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    Post  George1 on Tue May 16, 2017 12:56 pm

    Russia to begin flight tests of new multirole helicopter

    The Ka-62 is an advanced multirole helicopter which is being developed by the Kamov design bureau on the basis of the Ka-60 military helicopter

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    MOSCOW, May 16. /TASS/. The flight tests of the new Kamov Ka-62 medium-class multirole helicopter will begin this year, Director of the Aviation Industry Department at Russia’s Industry and Trade Ministry Sergei Yemelyanov said on Tuesday.

    "This year, we expect it to make its first full-fledged flight. Last year, it performed a hovering test and this year a full-fledged flight and the beginning of flight trials are planned," Yemelyanov said in reply to the relevant question.

    According to him, marketing work is under way to search for prospective buyers.

    The Ka-62 is an advanced multirole helicopter being developed by the Kamov design bureau on the basis of the Ka-60 military helicopter. It has been developed to perform a wide range of operations, including the transportation of passengers, rescue efforts and works in the interests of the oil and gas industry. The helicopter can carry up to 15 people or 2.5 tonnes of cargoes.

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    Post  George1 on Fri May 26, 2017 1:01 am

    Russia’s advanced Ka-62 helicopter performs debut flight

    The flight lasted 15 minutes and showed that all of the helicopter’s necessary adjustments had been successfully completed

    MOSCOW, May 25. /TASS/. The flight model of Russia’s most advanced Kamov Ka-62 helicopter has performed its first trial flight over the site of "Progress" Arsenyev Aviation Company (part of Russian Helicopters Group).

    The flight lasted 15 minutes and showed that all of the helicopter’s necessary adjustments had been successfully completed, the Russian Helicopters press office reported.

    The test pilots of the Ka-62’s main developer (the Kamov Company) assessed the helicopter’s overall performance capacity and checked the operation of its basic power supply systems, onboard equipment and the engine unit.

    "Today’s flight tests have showed that we have successfully completed all the necessary adjustments of the trial model, relying on the results of fulfilling previous points of the program for putting the helicopter into service," Company CEO Alexander Mikheyev said.

    Specifically, the test pilots checked the helicopter’s stability and controllability and the operability of its basic systems and complexes, he added.

    The Ka-62 performed a 15-minute flight around a circle at a speed of 110 km/hr.

    The Ka-62 flight model got off the ground for the first time in April this year to assess its general operability and check the operation of its basic power supply systems and onboard equipment.

    As Mikheyev said at that time, the new helicopter will become a worthy supplement to the civil versions of the world’s renowned and most mass-produced Mi-8/17 chopper, "taking up the most needed niche in the category of the take-off weight of six-seven tonnes."

    The Ka-62 is designated to transport passengers, carry out rescue operations and also works in the oil and gas sector. The helicopter’s high power-to-weight ratio offers a wide range of altitudes for its operation. The Ka-62 can be used in a hot climate and it can perform flights above the sea.


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    The bmpd comment. The first hovering of the first flight prototype of the Ka-62 helicopter (registration RA-00000), built at the PJSC "Arsenyev Aviation Company Progress" named after N.I. Sazykin "were produced in Arsenyev on April 28, 2016. Thus, the program of the Ka-62 helicopter, already already record-breaking in terms of its long life (started as early as the late 1970s as the B-60), continues to move very slowly.

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    Post  Austin on Sun May 28, 2017 12:08 pm

    MS-21. First flight

    https://topwar.ru/116637-ms-21-pervyy-polet.html





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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 28, 2017 3:35 pm


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    Post  marat on Sun May 28, 2017 4:20 pm

    Great Day for Russia and Russian civil aviation Smile.

    I wish best of luck for MS 21 it is beautifull aircraft Smile

    MS 21 welcome
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 28, 2017 7:54 pm





    Man, it's even prettier when light hits the sweet spot  love
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    More: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/irkut-discloses-flight-details-following-mc-21s-mai-437678/
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun May 28, 2017 8:04 pm

    This will definitely be a great fit for Russian airliners flying off of Moscow or St Pete to the Caucasus and central parts of the country or ex-USSR states in Central Asia. Also it will be awesome for routes to/from Europe, Near/Middle East (Cyprus, Egypt, Israel).

