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    Post  calm on Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:58 pm

    franco wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    calm wrote:And Daraa is definitely going to be captured completely, if sources are correct. That is a place where 'revolution' started.
    It's has been 6 years 50/50 control, just like Aleppo. Now it's time for complete recapture of the city. Israel probably wont do anything, and Jordan have closed the border for wounded and stopped paying the salaries for fighters.
    Only place where Israel might make some problem is area along Golan, that will be left for end.

    That said, SAA should be on one Tabqa-Shaer-Palmyra- around Tanf front in a month or two. Only question is will the Kurds manage to capture Raqqa(IS retreat) or will it become meat grinder like Mosul in next two months.

    Daraa has 31000 militants in such a small area. It will take years to expel them, if the SAA hasn't recaptured smaller pockets like Ghouta and Ar Rastan yet. Its far better to stop the advance of the SDF since they're threatening syrian unity more than  largely discredited jihadists.  Also wherever the SDF goes, so do US bases. the same can't be said for Al nusra and others.

    Find the article with the Russian Military explaining the 4 de-escalation zones. They give their estimates of the rebels active in all 4 zones.

    Yes and they said 15k

    8:17 up to 15k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cF-gIL8yzk&feature=youtu.be
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:01 pm

    calm wrote:
    franco wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    calm wrote:And Daraa is definitely going to be captured completely, if sources are correct. That is a place where 'revolution' started.
    It's has been 6 years 50/50 control, just like Aleppo. Now it's time for complete recapture of the city. Israel probably wont do anything, and Jordan have closed the border for wounded and stopped paying the salaries for fighters.
    Only place where Israel might make some problem is area along Golan, that will be left for end.

    That said, SAA should be on one Tabqa-Shaer-Palmyra- around Tanf front in a month or two. Only question is will the Kurds manage to capture Raqqa(IS retreat) or will it become meat grinder like Mosul in next two months.

    Daraa has 31000 militants in such a small area. It will take years to expel them, if the SAA hasn't recaptured smaller pockets like Ghouta and Ar Rastan yet. Its far better to stop the advance of the SDF since they're threatening syrian unity more than  largely discredited jihadists.  Also wherever the SDF goes, so do US bases. the same can't be said for Al nusra and others.

    Find the article with the Russian Military explaining the 4 de-escalation zones. They give their estimates of the rebels active in all 4 zones.

    Yes and they said 15k

    8:17 up to 15k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cF-gIL8yzk&feature=youtu.be

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    Post  calm on Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:09 pm

    full report, i have posted this already last month


    Numbers of rebels acc to RuMoD

    41.500

    14.500 - Idlib, Hama, Aleppo, Latakia
    3000 - Rastan
    9000 - Ghouta
    15.000 South Front


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    Post  franco on Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:20 pm

    par far wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    calm wrote:And Daraa is definitely going to be captured completely, if sources are correct. That is a place where 'revolution' started.
    It's has been 6 years 50/50 control, just like Aleppo. Now it's time for complete recapture of the city. Israel probably wont do anything, and Jordan have closed the border for wounded and stopped paying the salaries for fighters.
    Only place where Israel might make some problem is area along Golan, that will be left for end.

    That said, SAA should be on one Tabqa-Shaer-Palmyra- around Tanf front in a month or two. Only question is will the Kurds manage to capture Raqqa(IS retreat) or will it become meat grinder like Mosul in next two months.

    Daraa has 31000 militants in such a small area. It will take years to expel them, if the SAA hasn't recaptured smaller pockets like Ghouta and Ar Rastan yet. Its far better to stop the advance of the SDF since they're threatening syrian unity more than  largely discredited jihadists.  Also wherever the SDF goes, so do US bases. the same can't be said for Al nusra and others.


    The highlighted part is very true and this is where the SAA should focus a little bit more, you can just see by the actions of this group and see what they are doing.




