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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:39 am

    I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.

    As an example Its low cost carrier Pobeda has 12 x B 737-800 , Now why cant they operate 12 Tu-204SM.

    UAC has spent resource and time to flight test Tu-204SM and they have no buyers for it.

    Aeroflot has a strength of 291 aircraft , Cant it operate 40 odd Tu-204SM , IL-96-400M in its fleet , they will still have 250 fleet of Western Aircraft.

    Government is a majority stake holder in Aeroflot cant it force it to help its domestic aviation industry.

    On the contrary Aeroflot Boss has the audacity to say he wont buy IL-96 and IL-300 and will buy MS-21 only if this turns out to be good.

    I take this as failure of the current government in Russia not being able to support its local domestic aviation , while Aeroflot is making fat profit of $600 million and purchasing more Boeing and Airbus !
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:52 pm

    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.

    As an example Its low cost carrier Pobeda has 12 x B 737-800 , Now why cant they operate 12 Tu-204SM.

    UAC has spent resource and time to flight test Tu-204SM and they have no buyers for it.

    Aeroflot has a strength of 291 aircraft , Cant it operate 40 odd Tu-204SM , IL-96-400M in its fleet , they will still have 250 fleet of Western Aircraft.

    Government is a majority stake holder in Aeroflot cant it force it to help its domestic aviation industry.

    On the contrary Aeroflot Boss has the audacity to say he wont buy IL-96 and IL-300 and will buy MS-21 only if this turns out to be good.

    I take this as failure of the current government in Russia not being able to support its local domestic aviation , while Aeroflot is making fat profit of $600 million and purchasing more Boeing and Airbus !

    it is clear sign of corruption. Aeroflot boss needs to be fired. The Russian government said it was going to come down hard on its domestic carriers to start using Russian but it seems Aeroflot is like Air Canada which uses Embraer jets that are direct competitor to Bombardier and yet bombardier constantly needs to be bailed out.
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:57 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM  instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.

    As an example  Its low cost carrier Pobeda has 12 x B 737-800  , Now why cant they operate 12 Tu-204SM.

    UAC has spent resource and time to flight test Tu-204SM and they have no buyers for it.  

    Aeroflot has a strength of 291 aircraft , Cant it operate 40 odd  Tu-204SM , IL-96-400M  in its fleet , they will still have 250 fleet of Western Aircraft.

    Government is a majority stake holder in Aeroflot cant it force it to help its domestic aviation industry.

    On the contrary Aeroflot Boss has the audacity to say he wont buy IL-96 and IL-300 and will buy MS-21 only if this turns out to be good.

    I take this as failure of the current government in Russia not being able to support its local domestic aviation  , while Aeroflot is making fat profit of $600 million and purchasing more Boeing and Airbus !

    it is clear sign of corruption. Aeroflot boss needs to be fired. The Russian government said it was going to come down hard on its domestic carriers to start using Russian but it seems Aeroflot is like Air Canada which uses Embraer jets that are direct competitor to Bombardier and yet bombardier constantly needs to be bailed out.

    You bet Russian Government first needs to fix its own house in order before complaining
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:11 pm

    I read the interview and got a different impression. Aeroflot is impressed with their SSJ-100 and plan about 50 planes in service and sukhoi was quick to fix the issues that existed on 10 of its current 30 planes. He seems to also be excited about MS-21 but is waiting to see quality of it.

    His remarks about Il-96 though is him talking too much. Time will tell but guarantee you Aeroflot and this man will have their hands slapped. Putin is a man that tends to humiliate such people, and will do so publicly.

    I think there are plans to start a new carrier as well and let Aeroflot to operate as is since it brings a lot of money. But we will wait and see. This man has no power over Rogozin or Putin, especially since the company is state owned.
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:34 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I think there are plans to start a new carrier as well and let Aeroflot to operate as is since it brings a lot of money. But we will wait and see. This man has no power over Rogozin or Putin, especially since the company is state owned.