    A321/321neo just got competition.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 29, 2017 2:41 pm

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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 30, 2017 6:13 am

    Best view

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:34 am

    As early as now various western media is reassuring itself that the MS-21 is so much worse than its western counterparts simply because it flew 1 hour in its first flight while western planes fly 3-4 hours...

    I'm starting to believe that its not economic factors that prevent russian planes from being bought, its simply retarded prejudice. The "EVEN AEROFLOT BUYS WESTERN THEREFORE RUSSIAN IS CRAP" BS claims are enough to discourage 99% of the world's buyers because antirussian cliches will always count as truth as long as the western media has authority.

    But seriously, Russian airlines are as cancerous to Russia as the CBR, their greedy unpatriotic asses should be put in line.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:54 am

    How much of a disadvantage is the PD-14's lower thrust compared to western engines?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:55 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:As early as now various western media is reassuring itself that the MS-21 is so much worse than its western counterparts simply because it flew 1 hour in its first flight while western planes fly 3-4 hours...

    Designers: We built first large passanger aircraft with composite wings in history, do we take it easy on first flight?

    Journalists: FUCK NO, MUST FLY FOR TEN HOURS AT TOP SPEED BECAUSE FUCK LOGIC AND SAFETY!!!!!



    Usual BS, they are seriously scraping bottom of the barrel, this story was lame as fuck....
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:37 am

    Ladys and gentlemen the Russia hate has begun. For example
    Random American smartass wrote:Russia AND China BOTH have had limited experience doing things the 'Capitalist's' way, they have not yet learned that the lowest price is NOT always the best value. Is there ANY price you can put on your life? I'd climb on a CSeries in a heartbeat without hesitation, before any Russian A/C rushed to market.

    Some dipshit wrote:The plane is ugly. Airlines don't want a ugly plane.
    On a side note, why do we need this? We will have the A320neo family, Boeing has the 737max, and Embraer is reworking their E-jet family. Why should we need this?

    retard wrote:okay no offense to russian people but i honestly dont like russian made aircraft idk they just look a little cheap or dodgy compared to boeing airbus bombardier and embraer sorry but in my opinion this aircraft doesnt have the looks and looks untrustworthy

    this is from an aviation forum.

    The tiers of hatred of Russian aircraft:

    Appeal to underperformance:Look at the outdated Russian junk! It performs so much worse than western technological marvels.

    Once disproven,

    Claims of unreliability: Look at these dumb Russian planes always falling out of the sky! I won't risk my life on a Russian plane

    Once disproven,

    Gas Guzzling claim: No sane airline would waste fuel on Russian shit! We're in the 21st century!

    Once disproven,

    No domestic buyers claim: Look! Not even Russian airlines want Russian junk!

    Once disproven,

    No private airline buyers claim: Haha Only putin will fly on Russian crap that nobody wants! So much for Russian pride!

    Once disproven,

    No international buyers claim: No one outside of Russia wants Russian crap. Russia doesn't produce anything!

    Once disproven,

    No international buyers "that matter" claim: Haha the free world will always choose boeing and Airbus. They know what's a quality plane and will avoid anything Russian if they can afford western ubertech!

    Once disproven,

    Doubts upon production ability: Haha Russian factories are too underdeveloped/small/stupid to produce enough aircraft that Airbus can make in a week!

    Once disproven,

    Doubts upon maintenance network: Russia is too poor to provide spare parts supply without delay and affordably therefore Russian planes are always the worst option!

    Once disproven,

    Claims to being unproven: I'll play it safe and ride on a 20 YO 737 rather than fall out of the sky on Russian junk!

    Once disproven,

    Plain old ad hominem attacks and lies: Russian aircraft are junk!! Russia copies airbus! Look how ugly and unreliable russian aircraft "look"






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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:51 am

    How angry and upset they all seem at competition... but then western democracies have never understood fair competition... just look at its history.

    I live in New Zealand so the only Bananas I could buy in the shops here were from countries friendly to the British commonwealth. Only recently have I seen Bananas in our shops from central and south America...

    The west claims it but it really knows nothing about fair competition...

    And that is their problem.

