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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:01 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The fact that you joined such an alliance suggests what sort of neighbour you are being...
    What sort of neighbor are we being? China repeatedly vetoes UN efforts to blacklist Pakistan based Islamic terrorist groups that regularly targets India.

    https://time.com/5551266/china-block-un-blacklist-masood-azhar/

    Did Russia side with India during last year's confrontation between India & China..NO. And Russia will suggest that we are not obliged to.

    So why shouldn't India build a coalition of countries that are at the receiving end of Chinese belligerence.

    More importantly, India imports a whole lot of military hardware, oil and gas from Russia. Payment for these imports has to be made in US dollars. If India refuses to maintain good relations with US and as a result of this if the US restricts India from using either the US dollar or from availing the SWIFT system how is India going to pay Russia?

    China-US trade is 10X that of US India trade. Russia still considers China to be an ally.

    Russia refrained from taking sides diplomatically but it provided India all the arms and ammo it asked for as part of emergency measures, even despite the Chinese side suggesting to Russia that wouldn't serve peace in the region.

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:45 am

    flamming_python wrote:Russia refrained from taking sides diplomatically but it provided India all the arms and ammo it asked for as part of emergency measures, even despite the Chinese side suggesting to Russia that wouldn't serve peace in the region.
    By suggesting that the West was responsible for encouraging India to fight against China, Russia in essence blamed India for the flare up. While it is indeed true that the US is trying to start a war between India & China, last year it was China that invaded India and not the other way round.

    As far as supply of arms and ammo to India are concerned the only contracts that Russia is fulfilling right now are those that were signed a few years ago. Imports of arms, ammo as a result of ongoing hostilities with China is not taking place. Some systems are on offer like the Sprut SDM1.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:18 am



    https://asiatimes.com/2021/04/did-delhi-just-yield-the-indian-ocean-to-the-us/?mc_cid=13bdcd0a22&mc_eid=5455568640


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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:38 am

    By suggesting that the West was responsible for encouraging India to fight against China, Russia in essence blamed India for the flare up.

    No. By pointing out that the west was RESPONSIBLE, Russia in essence blamed the west for the flare up... while suggesting India is perhaps a bit naive and too trusting of the west and a bit easily led.

    It is OK... that is what the west does... it lies and makes all sorts of promises to try to get what it wants, but in this case what it wants will be very very bad for India.

    While it is indeed true that the US is trying to start a war between India & China, last year it was China that invaded India and not the other way round.

    I would focus on the first bit.

    If countries invading the territories is so bad then look at who you are getting into bed with....

    As far as supply of arms and ammo to India are concerned the only contracts that Russia is fulfilling right now are those that were signed a few years ago. Imports of arms, ammo as a result of ongoing hostilities with China is not taking place.

    Wasn't there an emergency purchase of planes and missiles and ammo made... taking advantage of cutting through all the normal red tape of needing competitions etc because of the emergency status of the orders?

    The incident with the US ship in Indian waters just shows you the tale of the scorpion and the frog holds true.

    For those not familiar, a frog is in a river and sees a scorpion walking up and down the bank on one side so he goes over and asks what he is doing. The scorpion says he needs to get to the other side. The frog said he could carry him over on his back but he wouldn't because the scorpion might get scared and sting him, but the scorpion said he really needs to get to the other side of the river and that if he stung the frog on the way across he would drown too.

    The frog thought about this and agreed to help. Half way across the river the scorpion stung the frog. The frog said why did you do that, now we are both going to die. And the scorpion said, I am a scorpion, it is what I am.

    The US breaking Indian rules and bragging to the world is just what America does... just like taking potential rivals and getting them to fight and destroy each other so they stop being rivals to the US and can be ransacked and plundered... resources sold cheap to US companies to pay for all the weapons and ammo they are going to need...

    I mean India is going to need a whole new navy to take on China.... that is going to be really expensive... but maybe Indian engineers can get EMALS working for America...

    If they did they wouldn't broadcast that to the world... their new CAT systems on their new ships would just start suddenly working... gotta love American knowhow...
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    Post  IPCR_quad Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:11 am

    India ups US-India ties with MH-60 Romeo helicopter buy

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    Post  George1 Sun May 02, 2021 11:46 am

    Notice of upcoming sale of six more P-8I patrol aircraft to India

    On April 30, 2021, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) of the United States sent a notice to the United States Congress of the planned upcoming sale to India at the request of the Indian government through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) American program of intergovernmental foreign military sales of six more base patrols. Boeing P-8I Neptune (Poseidon) aircraft with a total estimated cost of $ 2.42 billion. Armament is not included in the delivery. This shipment has been approved by the US Department of State.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4301278.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:46 am

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:46 pm

    This is a brilliant move. Bot only does US lose sales,but India is far better building its own drones, it's not as hard as it is designing aircraft. And India could turn to Turkey, Russia etc for help. Another bonus is that they have escaped a rip off deal with USA. The $3 billion deal was for 30 MQ-9B drones( 10 each for airforce, army, navy), yes that's $100 million per drone. Complete rip off.


    India Scraps $3B Deal To Acquire Predator Drones From The US; Will Focus On Indigenous UAVs

    https://eurasiantimes.com/india-scraps-plans-to-acquire-predator-drones-from-the-us/?amp

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    Post  George1 Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:57 pm

    India received the first two American shipborne helicopters MH-60R

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