Aldin Abazović
‏@Ald_Aba
Large-scale drill of #NorthKorea long-range artillery M1989 Koksan, March 25
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JohninMK wrote:Pretty impressive!
Aldin Abazović
‏@Ald_Aba
Large-scale drill of #NorthKorea long-range artillery M1989 Koksan, March 25
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cea3k6LXEAEWJC0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cea3k3BXEAAwe5G.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cea3kzqWsAMHi1I.jpg
Dima wrote:Good![]()
Don't know how much it compares to the S-300 and upto which level it is in capablity. Btw, this was ridiculed when it was displayed in the parade as dummies.
d_taddei2 wrote:i was wondering what peoples views are on the North Korean air force, especially on the older stuff, such as:
Ilyushin Il-28 bomber
Nanchang Q-5 ( chinese variant mig-19 ground attack)
Chengdu J-7 Â (chinese variant mig-21 interceptor)
Shenyang J-6 (chinese variant mig-19)
Shenyang J-5 (chinese variant mig-17)
Su-7
North Korea still operate these in fairly high numbers
the il-28 bomber is see really on useful for dropping free fall bombs or mass area, roads etc, but the lack of height is a major draw back as well no real aircraft to protect it.
the Q-5 is still pretty capable ground attack for troop support.
J-7 still a decent cheap interceptor but would struggle against more modern aircraft.
J-6 and J-5 could be used for COIN operations, ground attack missions and attacking convoys, and are fairly cheap to run, but would be useless in poor weather/night, the J-6 is ideal for strafing runs as its armed with 3x 30mm guns and carry 250kg of rocket pods, and the J-5 also useful for strafing runs armed with 2x 23mm guns and 1x 37mm gun.
as for the Su-7 these yet again are really only as good as ground attack, and convoy attacks, armed with 2x 30mm guns but with a larger payload than the J-6, being able to carry 2,000kg of rockets and bombs,
the rest of the air force consists of Mi-2, Mi-24, Mig-21, Mig-23, and Mig-29, Su-25, and some L-39 of which these will be soviet models and possibly of base model.
whats your views?
sepheronx wrote:I wouldn't underestimate NK.
Essentially, many of the old components needed for the fighter jets to operate (old MiGs and J-7s) are probably replicated in NK by now. Â Artillery systems they seem to have somewhat down pat and their tanks are probably capable too. Â Of course their BM technology is outdated in its concept (heavily modified Scuds), but they too are a huge threat for S.Korea. Â Nukes they seem to have trouble with and of course their airforce is outdated, which would mean that it would be ideal for them to divert funds from the nuke program to possibly building facilities to do both research and development into building jets of their own. Â I cant see why they wouldn't be able to, as if they do enough in reverse engineering of the aircrafts that they have already in their arsenal, they could very well have all the technology and knowledge they need to replicate it all.
d_taddei2 wrote:when i was there and asked the question about their military they said most of their equipment they managed to maintain themselves i am guessing through reverse engineering, and some help from China, Iran, and Belarus. But their airforce is pretty dire. But you wouldn't want to attack via ground operations against NK and not just by the size of their armed forces but more to the fact of the terrain and they have the biggest bunker system in the world which also includes underground airfields. They also use a lot of fakes as well, and have supplies in bunkers to last 6 months all out war, this includes fuel, food and ammo. They also have produced their own lasers to blind pilots. Not sure how effective their tank upgrades are though.
as some mentioned above, about food and fuel, i would this isn't so true anymore, food is not an issue when i was there last year and fuel didnt seem to be a problem either but fuel is kinda expensive but i am guessing due to international oil prices being low this has helped them.
sepheronx wrote:That is true, and I feel that their priorities are not necessarily in place. Â I would state that they should use money to concentrate on things like alternative resources and building new plants/training new people to be able to build/make/design new, well, anything from electronics to airframe composite materials, etc etc etc. Â Benefit behind those is they can translate a lot of that tech to other sectors that could build themselves up.
But seems priorities are just no in place. Â Hopefully they will realize this.
sepheronx wrote:Bunker busters are fine, but I imagine against traditional bunkers which consists of standard cement. Â Although, I am not sure NK would put much emphasis on building materials, let alone on bunkers.
As well, I imagine they take international donation structures for a long ride in order to get free goods, as you mentioned. Â There is so little of news from NK that you have to be like d_taddei and actually go to NK in order to understand what is happening.
d_taddei2 wrote:first point i wanted to ask was the guy who you had contact with this college professor i presume he was in China at the time or did you meet him in person? as there is no internet in NK only intranet which only cover the country not outside.
Another point on food, there was abundance of food and not just in the capital i went to other cities and towns i was there for 10 days, and electricity wasn't problem, hydro electric dams are in use and more being built.
Food processing and farms were a plenty and in fact NK were changing some of their crops when i was their to maize as you dont need as much water for this compared to rice. tractors and farm machinery was present but i agree more are needed, but you have to remember every person in the country needs to spend 2 weeks a year helping farmers so there isn't a shortage of manpower. There was also many construction projects going on in the country everywhere i went builders were busy. Wind farms would also be ideal as mentioned, but one thing to remember is the current sanctions on the country which is probably the most brutal that has been placed on any country to date.
As for the bunkers, some are natural caves but many are also of a very solid construction, as for NATO and USA have capable bombs, yes they do have capable bombs but the problem is not the bombs but just how many they would need the bunkers stretch throughout the country and many under thick forest, NK have a policy which they make everyone turn lights off at night as they think it hampers satellites taking pictures of NK which may or may not hamper them or makes it harder to locate sites. Bunker busting bombs ain't cheap and it would be too costly even for NATO and USA to destroy them all by this method. And you also have dummy/fake sites as well would NATO and USA be willing to drop bunker bombs or other expensive bombs on something that might be nothing. I personally think a land assault would be suicidal for NATO and USA and South Korea. And you have to remember NK shares borders with China and Russia who would secretly help NK.
but dont get me wrong the armed forces and infrastructure and economy isn't brilliant but its doing better than the west would like it too and for that reason don't want to show that it is, and want to show a dire story which isn't true. NK are building there own cars have their own version of an Ipad which i am told is almost as good as one as the chinese wanted them because they were cheap but good, and to be honest they did look really good.
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