    The assholes you are quoting are westerners who make up a very small percentage of the worlds population.

    The majority of the worlds population are Chinese and Indian or Indonesian for that matter.

    Let them pretend. It wont matter what Russia makes... western airlines wont touch Soviet or Russian aircraft... never have and wont start now... that is OK because the worlds market is bigger than those pricks and when their competition makes more money because their new Russian planes are more efficient then they can make up some excuses... wont listen to them then either.

    Don't take it so personally... if they want to stick to their propaganda then let them live life with their heads in the sand...
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:17 pm

    They don't doubt Russia's ability to make them, just their ability to sell them.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-can-russia-make-the-mc-21-a-sales-success-437836/
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:47 pm

    JohninMK wrote:They don't doubt Russia's ability to make them, just their ability to sell them.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-can-russia-make-the-mc-21-a-sales-success-437836/

    First it's making them, now it's selling them, what's next, Maintaining them and after that it probly about upgrading them.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:00 pm

    The amount of trash talking crap I've read about MS-21 on aviation social media is unbelievable. The plane is on to a winner, it's a beauty, the engines are awesome and the whole design is a huge step forward from A321 or Boeing 757 (the latter long discontinued production).

    These people are not aviation fans they are politically brainwashed drama queens

    One sexy ass plane that, with design attributes (e.g. tall landing gear) that can allow for even larger engines to be installed in future (737's problem). Ergo you got proper room for growth as the design can take it.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:21 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:The amount of trash talking crap I've read about MS-21 on aviation social media is unbelievable. The plane is on to a winner, it's a beauty, the engines are awesome and the whole design is a huge step forward from A321 or Boeing 757 (the latter long discontinued production).

    These people are not aviation fans they are politically brainwashed drama queens

    One sexy ass plane that, with design attributes (e.g. tall landing gear) that can allow for even larger engines to be installed in future (737's problem). Ergo you got proper room for growth as the design can take it.


    The trash talking indicates deep seated insecurity and de facto acknowledgement of the market threat posed by the MS-21.
    Given the obvious characteristics of the MS-21 (including its wider interior) if it was not a serious competitor all these gerbils
    would not be squeaking so much.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:38 pm

    kvs wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:The amount of trash talking crap I've read about MS-21 on aviation social media is unbelievable. The plane is on to a winner, it's a beauty, the engines are awesome and the whole design is a huge step forward from A321 or Boeing 757 (the latter long discontinued production).

    These people are not aviation fans they are politically brainwashed drama queens

    One sexy ass plane that, with design attributes (e.g. tall landing gear) that can allow for even larger engines to be installed in future (737's problem). Ergo you got proper room for growth as the design can take it.


    The trash talking indicates deep seated insecurity and de facto acknowledgement of the market threat posed by the MS-21.  
    Given the obvious characteristics of the MS-21 (including its wider interior) if it was not a serious competitor all these gerbils
    would not be squeaking so much.

    This:
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    means that I will be more comfortable flying on it than the 737 or A320 clones currently all over Europe.
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    Post  Project Canada on Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:53 pm

    I am concerned, we know NATOstan cruelty is beyond comprehensible, they might pull off something stupid like bribing a uac employee to sabotage an mc-21 model and make it Crash! I am not joking, this is a real possibility. Russia will need to double or triple its security in its aviation facilities.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:06 pm

    Project Canada wrote:I am concerned, we know NATOstan cruelty is beyond comprehensible, they might pull off something stupid like bribing a uac employee to sabotage an mc-21 model and make it Crash! I am not joking, this is a real possibility. Russia will need to double or triple its security in its aviation facilities.

    They already have plenty of security.

    You think they do not take stuff like this into consideration?

    Besides, those airplanes are built in same place as fighter jets. Security is tight.
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    Post  Austin on Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:40 pm

    Piotr Butowski and Antony Angrand : Aircraft development program is MS-21 - the view from the West

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:48 pm

    On PD-14 Engine


    Compared with the American PD-14 engine is a turbofan engine with a bypass ratio of 8.5 (at 12 PW1400G stated). According to the CEO of the Permian enterprise "Aircraft Engine" Alexander Inozemetsva, which is responsible for the development of the engine, the fan technology with gear "is a very advanced technology", and its indicators are very promising for the engine such dimension. PD-14 parameters were selected based on the task of achieving the lowest operating costs.

