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    Russian Civil Aviation: News #2

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:22 am


    Russia ends use of airplane An-148

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3128922.html

    Hopefully this also applies to military and government.

    One shitty relic of the past down, several more to go. Time to get some extra SSJ-100 orders. thumbsup
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:28 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia ends use of airplane An-148

    Putin right after elections lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  kvs Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia ends use of airplane An-148

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3128922.html

    Hopefully this also applies to military and government.

    One shitty relic of the past down, several more to go. Time to get some extra SSJ-100 orders. thumbsup

    Indeed, time to flush the "brotherhood of the peoples" delusion down the toilet once and for all. Ukrs consider cooperation with
    Russians a situation where Ukrs screw over the Russians and clean out their wallet. I would not trust a single Ukr product whatsoever.
    The raison d'etre of the typical Ukr "biznizman" is to engage in corruption and thievery. Import substitution of Ukrainian engines and
    other components is an essential task that is thankfully being completed quickly.

    The 2014 crisis has very complex roots. One of them is the resentment by Ukrs that Russia got its sh*t together under Putin.
    I see my Ukr relatives projecting hate fantasy onto Russia and pathetically trying to make Ukraine like its is better off and it makes
    me sick.
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    Post  kvs Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:16 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia ends use of airplane An-148

    Putin right after elections lol1 lol1 lol1

    I hope it is in fact a new hard line. No more coddling of NATO and fellow traveler haters. Russia needs to sort out
    the natural gas situation with EU-rope. A collection of whinging ingrates who expect Russia to ship gas through Banderastan
    and get blackmailed for both transit fees and outright gas siphoning (as has been the case since the 1990s). The bitching
    about Gazprom and Putin using some gas weapon is getting very tiresome. These clowns need to be taught a lesson.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:42 am

    kvs wrote:

    I hope it is in fact a new hard line.   No more coddling of NATO and fellow traveler haters.   Russia needs to sort out
    the natural gas situation with EU-rope.   A collection of whinging ingrates who expect Russia to ship gas through Banderastan
    and get blackmailed for both transit fees and outright gas siphoning (as has been the case since the 1990s).   The bitching
    about Gazprom and Putin using some gas weapon is getting very tiresome.   These clowns need to be taught a lesson.

    "Politics is art of possible". With 404 I think he waited for the right moment and decision was taken long time ago. Look for correlation between 1st March speech and Gazprom stopping the contract. But there is enormous pressure for Germans (from both USA && Sorosz like"internationalists" to keep banderlogs alive. Of course on Russia expense) and Russia also needs money for its economy.

    Asia is one of choices but pmce they see Russia has less choices they will press for pries down. I hope Russia manages to get to Germany despite US pressure.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:04 am

    I agree that it is time to start pruning the Russian skies of obsolete Soviet aircraft especially with An in their title, but I would not include the new An-2 in this...

    The An-2 entered service in about 1947 and has been widely used in some very backwater places ever since.

    Its very simple design and strong construction and the enormous lift it gets from those two big wings means it can fly to places few other aircraft can get to and operate pretty much with little or no support on the ground.

    People look at it and are not impressed because it has two wings and a propeller like a WWI biplane, but only in the same way you could look at an Armata tank and think that would not be very fast around a race track... I would race Jeremy Clarkson around any open track where you never have any terrain or features to hide behind... he can drive any vehicle he likes and I will take the T-15 with the stabilised 30mm cannon and 7.62mm coaxial MG...

    Regarding the new upgraded AN-2 there was nothing wrong with the design and there currently isn't anything wrong with the design... but the new composite upgrade improves performance, probably makes it stronger with less drag, and will likely make it even cheaper to operate and further improve its ability to fly into tricky places... I personally would love a version with float/skis for landing on water and/or ice/snow...

    They are developing a range of new engines at the moment but it would probably be hard to justify producing a full range of all the types they might want until they know there is a market.

    With the An-2 they have had several attempts to replace it with more modern aircraft and each has failed miserably... it is not that the improved aircraft are junk, but the An-2 is a very capable and simple easy to operate aircraft... and for that reason it might never be completely replaced... it is like having a go anywhere vehicle like a land rover or something... it might not be 100% reliable all the time but it is easy enough to fix with simple tools to get it going again relatively cheaply. A new replacement might cost 20 times what an old second hand land rover would cost, plus the new parts might be expensive... it might be hard to get new panels and components, and the new electronics can't be fixed in the field by guys who work with tractors and not computers...

