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    Russian Navy: Status & News #3

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:39 am

    Civilian scientific research station on the ice floes at the North Pole. Stuck in during the winter but float around during the summer. With global warming, ice not stable enough. That ship would have to have massive hull strength to withstand the ice pressure in the winter.
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    Post  Isos Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:54 pm

    For much cheaper, they can just put a camera there and watch the pole ^^
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:02 am

    They do all sorts of research on it, so measuring ice thicknesses, checking air and water temperatures, all that sort of stuff.

    they will likely use drones and things as well... air, surface, and underwater drones to monitor conditions etc.

    When the ice melts they can move around if they want to but they likely wont move that much.

    A semi mobile base... like a base in the antarctic but fully self contained and mobile.

    If you want to move it during winter then send an ice breaker and move it.
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:43 am

    Russian Navy Training of combat dolphins in the Sevastopol harbor. October 2017

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:07 pm

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    Imagine Almost Every Russian Warship With Hypersonic Missiles


    http://warisboring.com/imagine-almost-every-russian-warship-with-hypersonic-missiles/
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:35 am

    They are starting to work out the plan....  maybe they will realise the significance of the container launched missiles on river boats could also be fitted to river barges.... imagine 3,000km range Calibrs fired from the many rivers of Russia from large river barges that don't violate the INF treaty because they are not land based system.

    It was the US that demanded that the INF system does not apply to air or sea launched systems....
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    Post  franco Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:59 pm

    See that the Kerch is to become a floating museum in Sevastopol.
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    Post  franco Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:54 pm

    Disposal of submarines and destroyers tenders.

    The Ministry of Defense plans to utilize the submarines of project 877 Novosibirsk (factory number 601) and Vologda (plant number 602).

    The Ministry of Defense is also planning to utilize the destroyers of Project 956 Gremyaschiy (plant number 870) and Gremyashchy (factory number 874, formerly Uncontrolled).

    The deadline for completion of works for all is November 10, 2018. Usable parts to be kept for spares and delivered back to the Navy. Hulls must be cut up. The cost of recycling one ship is 127,737,300 rubles.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:32 pm


    Size comparison between RU Navy ships and China Type-55, please ignore idiotic Anime-class ''destroyer''

    Never noticed how large Steregushi ships are when compared to Gorshkovs

    Russian Navy: Status & News #3 - Page 31 DMKcGp0U8AEsMFZ

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2073966.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Size comparison between RU Navy ships and China Type-55, please ignore idiotic Anime-class ''destroyer''

    Never noticed how large Steregushi ships are when compared to Gorshkovs

    Russian Navy: Status & News #3 - Page 31 DMKcGp0U8AEsMFZ

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2073966.html

    What's that between the Gorshkov and Lider, doesn't look like the Super-Gorshkov, Type 55??
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    Post  eehnie Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:19 pm


    Size comparison between RU Navy ships and China Type-55

    Never noticed how large Steregushi ships are when compared to Gorshkovs

    Russian Navy: Status & News #3 - Page 31 DMKcGp0U8AEsMFZ

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2073966.html

    Very interesting comparison for the Project 23560.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:00 pm

    Project 23560 is not even finalized yet. We don't know what it will look like or what it's dimensions will be; it's not public knowledge.

    They're using that Krylov design triple-pagoda model from several years back in this comparison. I guess it's better than nothing; but it's unlikely to look like that, although the size may be pretty similar.

    What we do know at the moment is that it's likely to be nuclear-propelled and thus more towards the upper bounds of the displacement range they were talking about back when the project was announced.

    To fill the niche of a smaller, cheaper, conventionally-powered destroyer.. we're getting the Super Gorshkov. Quite a smart solution when you think about it. I'd imagine it'd be a little smaller than the Type-55. But armed with Redut S-300/S-400 missiles, Onyx, Kalibrs and Zirkons this won't really matter.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:08 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Size comparison between RU Navy ships and China Type-55, please ignore idiotic Anime-class ''destroyer''

    Never noticed how large Steregushi ships are when compared to Gorshkovs


    What's that between the Gorshkov and Lider, doesn't look like the Super-Gorshkov, Type 55??