    They will let Rossiya manage IL-96 the new one they are building about 5-6 of them for long distance inter country route

    The state has control over Aeroflot but there is the other 45 % private stake holder in the company which will thrive for profit so state will have to oblige to them too
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:37 pm

    Russian-Chinese aircraft must surpass Airbus and Boeing

    https://vpk.name/news/170895_rossiiskokitaiskii_samolet_dolzhen_prevzoiti_airbus_i_boeing.html

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    For this side are going to invest $ 20 billion


    Agreement on a joint venture for the development, production and sales of wide-body long-haul aircraft (SHFDMS) signed on June 25, in Beijing, leaders of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC; more than 95% - the state) and Chinese state-owned COMAC. In Russia the next plane is called: SHFDMS in China - S929, in November showed COMAC layout at an air show in Zhuhai.

    "Vedomosti" familiar with the technical and economic substantiation of the project, which was prepared by the KLA, two federal official and a person close to the KLA, have confirmed it is correct. The first firm contract for SHFDMS scheduled to conclude in 2019, the first flight - in 2023, supplies the start - in 2026, the document says. There will be three SHFDMS model base - 280 passengers, the program will last until 2045

    At the start of the discussion of the project was the idea of ​​medium-range aircraft with increased capacity for the Chinese market with its huge population, but decided to do long-haul aircraft for the world market - in a segment where no one even tried to break the duopoly Airbus and Boeing, says a federal official.

    SHFDMS will be 10-15% more efficient than the Boeing 787 Dreamliner and Airbus 350, according to a feasibility study. "Reducing direct operating costs by more than 10% will give the latest turbofan engine and the latest advances in aerodynamics and composite materials. Along with an attractive cost of ownership it will provide a sufficient competitive advantage ", - said the representative of the KLA. Representatives from Boeing and Airbus, is not commenting.


    Development of the liner and the establishment of production facilities will cost $ 13 billion, another $ 7 billion will be spent on spare parts supply system, marketing and sales support - subsidies and guaranteed residual value, according to a feasibility study, the cost of Russia and China will be borne equally. "The program is at the stage of conceptual design, the costs will be adjusted," - said the representative of the KLA.

    Price set at $ SHFDMS 113,5-117,8 million in the first year it should be 20% cheaper than its competitors, according to a feasibility study. Dreamliner in the catalog is $ 224 million, but when buying a large consignment, it costs $ 112,3-153 million, say the representatives of the airlines. A350 will cost $ 136-154 million, according to the manufacturer's website. SHFDMS to 2045 should bring $ 123 billion in revenue and $ 9.6 billion in net profit, the price for a roomy and expensive models are not listed in the feasibility study, but based on the planned total sales revenue could reach about 1,000 vessels. "We hope to 2045 to sell up to 800 boards" - promises a representative of the KLA.

    The authorized capital of the joint venture and the KLA COMAC is only $ 2 million, it will make only a conceptual design, according to the feasibility study. Detailed design will KLA structure, it also will be the certificate holder of the type in Russia, China and Europe; COMAC under the license agreement will be engaged in the assembly of the fuselage and the entire aircraft at the plant in a special economic zone in Shanghai, the wing will gather in Russia; COMAC will sell airplanes. The parties will pay their own work, it said in a feasibility study, but as the parity will be achieved in the costs has not been described. Do not know this and the interlocutors "Vedomosti": feasibility study clarifies in 2017 will have a new option.

    "Cooperation with China is necessary because of its finance and access to its market. Cost of the project is such that either Russia will not be able to comply with the parity in funding, a project will be delayed or worsen parameters such as efficiency, "- says the executive director of" airport "Oleg Panteleyev.


    "China's goal in the first place - get the Russian developments and technologies. China - a hard negotiator and cynically refers to someone else's intellectual property, so that the project poses to Russia some risks "- warns a leading researcher at the Institute of Transport Economics Fedor Borisov.

    With the current division of work it turns out that Russia will start investing early, says the official. This may be an additional risk to Russia, indicates Panteleev.

