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    Russian Navy: Status & News #2

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:38 am

    I think they mentioned there would be two versions... they mentioned one version was for mounting on existing vessels as an upgrade, while the other version was for new ships... which suggests the newer version might have stealth features/modifications.

    Should be a very capable system... especially if they allow the main radar set to give it data and use the new 40km range missiles...
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:05 pm

    GarryB wrote:I think they mentioned there would be two versions... they mentioned one version was for mounting on existing vessels as an upgrade, while the other version was for new ships... which suggests the newer version might have stealth features/modifications.

    Should be a very capable system... especially if they allow the main radar set to give it data and use the new 40km range missiles...
    Can't wait to see that "stealth system"! For some reason this "naval Pantsir" is very exciting.... Slow Harpoon + Naval Pantsir = Good bye Harpoon!

     - That 40km range would be great...
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:48 am

    The fact that they are integrating the design with Hermes which is an air to ground and ground to ground munition with a range of terminal guidance options is interesting too...
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:The fact that they are integrating the design with Hermes which is an air to ground and ground to ground munition with a range of terminal guidance options is interesting too...
    They are? How does that make any sense?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:48 am

    They are? How does that make any sense?

    They are both made by the same company based on the same original missile design... both are tube launched missiles with a large solid rocket booster and a small slim low drag missile.

    The standard SAMs use a simple cheap radio command guidance, while the air to ground weapons have a range of guidance options including Semi Active Laser Homing, MMW radar homing, Glonass guidance and IIR homing.

    Boosters and tubes are standard, but different missile for different roles/jobs.


    you should know australians thought about ading aip to ocean going colins class ssk ,and deemed it not worth enough, with 30min of snorkeling they could recharge batteries and aip was not needed ,once you deplete aip its dead weight carried around, aip is not some magic and its usefulnes is arguable.

    Hahaha... and what happens when NATO is looking for you and sticking up a snorkle for 30mins will get you dead... how much money did you save?

    The Aussies will save money on AIP because there is no ASW worth a damn in the region that makes snorkling unsafe.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:40 pm

    Nice addition to Russian Navy Very Happy thumbsup

    Crimean fighting dolphins "adopted at the service of" the Russian army
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    Post  Mike E Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:37 am

    Viktor wrote:Nice addition to Russian Navy  Very Happy  thumbsup

    Crimean fighting dolphins "adopted at the service of" the Russian army
    Great way to piss Kiev off without doing anything major!
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    Post  Austin Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:07 pm

    Prototype destroyer type "Leader" will be created in Russia in 2018


    Promising destroyer type "Leader" will be created in Russia, roughly, by 2018, the ITAR-TASS referring to the deputy chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkareva


    "In iron" the first prototype will be in three years, "- he said.


    Bochkarev said that currently work on the project "is at all." Create a draft of a new craft specialists Northern Design Bureau (St. Petersburg).


    As previously reported, the development work on advanced destroyers were made to the state defense order in 2014 This is a multi-purpose ship large displacement, equipped with shock weapons and increased autonomy. New destroyer to replace the ships projects 956 and 1155 - the main Russian surface ships of the oceanic zone.
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    Post  zg18 Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:56 pm

    At 1:20 sec , target ship being hit by Moskito AShM

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    Post  Mike E Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:44 pm

    zg18 wrote:At 1:20 sec , target ship being hit by Moskito AShM

    It almost looked like the missile split apart when it impacted the hit... It was from a weird angle though.
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    Post  zg18 Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:48 am

    Mike E wrote:It almost looked like the missile split apart when it impacted the hit... It was from a weird angle though.

    Look again , two missiles hit the target which is in line with Soviet naval thinking.
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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:34 am

    Makes sense... Thanks!

     - That would shred a Burke or Tico, maybe even the Ford into a billion pieces!
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    Post  zg18 Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:24 am

    Mike E wrote:Makes sense... Thanks!

     - That would shred a Burke or Tico, maybe even the Ford into a billion pieces!



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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:40 am

    That is a great video, seen it before...

    People don't realize that the West really doesn't have a counter to these supersonic AShM's.
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    Post  redgiacomo Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:11 pm

    In western forums is said that AEGIS can intercept almost every type of missile.
    But I've always had doubts about these claims, especially considering the technical superiority of a Russian anti-ship missiles.
    The pro-american claims that the perfect missile should have a low RCS and a low altitude flight to surprise and successfully hit an enemy naval force, they think speed is definitly not important.
    I think that the development of increasingly powerful CIWS (Kashtan-M, Pantsir) has finally challenged the american missile philosophy, even if people on the internet keep on saying that Harpoon is the best missile etc.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:58 pm

    redgiacomo wrote:In western forums is said that AEGIS can intercept almost every type of missile.
    But I've always had doubts about these claims, especially considering the technical superiority of a Russian anti-ship missiles.
    The pro-american claims that the perfect missile should have a low RCS and a low altitude flight to surprise and successfully hit an enemy naval force, they think speed is definitly not important.
    I think that the development of increasingly powerful CIWS (Kashtan-M, Pantsir) has finally challenged the american missile philosophy, even if people on the internet keep on saying that Harpoon is the best missile etc.