    I hope they have done their home work and perhaps designed the electronics so that fault finding can be done by the owner with a basic laptop and software supplied by the manufacturer and modules can be replaced if faulty or broken...

    We shall see.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am

    GarryB wrote:I agree that it is time to start pruning the Russian skies of obsolete Soviet aircraft especially with An in their title, but I would not include the new An-2 in this..............

    There is no An-2 anymore, new aircraft is called TVS2-DTS  russia

    (Needs a nickname though...)



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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:12 am

    There is no An-2 anymore, new aircraft is called TVS2-DTS

    The TVS2-DTS is by definition the new An-2... that there are likely thousands still in use around Russia... eventually they will need replacement... if they develop all Russian parts for it perhaps they could subsidise purchases of the new models to make it less painful to upgrade...
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:58 pm


    Second MS-21 assembled

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/

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    Post  Austin Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:30 am

    85 billion bet on the wing

    A new version of the Superjet is needed by the military, security forces and S7

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3584890

    As Kommersant learned, President Vladimir Putin supported the idea of ​​the Ministry of Industry and Trade to develop a new version of the SSJ100, agreeing with the allocation of about 85 billion rubles to the project. The new aircraft assumes fewer seats and maximum rejection of imported components, including a possible replacement of the engine. Ten boards are ready to take a special flight detachment (SLO) "Russia", carrying out transportation of the first persons of the state, and the first civil order for 75 aircraft can accommodate S7. The aircraft is also interesting to the Ministry of Defense, which needs replacing the outdated Tu-134 fleet. The new project finally closes the project of Tu-334, which was promoted by the authorities of Tatarstan.

    The fact that Vladimir Putin agreed to allocate 85 billion rubles. to the new version of the SSJ100, sources in the aviation industry told Kommersant and confirmed the interlocutors in the apparatus of the government and presidential administration. According to them, the president imposed a positive resolution on the letter MD-12748/18, sent on March 1 by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Industry and chairman of the board of directors of the United Aircraft Corporation Denis Manturov. Get a comment in the Kremlin failed, in the Ministry of Industry and in the office of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the aviation industry, they refused to discuss the project.

    As the two top managers of aviation enterprises told, the idea of ​​creating a reduced SSJ100 appeared in the context of disputes over the fate of the Tu-334 project, which was developed from the late 1980s, but did not reach serial production. According to "Kommersant", initially the willingness to purchase Tu-334 was expressed by the "Russia" SLA. It was believed there would be no technical problems for the Kazan aircraft plant (KAZ): the Tu-334 fuselage has a similar cross-section with other Tupolev aircraft, the cabins are interfaced, and with the Tu-204 it is unified by accessories (by about 60%). The project was also supported by the authorities of Tatarstan, who "are extremely anxious" to load capacities of their enterprises, one of the interlocutors of Kommersant says.

    It was even attempted to show Vladimir Putin, who visited KAZ on January 25, the last of the canned boards. But the presidential protocol decided that he would not be pleased with what he saw, and paved the route to bypass this point. "The local people were extremely annoyed, although they did not show that it was right," Kommersant's senior interlocutor in the Kremlin said: the next day, KAZ received the largest order for ten Tu-160M2 strategic bombers as a whole for 160 billion rubles. and "asking the president for something else was just not right."

    In addition, the Tu-334 has a "huge minus", adds a source of "b" in the aircraft industry, the engines D-436 Ukrainian "Motor Sich". They could be replaced only with equipment from the US or Canada (which is almost impossible under sanctions, and the Russian special services opposed) or create a Russian equivalent for tens of billions of rubles. Taking into account the limited demand for aircraft, it is impossible to recoup such a project, Kommersant's source underlines. In addition, he clarifies, the government did not want to create a direct competitor to the SSJ100. The Tu-334 is focused on satisfying the requests of security agencies and the SLO, therefore "no return of investments is visible", agrees the executive director of the "Airport" Oleg Panteleyev. In addition, the White House considered it "strange" to promote even proven, but old Tupolev achievements in the background of the draft of the new MS-21.

