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    Russia - Indonesia arms contracts

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    Post  Krepost Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:04 am

    Why so much negativity about palm oil.

    Palm oil is the most important ingredient for making all kinds of fatty acids that are used in a vast number of consumer goods such as shampoos, creams, detergents and many other personal care products that you guys (and girls) use on a daily basis.

    Russia and every other country that has an industry needs palm oil.

    Sad to see the Indonesians opting out of the Su-35 deal.
    Then again, they were never a great client of Russia (having revealed secrets of previous Soviet weapons to the USA).

    Having said that, they still buy Russian weaponry up to now:
    Here is one of the recent Indonesian acquisitions from Russia:
    An Indonesian warship equipped with the new Russian AU-220M 57mm gun created by Burevestnik in NIzhni-Novgorod.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:35 am

    Krepost wrote:Why so much negativity about palm oil.

    Palm oil is the most important ingredient for making all kinds of fatty acids that are used in a vast number of consumer goods such as shampoos, creams, detergents and many other personal care products that you guys (and girls) use on a daily basis.

    Russia and every other country that has an industry needs palm oil....

    Problem is that it does not end up in cosmetics but in food

    The less of it there is available the smaller the odds are of it ending up in food because it will nave to be used in cosmetics

    But when there's cheap surplus of it around it all goes into food



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    Post  Krepost Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:01 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Why so much negativity about palm oil.

    Palm oil is the most important ingredient for making all kinds of fatty acids that are used in a vast number of consumer goods such as shampoos, creams, detergents and many other personal care products that you guys (and girls) use on a daily basis.

    Russia and every other country that has an industry needs palm oil....

    Problem is that it does not end up in cosmetics but in food

    The less of it there is available the smaller the odds are of it ending up in food because it will nave to be used in cosmetics

    But when there's cheap surplus of it around it all goes into food


    The biggest controversy about palm oil is not that it can go into food.
    The huge palm plantations came by deforestation of tropical forests.
    Anyways, we are off topic.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:49 am

    Broski wrote:Do they plan on paying the US & France in Palm Oil?

    No need, there are no sanctions from the US on buying from the US itself. France might be screwed over again ofc thumbsup

    Krepost wrote:Why so much negativity about palm oil.

    Palm oil is the most important ingredient for making all kinds of fatty acids that are used in a vast number of consumer goods such as shampoos, creams, detergents and many other personal care products that you guys (and girls) use on a daily basis.

    Russia and every other country that has an industry needs palm oil.

    Sad to see the Indonesians opting out of the Su-35 deal.
    Then again, they were never a great client of Russia (having revealed secrets of previous Soviet weapons to the USA).

    Having said that, they still buy Russian weaponry up to now:
    Here is one of the recent Indonesian acquisitions from Russia:
    An Indonesian warship equipped with the new Russian AU-220M 57mm gun created by Burevestnik in NIzhni-Novgorod.

    It's a shame but if they want to stay a mickey-mouse country then we can't stop them.

    Even the Philippines, a country with far less potential and population, has no qualms about increasing defense orders from Russia.

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    Post  PhSt Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:16 am

    Russia is endlessly criticized in NATzO media for its alleged use of economic leverage on its neighbors to pursue its interests, but when America does it it's championed as a successful tool to advance American interests  Rolling Eyes



    Indonesia’s $22 Billion Purchases of US, French Fighter Jets: How Russia’s Su-35 Lost Out

    The Indonesian acquisitions are notable, first, for their scale, with $22 billion worth of purchases being a tremendous sum even for larger arms importers such as Saudi Arabia or Japan and representing a major escalation of defense spending. At the same time, the new deals also reflect the success of U.S. efforts to expand the market share of Western armaments using threats of economic sanctions.

    https://thediplomat.com/2022/02/indonesias-22-billion-purchases-of-us-french-fighter-jets-how-russias-su-35-lost-out/

    Is there a way for Russia to put pressure on Indonesia to scrap this deal with the US? If not, then the Su-35's that's originally destined for Indonesia should be sold instead to Indonesia's regional rivals (which doesn't seem to be much other than China), or to countries that resist American imperialism like Iran, North Korea or Venezuela. America needs to understand that any attempts to sabotage Russian business with our countries will result in increased threats to American national security.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:54 am


    No, there isn't

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:31 pm

    It is not Indonesia that needs to be punished... it is the US... so perhaps a tax or tariff on Russian oil and gas sales to US companies to cover the losses... the funds can go directly to the companies missing out on contracts which they can use to fund upgrades and improvements to their products to make them even better.

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