    I think your referring to the charlatans and the solipsists on mp.net and the f-16 forums, remember these were the same cretins who were parroting unquestionably the erroneous and unsubstantiated claims of WMD's in Iraq 10 years ago, so in short their willing to obey and even defend Plato's cave so long as it aligns with their agenda (with a warm hand scratching behind their ears).
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    Post  Mike E Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:03 pm

    By "smaller" I meant less power consuming.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:53 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    In the port of Novorossiysk accommodate submarines carrying missiles with a range of 1.5 thousand. Km

    with a range of 1.5 thousand. Km

    range of more than 1.5 thousand. Miles

    Difference is factor of 1.85 so someone who knows Russian should make this statement clear of google translator crunching job
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    Post  Mike E Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:50 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  thumbsup

    In the port of Novorossiysk accommodate submarines carrying missiles with a range of 1.5 thousand. Km

    with a range of 1.5 thousand. Km

    range of more than 1.5 thousand. Miles

    Difference is factor of 1.85 so someone who knows Russian should make this statement clear of google translator crunching job
    Aren't the Kalibrs with a range that far all land-attack models? What would be the purpose of that? (As far as I know, the AShM's all have sub-1000 km range, with the supersonic tipped model having even less range. - I could be wrong, does anyone want to correct me?) There would be basically no point in equipping the Kilos with land-attack Kalibrs, for crying out loud it isn't an Oscar!
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:01 am

    Difference is factor of 1.85 so someone who knows Russian should make this statement clear of google translator crunching job

    I would suggest a US based translator with a sloppy reporter who tried to correct but didn't do a great job.

    The Russian military is metric.

    The main problem is separating missiles from domestic and export.

    The Klub family include a subsonic all the way anti ship and land attack missile with a range of about 300km (290km actually) with a payload of 400kgs
    There is also the subsonic most of the way supersonic rocket propelled for the last 30-40km to penetrate the last line of defences which has a reported range of about 220km.
    There is also Yakhont, which is a high speed anti ship missile and a mach 2 ballistic missile that delivers a torpedo payload up to 40km from the vessel to hunt subs that replaces the SS-N-15.

    On the domestic vessels however with no limitation via the MRCT, the long range land attack missile has a range of 2,500km and is called Kalibr.
    There is a related version with high supersonic (mach 2.9) terminal penetration stage, which has been reported to have a flight range of 1,500km... most of it at high level at subsonic flight speed, but terminal portion high supersonic.
    The supersonic anti ship missile is Onyx with a flight range of 500-700km, and there is an anti sub missile that launches a ballistic rocket carrying a torpedo up to 50km to the target area.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:24 pm

    Woah... That article you posted Dutch claims hat the Onyx has a range of over 600 km! - At the same time, it says that is flies at 750 meters per second, which appears slow... So it could just be wishful thinking.

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    "The main attack system on the Yasen is the P-800 Onyx, the latest Russian supersonic cruise missile. This missile is the base version for two absolutely identical export versions in terms of their appearance: the Russian Yakhont and the Indian BrahMos, although with significantly reduced combat characteristics. These devices are capable of being fired from under water. They fly at a speed of 750 metres per second and carry a devastating high-explosive warhead weighing half a tonne. They have a range of more than 600 kilometres. The Onyx is guided to its target by a navigational system that operates on target designation data, that is inputted provisionally to the missile before it is launched. At a predetermined point in the trajectory (25–80 kilometres), the missile’s homing device is briefly activated and determines the precise location of the target. The homing device is activated again after a sharp reduction in altitude of 5–15 metres, just seconds before it hits the enemy. This is to ensure that when the enemy detects the missile’s launch it cannot ‘jam’ the missile with electronic countermeasures."
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:18 am

    750m/s would be about right... about mach 2.2.

    It should be noted the flight radius of the MiG-31 at mach 2 is about 750km, so that is pretty efficient when carrying a 500kg payload...

    Of course the new upgraded missiles could be the two types of Klub missile... I would suspect the Onyx got Brahmos like upgrades a while ago.

    And it mentions that tests of Zirconium start next year so it clearly is not that.

    In the article it mentions two versions of the land and sea based weapon which to me suggests the Klub rather than the Onyx.

    (supersonic and subsonic versions I suspect they have upgraded the electronics to the point where all the versions can be land attack or radar homing (ie anti ship or radar target... ie bridge etc).

    That would mean the two versions would be Supersonic and subsonic for land and sea launch.

    Pieces fit in my opinion.
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    Post  zg18 Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:50 pm

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    Post  Viktor Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:26 pm

    Production of new torpedoes for Russian Federation starts next year thumbsup

    "Dagdizel" to start serial production of new torpedoes
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    Post  Mike E Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:22 pm

    Viktor wrote:Production of new torpedoes for Russian Federation starts next year  thumbsup

    "Dagdizel" to start serial production of new torpedoes
    Great! Russia's current range of torps needs to be replaced ASAP, despite the lack of torp improvements in the West.

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