    The SAA is over stretched now, doesn't need to take on the Kurds right now. That time will come.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:27 pm

    One reason the US doesn't want the SAA getting too close. This was apparently built about 6 months ago about 18km west from Al-Tanf in Jordan as a FSA training base.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:28 pm

    Syrian Army Advance Helps Secure Aleppo Road

    By REUTERS

    JUNE 3, 2017, 7:15 A.M. E.D.T.

    BEIRUT — The Syrian army said on Saturday it had seized mountainous territory from Islamic State to the east of the road linking Damascus to Aleppo, helping to secure a critical lifeline for the government that has often come under IS attack.

    The army also said it had seized 22 villages and farms from IS near Maskaneh, the last major IS-held town in Aleppo province. The capture of Maskaneh will bring Russian-backed government forces to the border of Raqqa province, much of which is held by U.S.-backed groups that are also fighting IS.

    Government forces supported by Iranian-backed militias and the Russian army have stepped up attacks on Islamic State on several fronts in recent weeks as a "de-escalation" deal brokered by Russia and Turkey has reduced fighting in western Syria.

    The army said it had captured the northeastern and central portions of a mountain range to the east of the Khanaser-Ithriya road. "It certainly widens the circle of security around the Damascus-Aleppo road," a military source told Reuters.

    The Khanaser-Ithriya road is the only government-controlled route linking Aleppo to other government-held cities of western Syria. Sections of the main highway to Aleppo, which runs through western Syria, remain in rebel hands.

    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/06/03/world/europe/03reuters-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0


    Syrian Army eliminates 1,200 ISIS militants in Aleppo province over week


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    The Syrian army has wiped out 1,200 ISIS militants and liberated over 20 settlements in the eastern part of the Aleppo province since May 29, a Syrian military source revealed on Saturday.

    The source added that the government troops managed to seize control over part of the strategically important area of Al-Tawahin, situated in the Syrian Coastal Mountain Range to the east of the highway leading to the city of Aleppo.

    “Since May 29, the Syrian army liberated 22 villages in the eastern part of Aleppo province, eliminated 1,200 militants and destroyed more than 100 units of equipment of the enemy, 12 strongholds,” the source said.
    In recent months, the Syrian army supported by the Russian Aerospace Forces succeeded in liberating a number of territories in the Aleppo province controlled by militants, including ISIS terrorist group also known as IS, Daesh or ISIL.

    https://special-ops.org/news/war-zone/syrian-army-eliminates-1200-isis-militants-aleppo-province-week/
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    Post  calm on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:49 pm

    here guys, Rebels in Daraa just released a video of battle for Al-Manshiyya district(last 4 months),they manage to capture 70% of district, and now SAA will attack them after all that struggle lol1


    video released by Al-Bunian Al-Marsous op. room for the Al-Manshiyah battle

    start at 8:00

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:53 pm

    Most of that 1200 came from the Tiger forces like I told you a couple of days ago they have killed roughly 1k guys the past week. It amuses me when governments confirm the information I post here~. Being in the country and doing the fighting helps on getting that information.

    Daraa honestly, has no idea why they attacking this. It has no tactical value it's just a symbolic victory, even if they want to secure the border from that area that would cost them additional manpower. It's just a wasteful fight in manpower and equipment, those militants can be dealt with when everything else is over.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:14 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Most of that 1200 came from the Tiger forces like I told you a couple of days ago they have killed roughly 1k guys the past week. It amuses me when governments confirm the information I post here~. Being in the country and doing the fighting helps on getting that information.

    Daraa honestly, has no idea why they attacking this. It has no tactical value it's just a symbolic victory, even if they want to secure the border from that area that would cost them additional manpower. It's just a wasteful fight in manpower and equipment, those militants can be dealt with when everything else is over.

    Just because some photos were posted on twitter, doesn't mean an entire armored or mechanized brigade was deployed there. Most likely they've rotated a few battalions here and there and possibly added some few fresh battalions or a regiment in-theater. Ergo not that of a great investment from SAA's part. Remember Aleppo and Homs are only rebel-free for a very few months, insurgents got trashed in Hama, Damascus has only the Ghouta pocket to worry (and that is in Civil War of its own) and ISIS is no longer a threat to neither Palmyra nor the important Aleppo-Ithiriya route. Those factors alone allow for more than one, proper, brigade-sized formation to deploy as the SAA command pleases (with Uncle Vlad's approval of course).

