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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:45 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Then Russia should retaliate by placing any trade sanctions on Indonesia.
    The cancellation hasn't been confirmed, it could potentially be fake news.


    Russia did not receive notification from Indonesia on Su-35 fighters
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    Indonesia has not yet notified Russia about the cancellation of the contract for the supply of the country's air force to 11 Russian Su-35 fighters. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to an informed source.

    According to the source, Russia did not receive any notifications from the Indonesian side about the termination of the contract for the supply of Russian fighters.

    There have been no notifications about this yet.

    - the agency quotes the source.

    On the eve of Bloomberg agency reported on the alleged decision by the Indonesian authorities to terminate the contract concluded in 2018 with Russia for the supply of 11 Russian Su-35 fighters in the amount of about 1.1 billion dollars. As explained in Bloomberg, information about this was obtained from a source familiar with the situation. The reason for the refusal was called US pressure on Jakarta with the threat of imposing sanctions.

    Meanwhile, the Russian Ministry of Defense informs that Russia and Indonesia have discussed the dates and venue of the Russian-Indonesian naval exercises Orruda 2020. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that relations between Russia and Indonesia in the military sphere and in the military-technical cooperation could reach a new level, the parties could sign a strategic partnership agreement.

    It should be noted that Indonesia has been purchasing Russian weapons for several years. Since 1992, Jakarta has received Su-27 and Su-30MK2 fighters and aviation weapons for them, Mi-17V-5, Mi-35P helicopters, BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles, BTR-80 armored personnel carriers, "hundredth" series Kalashnikov assault rifles . In April last year, a contract was signed for the supply of a batch of BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles and BT-3F armored personnel carriers.


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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:56 pm

    I rethought my process after the news. Let us think it is cancelled. Best Russia SHOULD do isn't harm Indonesian relations but improve it. It would work in Russia's interest to increase trade with Indonesia greatly. Russia should reach agreements to invest in Indonesian business like agriculture - Cocoa, Rubber, etc. These are things that is in demand in Russia and why not get Russian businesses involved? Then look to build nuclear power plants and other energy companies. Lukoil with gas stations and refineries.

    Once Indonesia gains a huge amount of investment money and trade deals with Russia, then they will be less likely to be interested in pissing Russia off.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:46 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I rethought my process after the news.  Let us think it is cancelled.  Best Russia SHOULD do isn't harm Indonesian relations but improve it.  It would work in Russia's interest to increase trade with Indonesia greatly.  Russia should reach agreements to invest in Indonesian business like agriculture - Cocoa, Rubber, etc.  These are things that is in demand in Russia and why not get Russian businesses involved?  Then look to build nuclear power plants and other energy companies.  Lukoil with gas stations and refineries.

    Once Indonesia gains a huge amount of investment money and trade deals with Russia, then they will be less likely to be interested in pissing Russia off.

    I don't know. The US installed the precursors of the current regime and it is tainted by this. Let them shop where they want. Russia does not need
    their business.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:32 am

    I think Mike is on to something... US sanctions work against smaller countries because they are dependent on US good will to survive, and while they suffer with the US telling them what to do they think they will suffer more if they disobey... like north korea or cuba or iran or china or russia...

    Of course Russia and China are big enough to not suffer too much and infact when they are clever they can use sanctions to make themselves stronger and more independent... it is much harder for smaller countries to do the same so they need assurances that if the US does something bad that the Russians or Chinese can offset the loss and in fact make it better... ie if the US stops buying Venezuelan oil then Russia could buy it on better terms and use it to make a profit like the US does, but in a way that benefits Venezuela...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:41 pm

    The contract has been suspended, not cancelled
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:45 pm

    George1 wrote:The contract has been suspended, not cancelled
    Probably a good move by Indonesia until the effects of the virus hiatus has become much clearer.

