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    Post  medo on Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:43 pm

    It seems these Priboj class LHD is smaller than Mistral, so maybe they will also build larger one ( maybe with nuclear power plant ), which will be bigger than Mistral and take more helicopters on the deck.
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    Post  mack8 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:06 am

    Better model pictures of the main future VMF vessels:
    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/
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    Post  Dima on Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:33 pm

    mack8 wrote:Well well well, the new BDK, called "Priboy"!
    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/930072.html
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    It looks beautiful unlike Mistrals or the typical LHDs around the globe. Hope its a solid plan and funds are allocated at the earliest, but who is the designer if its not NDB?

    The earlier link you posted has an update in the end which a quote from NDB spokeswomen denying any knowledge of the ship of that name.
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    Post  Dima on Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:45 pm

    wilhelm wrote:Nice, Mack.

    Not being a Russian speaker, is this simply a design concept, or is it likely this will form a concrete basis for a domestic vessel class to replace the Mistrals?

    It has an interesting hull shape below the waterline.

    http://translate.yandex.com/
    Model amphibious assault ship "Surf" on the forum "Army-2015"

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       Very interesting shape of the underwater part. Not easy in the video with the first demonstration Shoigu was not shape it is the underwater part. What I was talking about ak_12 some time ago. However I have some predictions about what is a clean ship and the affinity with the "Leader" I was wrong too.

       As reported 16.06.2015, the Office of the press service and information of the defense Ministry, amphibious assault ship (UDC) project "Surf", which can be an alternative to the French helicopter carrier "Mistral", presented in the form of layout on the stand of the Main command of the Navy of Russia in the framework of the forum "Army-2015".

       Characteristics inherent in the project indicate that the ships of the project "Surf" will be able to successfully solve the problems for reception, carriage and disembarkation of a sea landing.

       In a unique project UDC, which develops Nevskoe design Bureau, will not be repeated technical practices and systems that already exist on the French ship. On the "Surf" everything will be domestic: airborne-forming means, and the air wing, and weapon systems.

       In the Main command of the Russian Navy expects that for the needs of the Russian fleet to be built at least four such ships.
       The decision to build the ship will be taken after the completion of his project.
       Presumably, UDC "Surf" will have a displacement of 14 tons with a draft of 5 m. the Ship can reach speeds up to 20 knots. The range of this sailing will be 6 thousand nautical miles, and the autonomy of the campaign is 60 days.

       On Board will accommodate up to 8 anti-submarine and amphibious-landing of helicopters Ka-27 and Ka-52K. The ship can carry up to 60 units. UDC will carry four landing craft of the project M or two project M.
       UDC will be able to provide its air defense with developing sea-based Armor-M".

       +

       new version:

       Nevskoe design Bureau has denied reports that it has designed an analogue of the French "Mistral".
       "This is bullshit. No analogues of "Mistral" we have not built and will not build," he quoted dp.ru the words of the General Director Sergey Vlasov Bureau representative.
       She noted that about "Surf" hears for the first time.

    George1 wrote:the helicopters that carry will be only those shown in photo? They seem too less
    There are 6 spots for helos same numbers like the Mistrals and two elevators but probably smaller ones compared to elevators at the stern we see on Jaun Carlos and Mistrals.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:26 am

    Dima wrote:

    George1 wrote:the helicopters that carry will be only those shown in photo? They seem too less
    There are 6 spots for helos same numbers like the Mistrals and two elevators but probably smaller ones compared to elevators at the stern we see on Jaun Carlos and Mistrals.

    More like San Giorgio (more design philosophy less displacement) or Osumi (less design philosophy more displacement).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Giorgio-class_amphibious_transport_dock
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Csumi-class_tank_landing_ship

    The only disadvantage I can see is limited air wing. ¨Russian ¨ Mistral was to carry up to 16 helos ¨Priboy¨ air-wing consists of 8. What is definitely good is
    - gun (to support landing zone - maybe in the future with rocket propelled ammo like Vulcan)  or self-defense including ASMs and sea-pantsirs.
    - timing
    - who will build Smile

    The nuclear ¨Mistralsky¨ is to me more like small AC with landing ship ability (something like old Soviet rocket cruisers with air-wing)
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:44 pm

    We don't have a tread for naval robots/drones... dunno


    New Russian Underwater Spy Robot to Trick Submarines, Evading Detection

    The Russian robot submarine made an appearance at the international military forum, impressing with its new cutting edge technology.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150619/1023597255.html

    During the international military-technical forum ‘Army 2015’ the "Glider-T" underwater robotic vehicle was presented, the press service of the Joint instrument-making corporation reported.

