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    Comparison of U.S. and Russian ABM systems

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:26 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Also don't weapon export restrictions on Iran end in October 2020?
    Yes, US could put additional unilateral sanctions of course, but there is no way that will be ratified by the UN, so Russia and China will be free to sell what they want.

    The restriction on civil airplanes containing more than 10% in value of american components will still stay, however. So Russia will not yet be able to sell the ssj100 to Iran until they replace at least a part of the American components and China won't be able to sell its arj21 (they also have US engines).

    So we will see if Iran will order some Mig35, iskander, bastion and S400....
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:50 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Hole wrote:PAC-3 against cruise missiles? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Holy shit PAC 3 couldnt hit a fucking basic missile.

    "WATCH: Yesterday, #USA Made PATRIOT Air Defense System Missiles (same one #Turkey begged for) fly past #Yemen’i (Iranian) ballistic missiles— missing the incoming target and failing to intercept."

    https://twitter.com/As_SourceBrkNew/status/1244306164491452416
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 am

    The restriction on civil airplanes containing more than 10% in value of american components will still stay, however. So Russia will not yet be able to sell the ssj100 to Iran until they replace at least a part of the American components and China won't be able to sell its arj21 (they also have US engines).

    There are a lot of customers who want western components and because they are in production they often get used because they are standard... a bit like choosing Microsoft software for your business or Linux.... a lot of people prefer Microsoft simply because it is a name they know and they expect better support.

    Often when building something it makes sense to use off the shelf systems and many of these systems are not something you would use for anything else and in a world where western companies dominate making stuff for western aircraft it makes it hard for a little Russian company to create a product let alone one good enough to compete.

    But with this sanctions shit America is giving Russian companies no choice but to develop these systems themselves... it isn't hard, there is no magic required... Russian companies are just as capable as western companies, but sanctions give the people making the decisions a reason to choose Russian products.

    This is rather better for Russia than it is for the US because it is creating competition and some customers buy US stuff because there is no alternative... but with sanctions they are creating alternatives...

    By working with the Russians they might gain some influence, and in fact better relations with the Russians might give them extra abilities to apply pressure to countries that wont normally care what they think, but they are too stupid to realise friends are more useful than enemies...

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