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    Russia - Indonesia arms contracts

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:55 am

    Another option would be tariffs and sanctions... that way if the US objects Russia can offer to remove sanctions on certain things in return for western sanctions and tariffs to be lifted too...

    Specifically the US ban on the import of Russian small arms would be useful and profitable...
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    Post  Backman Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:50 pm

    One idea that is floating around the Duma is for Russia to stop recognizing US patents

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    Post  mnztr Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:45 am

    Many of the South East Asian nations are trying to counter Chinese domination, an allaince with Russia does not really offer that. So I can understand why Indonesia wants to get closer to the USA, in addition of the other benefits.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:38 am

    mnztr wrote:Many of the South East Asian nations are trying to counter Chinese domination, an allaince with Russia does not really offer that. So I can understand why Indonesia wants to get closer to the USA, in addition of the other benefits.

    The problem of the approach is that it is not Indonesia that is going to use the US as a ram against China, but the other way around...
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    Post  mnztr Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:46 am

    LMFS wrote:
    mnztr wrote:Many of the South East Asian nations are trying to counter Chinese domination, an allaince with Russia does not really offer that. So I can understand why Indonesia wants to get closer to the USA, in addition of the other benefits.

    The problem of the approach is that it is not Indonesia that is going to use the US as a ram against China, but the other way around...

    Indonesia is not gonna be a ram against China, but allowing the USA to use one of their thousands of islands as a base is not a bad idea.
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    Post  George1 Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:44 pm

    57mm artillery combat modules AU-220M on Indonesian boats

    According to widespread photographs, the Indonesian naval forces acquired at least two 57-mm shipborne artillery modules AU-220M developed and manufactured by the Russian JSC Central Research Institute Burevestnik (Nizhny Novgorod; part of JSC NPK Uralvagonzavod State Corporation Rostec ), installing on their national-built missile boats of the KCR-60M project. Thus, Indonesia became the first known customer of the shipborne AU-220M.

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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:50 pm

    Opinions on this?

    Indonesia demanded that Russia accept local products in exchange for the supply of Su-35
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:10 pm

    George1 wrote:Opinions on this?

    Indonesia demanded that Russia accept local products in exchange for the supply of Su-35

    Indonesia cant demand anything. They are in need of the jets.

    But Russia could actually make a great deal out of this. They can seek to get additional compensation in having to re-sell the products they trade for and thus get more of said products (in dollar value) than they would get via the direct sale of the jets.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:11 pm

    George1 wrote:Opinions on this?

    Indonesia demanded that Russia accept local products in exchange for the supply of Su-35

    They better have massive amounts of local products ready...

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:50 pm

    I'd rather not have any more fking palm oil.

    90% of our cheese makers already use it as a filler to make cheese and as a result 90% of cheese tastes like s***
    And the 10% is too expensive for most people. Not enough economy of scale

    I wrote the above before actually looking at the article. Yep, sure enough, they plan to supply us with palm oil.

    Anyway as I understood the delay for the contract was due to the US's CASTA sanctions. Maybe this local products stuff is just an excuse.
    If it isn't, then I'm fine with the idea, wouldn't be the first time Russia has accepted such and not even the first time recently.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:28 am

    Indonesia has a shitload of products, coal, seafood, rice, palm oil, all which could be easily resold by Russia or purchased by Russian consumers. The great thing about it is it would also establish trade links between Russia and Indonesia which is a trillion $ economy and a member of ASEAN.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:42 am

    Poland sold PT-91M tanks to Malesia and received part of the payment in palm oil. Nothing wrong with that.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:38 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Poland sold PT-91M tanks to Malesia and received part of the payment in palm oil. Nothing wrong with that.

    Guns for palm oil

    You try selling that pitch to the United States Smile

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:36 pm

    mnztr wrote:Indonesia has a shitload of products, coal, seafood, rice, palm oil, all which could be easily resold by Russia or purchased by Russian consumers. The great thing about it is it would also establish trade links between Russia and Indonesia which is a trillion $ economy and a member of ASEAN.
    Trillion dollar economy that could only afford to pay in joke oil. What a shithole. Speaking as an expert witness of course.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:56 am

    I think it might be related to the sanctions though

    Some way to avoid it. At least I remember reading about how Russia was offering alternate payment methods and so on.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:16 am


    They should take something more useful than palm oil

    How is that trash still allowed for human consumption?

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They should take something more useful than palm oil

    How is that trash still allowed for human consumption?


    This bias is politically driven and motivated only.
    It is the most consumed fat on Earth, mainly due to its very low production cost.
    You can get a 4t of palm oil from 1ha of land, while the second in line, raps oil, makes 0.7-0.9t.
    So of course it will have a bad reputation, but it is attached to the food with added fats. All of them.
    As palm oil replaced animal fats in food production in the 90s only, and that was combined with an overall campaign against added fats, and general health issues - all the shit glued to it.
    The other issue is the fact, that it is produced in poor countries, so there is a lot of space for "environmental activists" and all that fags.
    Palm oil is used in much more things, including cosmetic business and industry.
    It is massively used as fuel, fertilizers are made of it, too. Replaces other - more costly - fats in worldwide soap production.
    Any country's business needs it to apply for daily operations.
    They will reduce the middlemen.
    I see no issue here.
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    Post  Isos Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They should take something more useful than palm oil

    How is that trash still allowed for human consumption?


    That's as much used as oil on the cars.

    Not gonna disapeared any day soon. That's a good deal for them.

    But not for Indonesia. Palm oil is more valuable than their shitty PT-71 tanks that are as good as ukrainian versions of t-80.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:46 am

    It is cheap and abundant so the companies that use it want to keep using it... and these are the big companies that write food health and safety laws in many countries...
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:12 am

    Guess Moscow said no to more palm oil

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    Post  lancelot Fri Dec 24, 2021 8:35 am

    They are being real dumb. They already forgot why they had to buy Flankers in the first place.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:21 am

    It's up to Indonesia. They don't have great relations with Australia and if there was any conflict with them, they will find trouble since US won't supply what Indonesia needs as they will back Australia over Indo.

    But they will eventually change minds decades later.

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    Post  Broski Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:57 pm

    Do they plan on paying the US & France in Palm Oil?

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:35 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Guess Moscow said no to more palm oil

    In this case, good

    That shit is rancid

    Weapons are supposed to be sold for cash or at least some quality merchandise not health hazard trash





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