    Yes, Type 55
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:10 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Project 23560 is not even finalized yet. We don't know what it will look like or what it's dimensions will be; it's not public knowledge.

    They're using that Krylov design triple-pagoda model from several years back in this comparison. I guess it's better than nothing; but it's unlikely to look like that, although the size may be pretty similar.

    What we do know at the moment is that it's likely to be nuclear-propelled and thus more towards the upper bounds of the displacement range they were talking about back when the project was announced.

    To fill the niche of a smaller, cheaper, conventionally-powered destroyer.. we're getting the Super Gorshkov. Quite a smart solution when you think about it. I'd imagine it'd be a little smaller than the Type-55. But armed with Redut S-300/S-400 missiles, Onyx, Kalibrs and Zirkons this won't really matter.

    All they need to do to make Super Gorshkov is to add one segment between hangar and stack where they would install AA cells, same setup like on Slava cruisers

    One more UKSK launcher in the front and they are good to go, hell even better, replace Reduts in the front with UKSK since they would have whole AA package in the back
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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:17 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:All they need to do to make Super Gorshkov is to add one segment between hangar and stack where they would install AA cells, same setup like on Slava cruisers

    One more UKSK launcher in the front and they are good to go, hell even better, replace Reduts in the front with UKSK since they would have whole AA package in the back

    It's gonna be very interesting to see what config they go for with the SG.
    If the SG becomes reality at all, right now they're still trying to get the Gorshkov online.
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    Post  eehnie Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Project 23560 is not even finalized yet. We don't know what it will look like or what it's dimensions will be; it's not public knowledge.

    They're using that Krylov design triple-pagoda model from several years back in this comparison. I guess it's better than nothing; but it's unlikely to look like that, although the size may be pretty similar.

    What we do know at the moment is that it's likely to be nuclear-propelled and thus more towards the upper bounds of the displacement range they were talking about back when the project was announced.

    To fill the niche of a smaller, cheaper, conventionally-powered destroyer.. we're getting the Super Gorshkov. Quite a smart solution when you think about it. I'd imagine it'd be a little smaller than the Type-55. But armed with Redut S-300/S-400 missiles, Onyx, Kalibrs and Zirkons this won't really matter.

    Just it makes the comparison for the Project 23560 interesting.

    Obviously there is not an official measuring of the ship, but at same time, knowing the displacement, is not difficult to make an approximation of the size of the ship. This is what seems to be done in the graphic.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:38 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:All they need to do to make Super Gorshkov is to add one segment between hangar and stack where they would install AA cells, same setup like on Slava cruisers

    One more UKSK launcher in the front and they are good to go, hell even better, replace Reduts in the front with UKSK since they would have whole AA package in the back

    It's gonna be very interesting to see what config they go for with the SG.
    If the SG becomes reality at all, right now they're still trying to get the Gorshkov online.

    Yeah this foot dragging over laying down new frigates is infuriating.

    What are they waiting for? Yes they still haven't sorted out first one but it takes nearly a decade for Russia to build ship of this size so why not start building more right now? It's not like they can finish them before first one is fixed.

    Waste of time. That is unless they believe that there is a possibility that they will never be able to get first one to work at all.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:25 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Size comparison between RU Navy ships and China Type-55, please ignore idiotic Anime-class ''destroyer''

    Never noticed how large Steregushi ships are when compared to Gorshkovs

    Russian Navy: Status & News #3 - Page 31 DMKcGp0U8AEsMFZ

    https://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/2073966.html

    Is that a shrunken Kirov class to the right?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:08 am

    What are they waiting for? Yes they still haven't sorted out first one but it takes nearly a decade for Russia to build ship of this size so why not start building more right now? It's not like they can finish them before first one is fixed.

    What is the rush?

    Getting the design right before mass producing them is just basic common sense... they already have plenty of vessels available to them.... there is no huge hurry to get more into service AFAIK.

    The whole point is to produce one type of multipurpose vessel that can do everything and then once it is all working to put it into production and have lots of them.

    No point in having lots of them only to find they can't be made to work and need a complete redesign.
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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:15 am

    GarryB wrote:
    What are they waiting for? Yes they still haven't sorted out first one but it takes nearly a decade for Russia to build ship of this size so why not start building more right now? It's not like they can finish them before first one is fixed.