    Yury Slyusar, President of the United Aircraft Corporation, in an interview with Kommersant on July 18, 2017Yury Slyusar, President of the United Aircraft Corporation, in an interview with Kommersant on July 18, 2017
    According to SSJ 100, we need to reach the production level of 30-40 aircraft a year. But we will not scale this project to large volumes

    At the same time, there is a need to update the Yak-40 and Tu-134 fleets near the SLO (currently two such vehicles are used) and the military (36 obsolete Tu-134A and Tu-134A-3). Moreover, neither the SLO nor the Defense Ministry can buy the SSJ100 in the standard configuration due to a large number of imported components and difficulties with after-sales service.

    Therefore, the aircraft manufacturers proposed another option: to reduce the SSJ100 to 75 seats, to replace the foreign products as much as possible (in the Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (GSS) that produce the aircraft, they say that the share of Russian components "will increase many-fold"), and also make changes to the wing , a fuselage, an onboard complex of avionics.

    There is also the question of the aircraft's remotorization: according to Kommersant's information, instead of the SaM146 engine produced by the Russian "ODK-Saturn" and the French Safran Aircraft Engines, it may be a new PD-10 (9 tons thrust). At first Sam146 will be put on these planes, one of the interlocutors of Kommersant explains, but provided that Russian representatives will track the process of assembling the hot part of the engine in France. The JCC was assured that they have "a reserve both for the creation of a new power plant and for the modernization of the existing one."

    According to Kommersant's information, SL is ready to order ten reduced SSJ100 (six in the "salon" version and four with a special onboard communication center) for 35 billion rubles. The possibility of ordering about 30 cars is considered by the Defense Ministry. The GCC also counts on private orders: according to company estimates, the need of the Russian market in the SSJ100 for 75 seats with a range of 1.5-2.5 thousand km can reach 200-300 aircraft, the foreign one - 3 thousand units. The names of potential customers were not disclosed there, but two sources of Kommersant on the air market say that the negotiations on 75 planes are conducted by the co-owner of S7 Vladislav Filev. In S7, Kommersant confirmed interest in the new SSJ100, saying that the airline is "actively working on a technical assignment". The possible volume of the order there is not specified. Now the S7 is developing a program of interregional flights on Embraer 170 for 78 seats.

    The GSS specified that the new version of the SSJ100 could enter the market at the end of 2022 - early 2023, but a number of Kommersant sources in the aviation industry consider the timing too optimistic. In their estimation, the development of documentation and the construction of several prototypes will take at least eight years.

    What prospects for the operation of Sea Launch depicted Vladislav Filev
    What prospects for the operation of Sea Launch depicted Vladislav Filev
    The project has a big stake: it should create a new segment of the market and expand the range of GSS aircraft, but a powerful initial order for about 100 planes is needed, the source of Kommersant in the government apparatus says, adding that "if S7 helps, there will not be any futures" .

    One of the directions of "return" for the group can be projects in the space sphere. Vladislav Filev bought for $ 167 million from Energia corporation the Sea Launch launching platform in the Pacific Ocean, which uses Ukrainian Zenit rockets with the Russian RD-171 engine. In the conditions of a severe conflict between Moscow and Kiev, it is impossible to count on the continuation of production cooperation. But Mr. Fillev was allowed to organize a scheme: as a private person, he signed a contract for 12 "Zenit", the final assembly of which with the consent of the Government of the Russian Federation will be made using Russian components in the US. Thus, the businessman will be able to start active operation of Sea Launch within the next two years, fulfilling the promise given back in 2016: "In aviation I can not be the first, there is already Aeroflot, but in space I will."
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:09 pm


    Polarnaya Avialiniya from Magadan started testing TVS2-DTS

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/105483/

    And in April it is expected to sign a contract for the supply of 200 aircraft of this type in the period from 2021 to 2025 years. This was reported by the airline's website.....

    The Little Engine That Could   Cool

    If this pans out that's 200 airplanes on one order alone, not too shabby for ''7 decades old'' oversized crop duster
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:03 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    If this pans out that's 200 airplanes on one order alone, not too shabby for ''7 decades old'' oversized crop duster

    Which actually can still do crop dusting Smile



    The Russian long-haul airliner is preparing for rebranding
    As expected, the IL-96-400M will be called Il-496

    The future Russian wide-body long-haul passenger liner Il-96-400M is expected to be rebranded. He will receive a new designation - Il-496. According to Izvestia, the principal decision has already been made, but in official documents this name will begin to appear from next year. The first prototype will be built before the end of the same 2019. According to experts, the market for such aircraft in Russia is small. But the IL-96-400 project is important from the point of view of development of competences in aircraft construction.