    KLA released haul the SSJ100, completes the development of medium-range MS-21, SHFDSM would make the main line vessels full, then no one producer in the world. In 2017-2018 gg. on SHFDSM under the state program "Development of the aviation industry," laid 7.4 billion rubles. - Not enough for such a project, a federal official said.

    Ministry of Industry and COMAC to not answer the request.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:49 pm

    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM  instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.

    ......,

    There is no point buying Tu-204 now when MS-21 is around the corner.

    And Tu-204 is simply not as efficient as competition. MS-21 will be.
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM  instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.

    ......,

    There is no point buying Tu-204 now when MS-21 is around the corner.

    And Tu-204 is simply not as efficient as competition. MS-21 will be.

    Tu-204SM was certified way back in 2012 , MS-21 still has a long way to go and it already has long order list.

    Tu-204SM would have been an ideal candidate for Aeroflot low cost carrier instead of 737-800 which they bought , till such time MS-21 comes into full production numbers.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:55 pm

    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM  instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.
    Because Tu-204SM project is dead, UAC itself abandoned it in order to concentrate resources on the MS-21.
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:01 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM  instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.
    Because Tu-204SM project is dead, UAC itself abandoned it in order to concentrate resources on the MS-21.

    The project was killed because they could not find customers in Russia and Iran-Russia deal on that did not move forward.

    They did not find customers in Russian airlines is because Aeroflot was busy buying expensive 737-800 and subsidising Boeing even though US government had sanctioned Russia comprehensively even though UAC offered Tu-204SM at cheaper cost subsidised by state , left them with no option UAC was forced to kill Tu-204SM
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:21 pm

    Check the video in the link

    Newest MS-21 (YaK-242) civilian airliner. Assembling is underway.


    https://twitter.com/RSS_40/status/837660243714781185

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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:22 pm

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    UAC plans to focus on scientific support for the development of the joint Russian-Chinese long range widebody jet airplane (ShFDMS, Russian ШФДМС).

    The share of carbon fiber materials in the plane’s structure will exceed 50%. Russian specialists are now developing and testing new composite materials, which are to be used in the new aircraft.


    https://www.facebook.com/UAC.RUSSIA.EN/photos/p.1724445984533852/1724445984533852/?type=1&theater
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:26 pm

    More Information on Russian-Chinese long range widebody jet airplane

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2222060.html

    http://www.arms-expo.ru/articles/124/80471/
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:33 pm

    Nice Information on these 3 programs

    SSJ 100SV - a second chance for the Superjet

    http://aviation21.ru/ssj-100sv-vtoroj-shans-dlya-superdzheta/

    Start testing aircraft engine PD-14 was an event of 2015. 10 facts about engines

    http://aviation21.ru/nachalo-ispytanij-aviadvigatelya-pd-14-stalo-sobytiem-2015-goda-10-faktov-o-dvigatelyax/

    IL-96-400M - long-range wide-body aircraft


    http://aviation21.ru/il-96-400m/
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:55 pm

    In the IL-96-400M will be installed upgraded engines PS-90A3M

    http://perm.rbc.ru/perm/freenews/58b95bea9a794707befa8af4


    Perm "Aircraft Engine" will upgrade the PS-90A1 engines for wide-body long-haul aircraft IL-96-400M. This Perm RBC said the head of the enterprise Alexander Inozemtsev.

    Passenger ship will be based on IL-96-400T cargo. Its production will Voronezh aircraft factory. Remodeled board must be powered by four turbofan engines PS-90A3M, maximum take-off mass must not be less than 270 tons and range with a payload of 41 tonnes - at least 9 thousand. Km. These characteristics allow the new car to become a cruise on a par with foreign "shirokofyuzelyazhnikami". Currently Permian aircraft designers are working on the feasibility study of this project.