    The gas generator consists of eight stages of the compressor and a compression ratio of 17, ramjet combustion chamber and a two-stage turbine. Key technologies PD-14 - use of wide hollow blades of titanium. The same blade used in the six stages of low pressure turbine. Hollow blades can reduce the weight of 500 kg, compared with the conventional blades, and the total engine weight is 3.8 tons. Engine-plant in Ufa (UMPO) has developed a proprietary technology that is patented and allows to produce blades. According to Alexander Inozemetseva, PW1400G engine, fuel consumption will be 1% higher, but due to its weight and its more modest dimensions under the wing of the MS-21, our engine will be 0.5-0.7% better.

    The dimensions of the gas generator are selected based on the idea of developing the engine family. In the future, based on PD-14 the whole gamut of the engine thrust will be developed from 9 to 18 tons. Cold part PD-14 consists of a combustion chamber, a high-pressure three-stage compressor and low pressure turbine with six stages. Nacelle is short and consists of composite materials by 65%. October 30, 2015 the prototype PD-14 began flight tests on a flying laboratory IL-76LL. PD-14 should be installed on the first MS-21-300, which will begin flight tests at the end of June 2018. First modification of MS-21-300 on the seat 163 (a two-class layout) has received the most orders, and by the developed first. Then it will be developed on a shortened version of the 5.5 meter MS-21-200, which will be designed for 132 passengers. Today it is all available versions of the aircraft, which offers "Irkut". The final decision with regard to MS-21-400 modifications in the near future will not be accepted. The "Irkut" working on this marketing department.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:33 pm


    Italian companies showing interest in SSJ-100 assembly


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    Post  kvs on Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:40 am

    Austin wrote:On PD-14 Engine


    Compared with the American PD-14 engine is a turbofan engine with a bypass ratio of 8.5 (at 12 PW1400G stated). According to the CEO of the Permian enterprise "Aircraft Engine" Alexander Inozemetsva, which is responsible for the development of the engine, the fan technology with gear "is a very advanced technology", and its indicators are very promising for the engine such dimension. PD-14 parameters were selected based on the task of achieving the lowest operating costs.

    The gas generator consists of eight stages of the compressor and a compression ratio of 17, ramjet combustion chamber and a two-stage turbine. Key technologies PD-14 - use of wide hollow blades of titanium. The same blade used in the six stages of low pressure turbine. Hollow blades can reduce the weight of 500 kg, compared with the conventional blades, and the total engine weight is 3.8 tons. Engine-plant in Ufa (UMPO) has developed a proprietary technology that is patented and allows to produce blades. According to Alexander Inozemetseva, PW1400G engine, fuel consumption will be 1% higher, but due to its weight and its more modest dimensions under the wing of the MS-21, our engine will be 0.5-0.7% better.

    The dimensions of the gas generator are selected based on the idea of developing the engine family. In the future, based on PD-14 the whole gamut of the engine thrust will be developed from 9 to 18 tons. Cold part PD-14 consists of a combustion chamber, a high-pressure three-stage compressor and low pressure turbine with six stages. Nacelle is short and consists of composite materials by 65%. October 30, 2015 the prototype PD-14 began flight tests on a flying laboratory IL-76LL. PD-14 should be installed on the first MS-21-300, which will begin flight tests at the end of June 2018. First modification of MS-21-300 on the seat 163 (a two-class layout) has received the most orders, and by the developed first. Then it will be developed on a shortened version of the 5.5 meter MS-21-200, which will be designed for 132 passengers. Today it is all available versions of the aircraft, which offers "Irkut". The final decision with regard to MS-21-400 modifications in the near future will not be accepted. The "Irkut" working on this marketing department.

    It is hard to believe that engine specifications are publicly available that would enable comparison of fuel consumption with an accuracy of 1%.
    No private company is obliged to disclose all characteristics at maximal precision about their products. I am quite sure that Pratt and Whitney
    releases a market filtered set of specs round up for performance. Of course, Russian companies could have tested the P&W engines on stands
    and made laboratory measurements. But I have not heard of them doing this.

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