    As Izvestia was told by three sources in the aviation industry that are familiar with the situation, the wide-body long-haul liner created in PJSC IL will receive a new designation Il-496. This decision has already been approved in principle at the governmental level.

    - The need for rebranding is connected with the fact that the aircraft created is not just a modification of the IL-96, but its deep modernization. In fact, we are talking about a new airplane, "one of the interlocutors explained.

    In the PJSC "Il", the company-developer of the aircraft, Izvestia did not comment on plans for rebranding. At the same time, they noted that they expect to prepare all the technical documentation for the construction of the first prototype IL-96-400M before the end of this year.

    "The features of the projected aircraft will be the installation of modern domestic flight control and navigation equipment, as well as a modern passenger cabin that will provide comfortable conditions for passengers," the press service of Ilyushin said. - The presentation of the IL-96-400M is scheduled for the end of 2019.

    The domestic navigation equipment in this case includes the inertial system (responsible for determining the position of the aircraft in space), the defendants (automatically transmit data to ground-based radar stations), navigation and landing systems. At the first stage in 2018-2019 such systems are planned to equip all IL-96-300 aircraft.

    The program for creating the IL-96-400M involves the production of one prototype and six production aircraft. Construction of the first prototype at the aircraft plant in Voronezh is scheduled for the end of 2019, the first production aircraft for 2020. In the same year it is planned to complete the certification tests of the liner.

    In the line of domestic aircraft, it will become a transitional product on the way to an ambitious Russian-Chinese aircraft of a new generation
    The press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade told Izvestia that the implementation of the IL-96-400M project is in accordance with the approved schedule. The work is funded within the limits of the federal budget.

    According to Alexei Sinitsky, the editor-in-chief of the Air Transport Review, the niche of wide-body long-haul aircraft in Russia is small - only a little more than 80 cars of this class are operated. More than 60% of them are in the Aeroflot group of companies, several cars are owned by Utair, the rest - from tourist carriers. These liners can be used in the Far East of Russia or on international tourist routes. In special versions the aircraft may be of interest to specialized state customers.

    - IL-96-400 in its current form on the economic characteristics and equipment remains at the level of the previous generation aircraft. But it is not much cheaper than new modern foreign-made airliners. By the cost of ownership throughout the life cycle, the loss is very large, - said Alexei Sinitsky.

    Nevertheless, the IL-96-400M project should help the domestic aviation industry retain its competencies and load production capacities. In the long term, the civilian line of aircraft should be replenished with a wide-body liner of a new generation, to the creation of which Russia started together with Chinese partners - corporation COMAC.

    IL-96-400M is created as an extended modification of the passenger Il-96-300. Takeoff weight of the new liner will be 270 tons. The aircraft will be able to take on board up to 400 passengers. In this car will be used avionics, materials and components of Russian production. As previously reported by Izvestia, the total planned budget of the program for the creation of the liner is 53.4 billion rubles.



    https://iz.ru/722517/evgenii-deviatiarov-aleksandr-kruglov/rossiiskii-dalnemagistralnyi-avialainer-gotovitsia-k-rebrendingu


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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:16 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    If this pans out that's 200 airplanes on one order alone, not too shabby for ''7 decades old'' oversized crop duster

    Which actually can still do crop dusting Smile

    And carry more pesticide as well... Cool

    Also bonus, cockpit photo of airplane in question:
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:32 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    And carry more pesticide as well... Cool

    Also bonus, cockpit photo of airplane in question:

    Let me guess - they are heading to Salisbury with pesticides  lol1 lol1 lol1

    I am sure banderlogs wake up soon suing (doesn't matter where) Russians for "stealing" ancient Ukrainian wunderwaffe clown clown clown that's why their economy is in shitty state.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:46 am

    Wow... that is rather modern looking...

    They changed the name from An-2 so the Ukraine cannot claim a share in the spoils...

    I still think they need another engine and prop... Russian ones...

    Or they need to buy the rights to manufacture them locally... Licence production is OK too.