    I bet that they've invested something on the lines of a battalion or two, yet they advertise it all as if an entire brigade is on its way (or just arrived). Typical social media hype overdrive.

    Concerning militants, if it took the 4 full months for such little progress in Daraa, with puppet master safe havens merely 0.5 km away. Then Assad has very little to worry there.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:34 pm

    No Assad sent a decent amount of manpower more than was reported. I am in syria, I don't go by Pictures from social media.

    I am not talking about the other pockets they still have high concentrations of troops around areas. Assad doesn't have many men to spare, The commander of the tiger forces wanted more men for his Maskan offensive once ISIS showed they will not back down.

    He was denied and forced to fight when his forces was highly outnumbered, Yes he won so far but that is because the man is a fantastic commander.

    Heck right now They are having issues pushing ISIS of the Eastern Hama front because the army is just being pushed numbers wise.

    They are grabbing kids right now like 20-year-olds forcing them to conscription because it's that bad for them.

    I never said Daraa will be hard but it will take time and that is manpower that could be better spared in others more important tactical fronts.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:41 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:No Assad sent a decent amount of manpower more than was reported. I am in syria, I don't go by Pictures from social media

    Assad did not send an extra armored brigade to Daraa (as some claim), not even a fully-fledged armored regiment would be my guess. It's some few battalions and lots of nice pics on twitter.

    You are outside Raqqa and have nothing to do with SAA, as far as you let us know.
    So you go by with being as far away from the theater in the south as anyone.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:They are grabbing kids right now like 20-year-olds forcing them to conscription because it's that bad for them.

    20 year olds are not kids by any standard. It's a country at war with multiple fronts and anyone above 18 years of age is conscripted, as any other country would do. Lets not use that kind of emotional lingo here. "dey turk err kids" lol1
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:15 pm

    Pro-Jihadi accounts reports:

    Qalaat Al Mudiq‏ @QalaatAlMudiq  11m11 minutes ago
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    Qalaat Al Mudiq Retweeted John Arterbury
    On second day of its #DeirEzzor offensive, #ISIS made a breakthrough on 137th Brigade front. Intense clashes ongoing.

    Lets hope IS fails there again, contrary to the beardie rumors.
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    Post  franco on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:33 pm

    Progress thumbsup

    http://syriancivilwarmap.com/war-statistics/
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:53 pm


    Apply salt very generously but if true it will be nice news:


    SAA captures 1400 km sq in the syrian desert east of palmyra

    https://www.facebook.com/dimashq.now/posts/1267546506704292




    Tigers captured Maskanah - Hiteen and Radah

    https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/871096263898484737


    Very unconfirmed so like I said, salt....
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    Post  calm on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:25 pm

    This is true.

    Govt forces captured Maskaneh town and its surroundings from ISIS
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    About Palmyra, that info is posted on Syria MoD site, but no more info.
    ANNA news reported that some hills north of Mustadira are captured, but IS repelled attack on Arak.

    here, report from Oleg Blohin - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011573928590&ref=br_rs
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    Post  franco on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:55 pm

    A couple of kilometers to the Raqqa province border and about 20 k's to meet up with the SDF. That will tell another story.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:02 am

    Ivan Sidorenko‏ @IvanSidorenko1 8m8 minutes ago
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    #Syria #Homs #EasternHoms #IRGC Field Commander says #SAA & Allied Forces Took control of 1400 Square KM east of #Palmyra in last 24 hours.

    Big news if true.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:07 am

    KiloGolf wrote:Pro-Jihadi accounts reports:

    Qalaat Al Mudiq‏ @QalaatAlMudiq  11m11 minutes ago
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    Qalaat Al Mudiq Retweeted John Arterbury
    On second day of its #DeirEzzor offensive, #ISIS made a breakthrough on 137th Brigade front. Intense clashes ongoing.

