:
    You're kidding ?

    Not carpet bombing, as a previous poster wrote.
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    Post  starman on Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:50 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    And what was so unique and and invulnerable in israeli pilots compared to NATO ones?

    They weren't invulnerable, but they had more experience in actual combat with Soviet made jets, with pilots trained by Russians, than NATO pilots.
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    Post  archangelski on Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:28 pm

    starman wrote:
    archangelski wrote:
    You're kidding ?

    Not carpet bombing, as a previous poster wrote.

    I prefer, because Baghdad has actually suffered intense bombings... : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qq3L6EY3zg
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    Post  nastle77 on Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:07 pm

    MIrage III and Mig-21M/SM are probably comparable

    Mig-21 does not even come close to F-4 interms of an air superority fighter

    but Mig-21 is a pretty good point defence interceptor

    so in my humble opinion

    israelis had the following advs

    1 more experienced pilots
    2 favorable tactical situation /element of surprise
    3 outnumbered the migs locally

    why were the soviet mig21 even operating in the offensive role when their piots are not trained for this nor is the fishbed suited for it ?



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