    Given what is underway in the US financial and oil markets, on top of the slowdown in the World economy, the debt ridden US (and others like the UK) could be in a very different place by the end of the year in terms of pressure they can apply on others like Indonesia through the $ system.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:16 am

    I quite agree... a change in the economics of things and the Americans might become a bit more reasonable to countries with markets of almost 300 million people like Indonesia... at the start of the 1970s it had 120 million... now in 2020 they have just over 270 million people...
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    Post  George1 on Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:16 pm

    Indonesian Marine Corps intends to acquire 79 more BT-3F armored personnel carriers in Russia

    According to the Indonesian Defense Resource web site, the Indonesian Ministry of Defense has approved a request for 3.6 trillion Indonesian rupees ($ 286 million) for the purchase of an additional 79 Russian BT-3F tracked armored personnel carriers for the Indonesian marine. Together with the first 21 BT-3F armored personnel carriers, contracted in April 2019, this should bring the total number of these vehicles acquired by Indonesia to 100 units.

    Recall that in April 2019, the Ministry of Defense of Indonesia signed a contract with a Russian joint-stock company Rosoboronexport for a total value of $ 175.2 million for the purchase of 22 BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles and 21 BT-3F tracked armored personnel carriers for the Indonesian marine corps. Of this amount, the acquisition of 22 BMP-3F accounts for $ 108 million and the purchase of 21 BT-3F - $ 67.2 million. Supplies of equipment under this contract, which will be manufactured by Kurgan Machine-Building Plant JSC (KMZ), are now expected in 2021 -2022 years. Thus, Indonesia became the starting customer of the BT-3F armored personnel carrier.

    Earlier, the Marine Corps of Indonesia (Korps Marinir - KORMAR) received 54 BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles manufactured by KMZ in a modification for the marine corps under two contracts concluded with Rosoboronexport OJSC - the first 17 BMP-3F vehicles and one BREM-L in 2010 year under the contract of 2009, and another 37 BMP-3F vehicles in 2013 under the contract of 2012 worth 114 million dollars.

    The BT-3F caterpillar floating armored personnel carrier (Bronya Design Bureau) was developed by the Special Engineering Design Bureau JSC (SKBM, Kurgan) on the basis of the BMP-3F initially to a large extent with an eye on promoting primarily the Indonesian Marine Corps, which ultimately crowned success. The decision to create the BT-3F was approved in 2010, for the first time the BT-3F prototype was presented at the Army-2016 International Military Technical Forum.

    In August 2017, KORMAR commander Major General Bambang Sushvantono and a delegation of senior officers of the Indonesian Marine Corps visited Russia specifically to familiarize themselves with BT-3F and discuss its purchase. During the visit, Major General Bambang took part in the Army 2017 international military-technical forum, including a BT-3F proving ground specially held for the Indonesian delegation in Kubinka, and also visited SKBM and KMZ in Kurgan.

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    Post  crod on Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:48 am

    I’ve seen it reported that Indonesia cancelled its SU-35 purchase because of US pressure (sanctions and trade tariffs).
    Reports also suggest that they scrapped Chinese purchases for the same reasons.
    Are these reports accurate?
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:35 am

    crod wrote:I’ve seen it reported that Indonesia cancelled its SU-35 purchase because of US pressure (sanctions and trade tariffs).
    Reports also suggest that they scrapped Chinese purchases for the same reasons.
    Are these reports accurate?

    See Post n°126.
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    Post  slasher on Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:07 am

    George1 wrote:See Post n°126.

    No. This time it's the economic fallout from Covid-19 that has forced the need for budget cuts and delaying weapons purchases. Same with Thailand as per reports as well.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:19 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Then Russia should retaliate by placing any trade sanctions on Indonesia.
    The cancellation hasn't been confirmed, it could potentially be fake news.


    Russia did not receive notification from Indonesia on Su-35 fighters
    Russia - Indonesia arms contracts - Page 6 1584087111_-35-14

    Indonesia has not yet notified Russia about the cancellation of the contract for the supply of the country's air force to 11 Russian Su-35 fighters. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to an informed source.

    According to the source, Russia did not receive any notifications from the Indonesian side about the termination of the contract for the supply of Russian fighters.

    There have been no notifications about this yet.

    - the agency quotes the source.

    On the eve of Bloomberg agency reported on the alleged decision by the Indonesian authorities to terminate the contract concluded in 2018 with Russia for the supply of 11 Russian Su-35 fighters in the amount of about 1.1 billion dollars. As explained in Bloomberg, information about this was obtained from a source familiar with the situation. The reason for the refusal was called US pressure on Jakarta with the threat of imposing sanctions.

