SeigSoloyvov wrote:six Migs....really that would a horrid idea.
I am sorry any third world rate nation can take down six fighters with ZERO hassle.
Modern day ships will out range the Migs, a half dozen migs would not be able to provide any kind of real cover. They would be slight annoyances at best.
Buddy...six goddam migs (which honestly is a moderate number going by your counts) would under no circumstances be able to provide Air cover against F-18's in the volume they would have to deal with.
Brits lost more ships in the War but okay?.
Close to their shores no? if we caught them in the open ocean those fleets would be destroyed, sorry my countries navy is number 1. We would take loss sure but we would sink MUCH more ships then we would lose.
Sorry, your idea is a poor one and only on the armchair does it make any kind of sense. If Russia thought this was a viable idea they would have done it. Please do not act like they have not considered it. The Juan Carlos was offered to the Russians along with the Mistral but the Ruskies denied it.
That alone tells me all I need to know.
If Russia faces US navy they sure won't fight on open seas. But that's not an argument at all. The world isn't thinking about US anytime they do something. I suggested an idea which in my opinion would be good.
Brits reconquired the Island ... BTW they lost their ships against two Super Etandard armed with 2 exocets Argentinians didn't need 10 carriers for that.
Juan Carlos can't fit Migs just VSTOL fighters as it ski jump would be on the landing area of the mig which is dangerous. They would have an oversized ship without the fighters on it. Harriers are British.
You navy is not number 1 at all. You oblige other countries to give you all the support you need and more you oblige them to fight for you. What would you do against china or Russia without Japan, corea, australia and EU ? Nothing. Nor you would have done anything in Afghanistan or Irak.
Look how french Rafales destroyed your F-16 in exercices, how an indian Kilo class destroyed a Los angeles class in exercices, how french nuc subs destroyed a carrier group in exercices, how israeli F-16/15 destroyed your F-18 in exercices, how Kornets destroyed Abrams, how a Phalanx shot on a friendly ship during training ... You, US in general, should stop thinking that your untouchable. There were much powerfull empires during their time than you are today that ended very badly.
Lets make a list of words you are trying to put in my mouth
Rafales ARE much better than F-16's. I never claimed the F-16 was some super amazing aircraft, did I?.
When did I say you need ten aircraft carriers to sink navy ships? That has nothing to do with what I said?. I said the brits lost more warships and they would have lost a shit ton more if Argentina had half decent technology the only thing that saved those carriers was the lack of technology.
When did I say my navy was number one in all things? I said it is number one yes and it is. If you doubt that then your are blinded by fanboyism.
When did I say my navy could not be touched? I said we would take losses, just we would kill more ships in return. It's cute you say this considering my remarks about the Zirzon and how I say Hypersonic ship missiles render basic Defense pointless.
Now you try and put words in my mouth again and I will ignore you in the future, I am all for an honest chat not some trying to pull what you are.
Now onto your other points.
F-18's were designed to strike ground targets and ships, Carrier-based aircraft are not better than dedicated Air Sup fighters for clear reasons that Multi-role comes with a cost.
Put you SU-33's against an F-18 see how that goes, has for the Mig-29 I'll wait and see I have yet to see any real capable action from it. It's Track record in syria proved pretty shitty so far.
Electric subs are virtually noiseless machines and Nuclear subs aren't that Los Angelos was also an older one not a new block.
The french sub merely locked on and hit a button (a simulated hit), that torpedo would not have hit if it was fired.
True but they could have easyily redesigned it front some with little hassle if they wanted to turn it into a semi carrier. So your point is quite moot here.
What would we do against Russia? depends is the Russian fleet near their coast? in which case nothing.
If we caught them on open ocean goodbye Russian fleet. China would stand a more fair chance really then Russia would on the open ocean but it would still be the death of them also.
Near their coast not much.
Your idea is not good has you cannot stick fighters on an helio carrier without basically redesigning the entire ship and harming it's Ability to land troops. so no sorry no offense but your idea is silly and shows a lack of knowledge. Russia Navy doesn't think it's a good idea, US navy doesn't Chinese doesn't.
So yes excuse me if I do not agree when professionals do not also.