    What is the rush?

    Getting the design right before mass producing them is just basic common sense... they already have plenty of vessels available to them.... there is no huge hurry to get more into service AFAIK.

    The whole point is to produce one type of multipurpose vessel that can do everything and then once it is all working to put it into production and have lots of them.

    No point in having lots of them only to find they can't be made to work and need a complete redesign.

    Well they are sending an obsolete cruiser to protect their forces in Syria ... so yes they should hurry up and build some big ships. Most of the sovs are dead ships and half of the rest of usable ships are in the pacific.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:23 am

    Isos wrote:Well they are sending an obsolete cruiser to protect their forces in Syria

    Obsolete?  The Slavas are hardly obsolete given that they pack P-500 Bazalt carrier-killers (maybe P-1000 Vulcan) and S-300F.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:27 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Isos wrote:Well they are sending an obsolete cruiser to protect their forces in Syria

    Obsolete?  The Slavas are hardly obsolete given that they pack P-500 Bazalt carrier-killers (maybe P-1000 Vulcan) and S-300F.

    P-500's......maybe when those things where new sure these days? they won't be sinking any carrier anytime soon.

    They need to replace those missiles, those missiles are like 30 years old Anti Air defenses have long since moved on.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:32 am

    GarryB wrote:
    What are they waiting for? Yes they still haven't sorted out first one but it takes nearly a decade for Russia to build ship of this size so why not start building more right now? It's not like they can finish them before first one is fixed.

    What is the rush?

    Getting the design right before mass producing them is just basic common sense... they already have plenty of vessels available to them.... there is no huge hurry to get more into service AFAIK.

    The whole point is to produce one type of multipurpose vessel that can do everything and then once it is all working to put it into production and have lots of them.

    No point in having lots of them only to find they can't be made to work and need a complete redesign.

    Russians do not have "Plenty of ships ready" they fleet is in disarray right now needing larger hull ships the only things they have more than 10 of is corvettes, other then that they got what 3 new frigates and some "Light" Frigates?.

    and maybe a handful of still functioning soviet era vessels they haven't been modernized

    They don't even have 15 operational Nuclear submarines the majority of that fleet is in overhaul or awaiting overhaul.

    Their surface ships are in even more sorry state. Yeah thats alot of ships alright.

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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:27 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Isos wrote:Well they are sending an obsolete cruiser to protect their forces in Syria

    Obsolete?  The Slavas are hardly obsolete given that they pack P-500 Bazalt carrier-killers (maybe P-1000 Vulcan) and S-300F.

    Not the slava but the other one I forrgot the name.

    Talking about the slave, btw they needed to send one from the pacific fleet ...

    Now that they have grigorovitch it is much easier and faster to send a big ship in syria to control the airspace ... with a gorshkov it would be far better than even with a slava. It just proves that they need more modern frigates.
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    Post  eehnie Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:44 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    What are they waiting for? Yes they still haven't sorted out first one but it takes nearly a decade for Russia to build ship of this size so why not start building more right now? It's not like they can finish them before first one is fixed.

    What is the rush?

    Getting the design right before mass producing them is just basic common sense... they already have plenty of vessels available to them.... there is no huge hurry to get more into service AFAIK.

    The whole point is to produce one type of multipurpose vessel that can do everything and then once it is all working to put it into production and have lots of them.

    No point in having lots of them only to find they can't be made to work and need a complete redesign.

    Russians do not have "Plenty of ships ready" they fleet is in disarray right now needing larger hull ships the only things they have more than 10 of is corvettes, other then that they got what 3 new frigates and some "Light" Frigates?.

    and maybe a handful of still functioning soviet era vessels they haven't been modernized

    They don't even have 15 operational Nuclear submarines the majority of that fleet is in overhaul or awaiting overhaul.

    Their surface ships are in even more sorry state. Yeah thats alot of ships alright.


    This is false. Russia has 37 nuclear submarines in active service, number which excludes those that are being modernized. And the rest of the fleet is in good condition.

    Russia obviously need to include still the most modern missiles, but it can be done perfectly in ships under 35 years old. These ships are significantly newer than a good number of your (US) aircraft carriers.



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