KomissarBojanchev wrote:No these big ships are in a drydock,
Not ships, only one ship. Single not plural. And that one is nearly useless (Lazarov). Lead ship (Ushakov) is completely useless (fried reactor)
KomissarBojanchev wrote:...better than being on the drawing board and then built for 10+ years by incompetents.
As opposed to being upgraded by incompetents? You do realize you are talking about same people here?
KomissarBojanchev wrote:....Except a brand new yasen sub only appears every 7-9 years or so. Compared to 5-6 years to upgrade nakhimov.
6 years at least and probably longer. As for Yasens last 5 were laid down in year long intervals. They will be coming online in similar tempo.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Yasen doesn't have area air defence
Doesn't need it, not in it's job description. It has bigger fish to fry.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Yasen can't protect task forces
Yes it can.
Also Russia still doesn't have any permanent task force to speak of.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Yasen is as vulnerable to US subs or even more due to lacking as plentiful anti-torp countermeasures and lacking escorts.
Yasen is one of best protected subs in existence. Where do you think Paket-M came from? And that is just stuff we know of.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Yasen has 2-3 times less UKSK cells
More than enough for it's intended job.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Yasen doesn't have radar
Subs don't need radars
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Yasen can't power project
Yes it can. Also, not it's job description anyway.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Yasens can't replace Slavas
Slavas are also irrelevant for Russian Navy when compared to nuclear submarines.
Now if they used money that would have been spent on upgrading Lazarev and spent it on frigates they would be able to purchase dozen of them easy thus creating those Task Forces you speak of.
Again, Lazarov loses out when faced with logic.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Lider still won't have the sheer firepower potential of a 1144
Says who? You?
According to current data Lider will have similar number of VLS cells to upgraded Kirov-class. This is not some big news.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:If the liders would start being built in 2024-25 only then it would make sense to throw away the kirovs.
That's exactly when they will start ordering Liders and when other 2 Kirovs will officially be scrapped. Nakhimonov and Peter the Great will get upgrades and resume service.