    The new robot submarine with its torpedo-like appearance can navigate without the Glonass navigation system. "Glider-T" can operate in autonomous mode for up to 180 days and find its route without human intervention.

    The robot will be able to determine the type of ships passing by just by their sound emissions. It will also be able to simulate as a decoys; obstructing enemy sonars devices. Simply put, it will trick other submarines and smart torpedoes.

    Further still, developers of the “Glider-T” claim that the robot will be able to patrol and carry out water sampling to determine contamination levels. It will also be able to take photographs of various marine objects.

    The robotic vehicle will also be able to transmit information to computer equipment’s via GSM-modem, radio or satellite communications.

    The "Glider-T" was developed by the Moscow Design Bureau "Kompas," constructed out of heavy-duty and lightweight material and is sea water and oil resistant.

    It is also equipped with an innovative engine, allowing the vehicle to move underwater completely unnoticed to modern detection devices.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:We don't have a tread for naval robots/drones... dunno

    New Russian Underwater Spy Robot to Trick Submarines, Evading Detection

    We should probably start one up....the 'Glider-T' looks interesting


    mack8 wrote:Well well well, the new BDK, called "Priboy"!

    It turns out the "Priboy" was in fact the "Lavina" project

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    The project involves the basing of 16 helicopters and six landing craft project 11770 "Serna" or six air assault craft project 03160 "Raptor".

    According to the draft, the ship will be armed with a gun mounts AK-176M and AK-630M-2 "Duet" and naval air defense systems "Pantsir-M"

    Источник: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/lavina-udk/ ВТС «БАСТИОН» A.V.Karpenko

    Lavina will have a full load displacement of 24,000 tons, as opposed to 21,300 tons for the French-designed ship. It will also have a maximum speed of 22 knots, compared to 19 knots for the Mistrals, two of which were ordered by the Russian Navy four years ago.

    http://rt.com/news/268504-mistral-replacement-avalance-lavina/


    There's some speculation that it will be able to beach itself directly onto a beach to land marines and vehicles....sort of a combination between a helicopter carrier and a Tank Landing Ship.

    .....

    The "Priboy" is apparently a separate project more akin to the Ivan Rogov class (but with an enlarged helicopter wing)

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:23 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:We don't have a tread for naval robots/drones... dunno

    New Russian Underwater Spy Robot to Trick Submarines, Evading Detection

    We should probably start one up....the 'Glider-T' looks interesting

    hopefully subs and new AC will receive them.


    Cyberspec wrote:

    There's some speculation that it will be able to beach itself directly onto a beach to land marines and vehicles....sort of a combination between a helicopter carrier and a Tank Landing Ship.


    no wonder because in Russian priboy = breaking-wave :-) BTW model has 6 helos on board so rather looks small besides Avalanche seem nto to have nuclear power plant.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:16 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:...................................
    Lavina will have a full load displacement of 24,000 tons, as opposed to 21,300 tons for the French-designed ship. It will also have a maximum speed of 22 knots, compared to 19 knots for the Mistrals, two of which were ordered by the Russian Navy four years ago.

    http://rt.com/news/268504-mistral-replacement-avalance-lavina/
    There's some speculation that it will be able to beach itself directly onto a beach to land marines and vehicles....sort of a combination between a helicopter carrier and a Tank Landing Ship.

    Don't see the need for this, it just complicates design as far as I can tell, but I am a navy noob myself Smile. Besides, they will have Ivan Gren class to do this "stunt work".

    Cyberspec wrote:
    The "Priboy" is apparently a separate project more akin to the Ivan Rogov class (but with an enlarged helicopter wing)

    So basically you just move the central part of Ivan Rogov to the front to clear the space for helicopter pads and, voilà you got yourself a fancy new landing ship.  Cool  

    Simple and elegant, I'm surprised it took them this long...
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:02 pm

    Raptors in Novorossisk.

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    Post  franco on Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:54 pm

    The DDGS Kerch will be retired apparently as it will be too expensive to repair or modernize after it's fire.


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    Post  franco on Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:56 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Raptors in Novorossisk.