    Lets hope IS fails there again, contrary to the beardie rumors.


    ISIS has breached some areas of SAA forces. Reports are murky that the SAA managed to recapture some of it, it's really back and fourth right now every hour seems to be something hard to say whats happening at Deir right now.

    Welp now you guys will see Russia's and Assad's resolve on Syria, the kurds are already talking about making plans if Deir falls.

    Syria's future is at state with this fight.

    Edit; Russian are bombing ISIS at Deir-azzor like no tomorrow.

    I've seen more SU's drop bombs then I am used to seeing, this has to be the most airstrikes I've seen them make in a single day since I got here.
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    Post  calm on Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:56 am

    SAA trolling US, they have crossed the "red line" today lol1



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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:38 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:.......

    Edit; Russian are bombing ISIS at Deir-azzor like no tomorrow.

    I've seen more SU's drop bombs then I am used to seeing, this has to be the most airstrikes I've seen them make in a single day since I got here.

    Yeah, VKS has a long track record of going medieval on ISIS every time they push too hard in DeZ

    I am sure that Tu-22s in Mozdok are already being fueled and loaded and if this doesn't clear out soon there will be even bigger firework show down there real soon

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    Post  eehnie on Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:01 am

    franco wrote:A couple of kilometers to the Raqqa province border and about 20 k's to meet up with the SDF. That will tell another story.

    It was the same trolling about the Kurds when they contacted in the area of Manjib. In fact now also are in contact. The SDF is just in the other side of the river.

    And no problem.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:22 am

    I know this is in Iraq but the PMU slowly reaching the IS-held side of the Syrian border is big news.

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    IS stronghold Ba'aj has been fully liberated by PMU

    and this is what I call progress:

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    Liberated area in east of Aleppo,phase2
    In phase2 of #SAA operation in East of #Aleppo from 17january2017 till 3june2017 ~2333km2 liberated
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:29 am

    eehnie wrote:
    franco wrote:A couple of kilometers to the Raqqa province border and about 20 k's to meet up with the SDF. That will tell another story.

    It was the same trolling about the Kurds when they contacted in the area of Manjib. In fact now also are in contact. The SDF is just in the other side of the river.

    And no problem.
    The SDF are on the west side of the river in Tabqa controlling quite a large and increasing area including the SyAF airbase.

    Whilst your comment may be correct in the short term as the SAA has bigger problems than stirring a conflict with the SDF, I am not sure I would describe that as "no problem" in a month or two.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:44 am

    JohninMK wrote:The SDF are on the west side of the river in Tabqa controlling quite a large and increasing area including the SyAF airbase.

    Whilst your comment may be correct in the short term as the SAA has bigger problems than stirring a conflict with the SDF, I am not sure I would describe that as "no problem" in a month or two.

    The SDF is an easier force to carpet bomb to submission and push out of places e.g. Tabqa than IS. Their foot soldier qualities are not what their propaganda machine has lead us to believe. SAA needs to focus on pushing back IS away from Salamiya, Khanaseer and push on further to Arak and Sukhna. IS is still in areas that are choking SAA so to speak.

    The SDF hold in places they have no business being can be adjusted after both Deir Ezzor is reached and PMU link-up with SAA.


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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:47 am

    More stay away from al-Tanf leaflets

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    Then we get these two tweets. Any comment from our in country commentator?



    Faisal The VI‏ @Faisal_TheVI 10h10 hours ago
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    Alakhbar reported an agreement bw US & Rus that Tanaf is out of reach of SAA and is to be contrled by US et al with 70km radius 'safe-zone'


    Faisal The VI‏ @Faisal_TheVI 10h10 hours ago
    Replying to @IvanSidorenko1

    he says they are at Shalighm crossroad (67 from Tanaf, 80km SE Zaza crossroad. Resonates the 70km US line.

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