    "The President has set a task to make a batch of 6-10 aircraft and begin their operation in Russia. By the time when there will be PD-35, the aircraft is expected reentine a twin-engine variant. This happens in about 10-15 years ", - said the managing director-general designer of JSC" UEC-AVIADVIGATEL "A. Inozemtsev


    Last autumn edition of "Vedomosti" reported that the KLA is planning to raise in the sky the first prototype passenger IL-96-400M in 2019. to modernize the program will cost about 53 billion rubles, of which a little less than 10 billion will be spent on development work. In addition, it was reported that the aircraft will be used for government agencies, first of all, for the "Russian" special flight detachment.
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    Post  Austin Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:59 pm

    So new details emerging about IL-96-400M Wide Body Passenger Aircraft

    1 ) It will be powered by a modernised PS-90A3M Engine , I think they will use the most modern PS-90A3 engine and uprate it for 16T Thrust during take off
    2 ) IL-96-400M can carry upto 41 Tons of Cargo/Passenger upto a range of atleast 9000 km
    3 ) President has ordered 6-10 Aircraft of that category
    4 ) Later on the IL-96-400M will be again reengine with 2 PD-35 Engine , this will take 10-15 years so probably will happen after 2030


    PS-90A3 engine http://www.avid.ru/en/avia/?id=5
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    Post  Austin Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:31 am

    Take Off Magazine Feb Issue , covers Mig-35 ,IL-112 , MS-21 and SaM-146 engine program

    http://en.take-off.ru/index.php/component/content/article/45/431
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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:24 pm

    Austin wrote:Nice Information on these 3 programs

    SSJ 100SV - a second chance for the Superjet

    http://aviation21.ru/ssj-100sv-vtoroj-shans-dlya-superdzheta/

    What's with the idiotic article title. As if the current SSJ-100 is some sort of failure. F*ck off, liberast-tard "journalists".

    I recall the liberast-tards calling the SSJ-100 a vapourware project several years ago. They should just shut the f*ck up
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    Post  Austin Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:05 pm

    kvs , check this interview

    Exclusive interview with the executive director of SuperJet International Nazario Kaucheliya.


    https://vpk.name/news/166074_nikakih_sekretov_u_menya_net.html
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    Post  Austin Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:50 pm

    Found some additional information on PS-90A3 from Chief Designer of Perm

    Perm developers presented to customers the unified PS-90A3u engine


    http://www.aviationunion.org/news_second.php?new=123

    April 2012 in Moscow there was a conference "Prospects of PS-90A engines development", during which one there was a presentation of PS-90A3u engine, which is designed for replacement of PS-90A series at certified aircraft — IL-96, Tu-204/214, IL-76TD-90 and their modification. JSC "Aviadvigatel", JSC "Perm Engine Company" with the participation of United Engine Corporation were organizers of the conference.

    The conference was attended by almost all Russian airlines which use aircraft with PS-90A engines series: Russian presidential aircraft, "Aeroflot-RAL", "Red Wings", "Volga-Dnepr", "Transaero Airlines", "Aviastar-TU", "Polet".

    At the conference's opening, managing director, chief designer of JSC "Aviadvigatel", Mr. Alexander Inozemtsev, noted that the decision on creation of the new modification in PS-90A engine series is dictated by need to propose to existing and potential partners of Perm motor builders the engines, created on the basis of up-to-date design solutions and technologies.

    Deputy chief designer - chief designer of aviation engines of Perm design bureau, Mr. Alexander Semenov, told in details about PS-90A3u project and prospective of new modification. Certified in 2009, PS90A3u was created with aim to increase the exploitation parameters in compare with the level, reached at the basic PS-90A. The creators tried to reach changeability of PS-90A and PS-90A2 by developing this engine. However, even though in geometric and weight parameters, in conjoint parts the full changeability was reached, at the interface for PS-90A2 it was necessary to integrate deunification for Tu-204SM.