    Meanwhile, the Russian Ministry of Defense informs that Russia and Indonesia have discussed the dates and venue of the Russian-Indonesian naval exercises Orruda 2020. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that relations between Russia and Indonesia in the military sphere and in the military-technical cooperation could reach a new level, the parties could sign a strategic partnership agreement.

    It should be noted that Indonesia has been purchasing Russian weapons for several years. Since 1992, Jakarta has received Su-27 and Su-30MK2 fighters and aviation weapons for them, Mi-17V-5, Mi-35P helicopters, BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles, BTR-80 armored personnel carriers, "hundredth" series Kalashnikov assault rifles . In April last year, a contract was signed for the supply of a batch of BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles and BT-3F armored personnel carriers.


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    Just like I predicted, it was fake news. The contract negotiations have been resumed, and likely will be implemented in the future.

    Military Review  news Indonesia plans to discuss a contract for Russian Su-35 fighters

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    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:51 pm

    CAATSA can be very well used by Indonesia to oblige Sukhoi to reduce the price.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:08 pm

    Isos wrote:CAATSA can be very well used by Indonesia to oblige Sukhoi to reduce the price.

    Whilst on the other hand Russia can say that demand for Sukhoi products is so high they'd better get their order in quick to reserve units.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:32 pm

    Isos wrote:CAATSA can be very well used by Indonesia to oblige Sukhoi to reduce the price.

    CAATSA has failed across the board, and has been rebuked by numerous countries.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:25 am

    CAATSA is damaging US relations with countries it thinks are allies by forcing them to choose because a lot of them are choosing not to be told what they can buy from other vendors...
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:57 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Then Russia should retaliate by placing any trade sanctions on Indonesia.
    The cancellation hasn't been confirmed, it could potentially be fake news.


    Russia did not receive notification from Indonesia on Su-35 fighters
    Russia - Indonesia arms contracts - Page 6 1584087111_-35-14

    Indonesia has not yet notified Russia about the cancellation of the contract for the supply of the country's air force to 11 Russian Su-35 fighters. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to an informed source.

    According to the source, Russia did not receive any notifications from the Indonesian side about the termination of the contract for the supply of Russian fighters.

    There have been no notifications about this yet.

    - the agency quotes the source.

    On the eve of Bloomberg agency reported on the alleged decision by the Indonesian authorities to terminate the contract concluded in 2018 with Russia for the supply of 11 Russian Su-35 fighters in the amount of about 1.1 billion dollars. As explained in Bloomberg, information about this was obtained from a source familiar with the situation. The reason for the refusal was called US pressure on Jakarta with the threat of imposing sanctions.

    Meanwhile, the Russian Ministry of Defense informs that Russia and Indonesia have discussed the dates and venue of the Russian-Indonesian naval exercises Orruda 2020. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that relations between Russia and Indonesia in the military sphere and in the military-technical cooperation could reach a new level, the parties could sign a strategic partnership agreement.

    It should be noted that Indonesia has been purchasing Russian weapons for several years. Since 1992, Jakarta has received Su-27 and Su-30MK2 fighters and aviation weapons for them, Mi-17V-5, Mi-35P helicopters, BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles, BTR-80 armored personnel carriers, "hundredth" series Kalashnikov assault rifles . In April last year, a contract was signed for the supply of a batch of BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles and BT-3F armored personnel carriers.


    https://topwar.ru/168960-rossija-ne-poluchala-uvedomlenija-ot-indonezii-po-istrebiteljam-su-35.html

    Just like I predicted, it was fake news. The contract negotiations have been resumed, and likely will be implemented in the future.

    Military Review  news Indonesia plans to discuss a contract for Russian Su-35 fighters

    CAATSA killed Indonesia deal for Su-35. Indonesia is simply not a super power like China which can go up against America. America is the world bully. Think Nelson Mandela Muntz in The Simpsons.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:06 am

    Did you not read what you quoted?

    Specifically this at the end:

    Just like I predicted, it was fake news. The contract negotiations have been resumed, and likely will be implemented in the future.

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