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    By years end there are to be 8 of these plus the 2 BG-12 look-a-likes (10% smaller and copies of the Swedish boat) in the Black Sea Fleet.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:31 pm

    Interview with head of Almaz - new missile hovercraft?
    http://ria.ru/interview/20150623/1082226356.html

    Do you plan the development of the project 1239 – missile hovercraft? Whether it will be upgraded or replaced by another project?
    — Will the continuation of this unique project, ultimately will decide whether the customer – Navy. We are ready though now to propose a draft of a new hovercraft vessels of skeg type: relevant design studies in the field of weapons and power plants we have already carried out proactively. Taking into account the operating experience of existing ships – "Forests" and "Sandstorm" – in the black sea fleet we have made some simplifications of the project, which will reduce technical risks and the cost of construction, increase the reliability of the vehicle.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/interview/20150623/1082226356.html#ixzz3dyxL4Q7b

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    there is overwhelming evidence that Russia is once again embarking on an aggressive naval shipbuilding program.

    They haven't even produced a brand new vessel the size of a Frigate... but their program is aggressive... how many carrier groups does the US have vs Russia? A carrier group screams aggression and clearly shows which "side" is the aggressor.

    I didn't bother reading any further in either article... I read those articles during the cold war... it seems they are still the only articles written in the west.  Sad

    ¨Ruskies¨are aggressively defending their homeland while West peacefully is carpet-bombing whoever can pillage make their democratic slaves lol!
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    Post  calripson on Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:47 pm

    franco wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Raptors in Novorossisk.

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    By years end there are to be 8 of these plus the 2 BG-12 look-a-likes (10% smaller and copies of the Swedish boat) in the Black Sea Fleet.

    What is up with that camo ? It stands out in open water like a sore thumb. Can't they come up with a better color and pattern ?
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:30 am

    The photo is taken from above... other boats will see it from level and a patrol boat that is designed to be coastal and even used in rivers will often have land behind it.

    In this case however the camouflage likely shows it is a coastal/river, rather than practical.
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    Post  wilhelm on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:The photo is taken from above... other boats will see it from level and a patrol boat that is designed to be coastal and even used in rivers will often have land behind it.

    In this case however the camouflage likely shows it is a coastal/river, rather than practical.

    Indeed.

    Remembering my edition of Janes Fighting Ships, many Finnish and almost all Swedish combat vessels from the late 1980's had similar camouflague patterns for much the same reasons.
    Both were inshore coastal navies.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:00 pm

    Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Viktor Chirkov said that design work on the fifth-generation submarines underway, and technical requirements of the Main command of the Navy in this matter is dictated by a comprehensive approach to the development of submarine forces.


    MOSCOW, June 26 — RIA Novosti. Shipyard "Sevmash" are already obliged to prepare a production base for the construction of nuclear submarines (NPS), the fifth generation, design work on the submarines underway, said Friday the commander in chief of the Russian Navy Admiral Viktor Chirkov.
    Previously commander reported that submarines of the fifth generation will be different from today's unified modular platforms, integration of weapons and the presence of robotic systems.
    "Sevmash" are already obliged to prepare production capacities for the construction of nuclear submarines of the fifth generation," — said teals.
    He added that construction work on the fifth-generation submarines underway, and technical requirements of the Main command of the Navy in this matter is dictated by a comprehensive approach to the development of submarine forces.
    "We need low noise, maneuverable boats with higher settings of stealth and possessing powerful weapons," — said teals.
    Sevmash is the largest Russian company, which builds nuclear submarines. During its 75-year history, the plant has built 132 nuclear submarines — more than any other shipyard in the world.



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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:27 am

    Stern and side views of the Project 11356 Admiral Grigorovich frigate.

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    Post  max steel on Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:06 pm

    Laughing

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:46 am

    max steel wrote:  Laughing

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    TR1? Who is that?.... Is that an abbreviation for Trash Repeater No 1?

    To think that I used to defend that f^&*ing clown....
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    Post  max steel on Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:50 am

    he was russiandef forum veteran thats his pseudonym TR1 .
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    Post  chicken on Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:26 am

    TR1's not that bad, He's informative, just has different opinions to others on the board.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:59 am

    TR1's not that bad, He's informative, just has different opinions to others on the board.

    Everyone has their own opinion... he has trouble accepting this though... and everything is Putins fault...

    I must say I have less respect for him when he calls us clowns on other forums.
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:57 am

    GarryB wrote:
    TR1's not that bad, He's informative, just has different opinions to others on the board.

    Everyone has their own opinion... he has trouble accepting this though... and everything is Putins fault...

    I must say I have less respect for him when he calls us clowns on other forums.

    The most bizarre things I read from him concerned his defence of Chechen terrorists.
    For example, one post, he said that it was ok/understandable for them to target Christians for kidnapping. And it wasn't "racism" because they were "targetting them rather than Muslims because there was no come back".

    However, I don't think he was the worst by a long way. The defence of Nazism posters are surely the worst. And it repulses me to think they can have the neck to post on a Russia forum
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:34 pm


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