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    Post  Austin Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:06 am

    Interview with Irkut Corp on SSJ- 75 , A bit dissapointing as they plan to use the SAM-146 engine and not PD-9

    https://vpk.name/news/210878_rubcov_novyii_superjet_budet_bolee_rossiiskii_no_dlya_globalnogo_ryinka.html

    - Will the SaM-146 engine be installed on the new 75-seat aircraft?

    - At this stage we consider as the main engine to use the SaM-146 assembled in Rybinsk, it will be offered as the main engine in the executions required by state customers. For commercial customers, if everything is in order, we will have the opportunity to make a deep upgrade of this engine. Enginesmen are now preparing a proposal for our request. We do not exclude that it will be a motor with a different fan, with a greater two-circuit, but it will appear a little later. Therefore, the first power plant will be one that is now produced serially, with all those improved characteristics that we will achieve at the time of delivery.

    As for other basic elements, the auxiliary power unit, wheels, brakes, chassis will also be of Russian manufacture. Therefore, the share of Russian content in the plane will multiply.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:10 am

    This project is the only thing really keeping the SAM Engines alive. If they dropped it, that means a lot of money even on Russia's side is lost.

    But the PD engines line shows a lot of promise and something that requires the investments IMO. But whatever. This is what happens when you got too many conflicting projects happening at same time.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:53 pm


    SSJ-75 will be done long before PD-9 is developed, no point scaring shareholders before time is right
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:26 pm


    Presentation in Yakutsk

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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Presentation in Yakutsk


    Looks like some ethnic minority official bitching about the plane at the end of the video:

    1) the engines are unreliable (even though they were manufactured under the Honeywell brand)

    2) the plane is made out of too much composite material and even so it weighs 50% more than the An-2

    I would like to know how he knows anything about (1). Who gave this clown this talking point? The rest
    of his criticism is just ignorant blather. Does he expect the composite materials not to do their job and
    just fall apart? Why bitch about 50% more weight when this plane has a 5000 km range and 3 ton payload
    which outclasses the An-2 by substantial margin. Clearly this official/observer is clueless. He use the
    An-2 fully loaded weight (with fuel) as a reference. It did not enter his mind that the new plane has
    more weight because it carries more fuel and more useful cargo.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:08 pm

    So every other source says it's lighter, and this guy says it's heavier?

    Hmm...who to believe?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:36 am

    As mentioned, it is heavier because they have increased its MTOW to allow a larger payload and a greater range of operation.

    For An-2:

    Useful load: 2,140 kg
    Loaded weight: 5,440 kg
    Engine: 1,000hp
    Top speed: 258 km/h
    Cruise speed: 190 km/h
    Stall speed: about 50 km/h
    Range: 845 km

    For TVS-2DTS:

    Useful load: 3,500 kg
    Loaded weight: 7,300 kg
    Engine: 1,100hp
    Cruise speed: 350 km/h
    Range: 1,200 km with full payload
    Ferry Range: 4,500km

    The An-2 data is from Wiki, the TVS-2DTS data is from Air International article by Piotr Butowski.

    In that article he also comments:

    the new aircraft is two tonnes heavier than the An-2 yet achieves nearly twice the top speed, carries twice as much payload, over three times longer distances while retaining the An-2’s impressive take-off and landing characteristics.

    Note that last point is critical... many potential replacements have failed because they are too complicated or expensive, or because they could not provide the capabilities to operate in extreme places like the An-2 does.

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    Post  Austin Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:44 am

    First of the two Flying Command Post for MOD on Tu-214 Platform , Tu-214PU-SBUS

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3145203.html

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    Post  Austin Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:58 am

    It is used throughout Siberia because of its short strip performance... the US feared the An-2 in North Korean hands as the first stealth aircraft... on a normal look down radar to avoid the massive reflection of the ground and things on the ground most pulse dopplar radars remove slow moving things from the display... if it displayed things moving at 10km/h you would have branches on trees and grass and people jogging... if they displayed things moving 100km/h you would have cars on motorways appearing, so look down radar used to have a speed limit where anything going slower would not be displayed... to be clear the slower targets would be detected, but they would not appear on the display... they would pretty much be removed because they were considered noise.

    The An-2 can be flown safely down to about 60km/h... so in a 50km/h head wind it will have a ground speed of 10km/h.

    This newer aircraft can probably do even better... there is no wire or strut supports that cause a lot of drag on biplanes...

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