    In 2011 at "Aviadvigatel", it was decided to return to idea of aircraft with PS-90 modernization with help of engine, which would have all technological advance of PS-90A2, but would not need any modification of aircraft. This engine gained an designation – PS-90A3u. Its primary difference in design from PS-90A is the using the fan's body frame of basic PS-90A engine with aim to decrease engine's weight and cost.

    Chief designer of Perm design bureau expressed confidence that PS-90A3u will serve significantly longer over the wing, than basic PS-90A, and with reduced costs for repair. Airlines can can not only purchase new engines but also reequip existing PS-90A into PS-90A3 during overhaul.

    While talking about the advantages of Ps-90A3u, chief designer highlighted the increased engine's average life before the repair. "This will allow companies to exploit aircraft more intensive by reducing the demurrage, caused by engine's replacing, will shorten number of repairs, made by enterprise-manufacturer, — highlighted Alexander Semenov. — Engine's downtime will be reduced from 50 to 22 months during the life cycle. Engine's reliability will be significantly increased, which will allow customers to minimize flight delay and preflight time".

    For now JSC "Aviadvigatel" together with Perm Engine Company is holding the activity on the mastering of PS-90A2u mass production. "Many documents on PS-90A3u were released, design documentation is being released. We will try to install on one Tu-204 and one Il-76-TD-90 in the number of one PS-90A3u with aim of outmarch operation", — Alexander Semenov said.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:35 pm


    FYI on the Superjet, 112th had a maiden flight couple of days ago. They are baking them at nice pace. I think it was 20 last year

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/91022/

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    Post  Rmf Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:14 pm

    Austin wrote:
    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM  instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.
    Because Tu-204SM project is dead, UAC itself abandoned it in order to concentrate resources on the MS-21.

    The project was killed because they could not find customers in Russia and Iran-Russia deal on that did not move forward.

    They did not find customers in Russian airlines is because Aeroflot was busy buying expensive 737-800 and subsidising Boeing even though US government had sanctioned Russia comprehensively even though UAC offered Tu-204SM at cheaper cost subsidised by state , left them with no option UAC was forced to kill Tu-204SM
    it was dropped because its 25t heavier then ms-21 ,and with 2 old engines 20% worse economy, and 1300km less range.
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    Post  Austin Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:49 pm

    Rmf wrote:
    Austin wrote:
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    Austin wrote:I wonder why the Putin government is not forcing Aeroflot to adopt Tu-204SM  instead of let it purchase A-321/320/737 Jets.
    Because Tu-204SM project is dead, UAC itself abandoned it in order to concentrate resources on the MS-21.

    The project was killed because they could not find customers in Russia and Iran-Russia deal on that did not move forward.

    They did not find customers in Russian airlines is because Aeroflot was busy buying expensive 737-800 and subsidising Boeing even though US government had sanctioned Russia comprehensively even though UAC offered Tu-204SM at cheaper cost subsidised by state , left them with no option UAC was forced to kill Tu-204SM
    it was dropped because its 25t heavier then ms-21 ,and with 2 old engines 20% worse economy, and 1300km less range.

    Tu-204SM was never in competion with MS-21 and Tu-204SM did its certification around 2011 while MS-21 will get it around 2019 if all goes well.

    There is decade of lead Tu-204SM has over MS-21-300 , So comparing one of the worlds best Narrow Body aircraft with a 757 class types is hardly a fair one.

    They were suppose to order Tu-204SM but then sabatoged it in favour of MS-21.

    They could have easily told Aeroflot low cast carrier and RedWing and Rossiya to operate a few dozen of it but they are happy to let them import 737/A-320 types while West is happily Screwing Russia Sanctioning it and Russia is subsidizing Western Aviation Industry
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    Post  Austin Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:50 pm

    Tu-204SM is an Epitome of Tu-204/214 family and it has lot of features comparable to its Western peers in its class.

    Please read this excellent interview on Tu-204SM

    What is Tu-204SM?

    http://www.ruaviation.com/docs/2/2014/4/21/81/


    Tu-204SM Specs http://www.tupolev.ru/en/civil_aviation/tu-204sm
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