A delay... must be incompetence or corruption... maybe they have forgotten how to build ships?
Or it might be their customer has requested a change that is going to require extra time.
Or perhaps a thousand other different things happened.
Get over it.
They already have PtG and several Slava class ships, they have more cruisers than the UK and France combined... not that they are being over used at the moment, but when the Kuznetsov is back in the water it will be likely they will want to take her out for tests and checks to make sure upgrades and improvements worked... and the same for the Nakhimov too.
not just this forum, many articles out there. just tieing up the slip for so long makes this non viable
You mean like the many articles on Putin using Novachok to kill his enemies at home and abroad... and failing spectacularly?
They should be able to build a clean sheet leider class in less then half that time.
Well if they can't upgrade a cruiser in 23 years then it will be 1,000 years before a from scratch cruiser could be built...
They just laid down two 40K ton helicopter carriers, but ships half that weight would be impossible...
If there's one thing Russian Navy has in abundance it's empty space because they they sure a shit don't have too many ships
Ships do not fall from the sky. Their new ships all seem to be very very good, though it takes time to get them to the point where they can start to produce them in useful numbers.
They seem to have tested their Frigates and Corvettes to the point where they should be able to ramp up production... once engines and things are fully sorted out.
Then they can focus on new destroyers and new cruisers, but making new destroyers and new cruisers makes no sense if you don't have corvettes and frigates defending your coasts operating and in place.... upgraded older ships reduce the urgency of new destroyers and cruisers so they can take the time to do a better job.
For all we know the delay might be a more power laser defence system for shooting down drones and missiles within 10km of the ship.
I expect them to start construction on a new nuclear battlecruiser around 2025 after the 4th nuclear icebreaker is launched.
I suspect the upgraded cruisers (two Kirovs and perhaps a couple of Slavas) delay the urgent need for brand new cruisers, but new destroyers would be more useful and higher up the list. A new destroyer could simply be a scaled up Frigate optimised to carry more weapons and bigger sensors, while a new cruiser is a further scaled up destroyer with a better layout to carry even more weapons and even larger sensors.
they hardly have modern frigates....they aren't going to start on a cruiser anytime soon.
The have the most modern and capable frigates available to any navy on the planet, their lack in number should be rectified because their modular design and significant production run in terms of numbers should enable them to be produced at a fair pace. Not China fast, but certainly faster than the UK or France...
The ship was docked awaiting repairs in 1999. That means the project started then, even if the work on the ship did not start, the engineering and planning started. You think they just show up and start cutting? You are beyond dumb if you think this project only started when the work started. Its been fucking YEARS. Yeah keeping a ship on slip or drydock has opportunity cost. You have no brains to figure out a shipyard costs a lot of money to keep open? Probably have clowns like you running this project thats why its such a cluster. Maybe they have no other use for the slip, in which case then can close it down and save money. A lot of hard core commies here that seem to have no idea how business works. WOW!!! Idiot after idiot. Guess what, delays in this project have impacted the PTG project ,you think that has no cost? What else could this fine facility have been used for? We will never know, that is what you call opportunity cost.
My friend and his wife were talking about having children for about 8 years before they started actually trying and it took an extra 4 years for anything to happen... they eventually had to get the assistance of a fertility clinic.
Does that mean it takes 12 years to make a baby? Are they fucking idiots too? How about the incompetent doctors and nurses helping them.... morons... the sky is falling... we are all doomed if it takes 12 years to have a baby... my god...
Will you people take a chill pill.
I mean I understand that Russia and all the invasions and naval blockades that they have been imposing around the world for the last 20 years of Putins iron rule means having this ship available to murder people and rain death on Russias enemies has been inconvenient and all the people who worked at that shipyard should be put to death... as well as any pets they might have owned.
Most of the new sensors they will be putting on the upgraded Kirovs and eventually the upgraded Slavas will be brand new or test systems eventually going to go on future cruisers they probably wont lay down for another 6-8 years at best. With two upgraded Kirov class ships and perhaps three upgraded Slava class cruisers they don't need brand new cruisers for 10-15 years anyway.
Destroyers will be more useful but even then they could be laying them down in 3-4 years time and everything would still be fine.
Right now it makes more sense to start making corvettes and frigates and fill out some gaps in most of the fleets and allow some older crap that needs to be retired get retired.
Brand new corvettes and frigates is a nice quick relatively cheap way of upgrading all their fleets rather rapidly... destroyers and cruisers are going to cost more and will take longer but essentially are just larger ships with more weapons and bigger sensors with bigger propulsion systems.
Is that all you can do, troll?
If there is no improvement in behaviour then breaks from teh forum might be a solution... they are clearly breaking rules and they both know it.
And they will complain that I am picking on them and it is because they don't love Putin that they are getting banned so it is really all just censorship... despite the rules about abusing other members and use of bad languages having nothing to do with Putin... suppose I should be relieved they are not blaming Russian hackers...
limb, you really need to learn how to read.
"They hardly "HAVE"
Have in this case means the possession, not designs. Christ, why do I need to explain grade school-level English?
How Gorshes do they have in the water and commissioned, just 1. So yes, they hardly have any modern frigates.
Before you call something retarded learn to read alright buddy
Actually the english language is very open to interpretation... you are not likely to accurately describe a situation where you say the bad guy in front of you is hardly armed because he only has one pistol pointed at your chest... especially if that pistol is one he made himself and is second to none despite being a third world illiterate idiot who sells fuel to make a living and doesn't make anything.
They don't have a lot in service, that is very true... a bit like the opposite of the F-35 where they have 500 odd produced... what did the English say... 90 K pounds per hour to operate and still not all the bugs worked out... but they made 500 of them...
The fact that you double-down on this nonsense is proof that you simply have no idea.
No, it proves he wants an argument and is more interested in appearing to be right than finding out the actual truth of the matter.