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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:39 pm

    What makes you think they are in good conditions ? They are just repainted for the picture. No one knows if they can fly.

    If russia hasn't upgraded syrian ones since the start of the war I doubt they upgraded those ones.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:53 pm

    Isos wrote:What makes you think they are in good conditions ? They are just repainted for the picture. No one knows if they can fly.

    If russia hasn't upgraded syrian ones since the start of the war I doubt they upgraded those ones.

    i would imagine that syria got help from russia in keeping the mig-23 flying considering the length of time usage of the mig-23 in syrian service

    when i was in North korea they flew quite few across the sky so obviously i cant talk for the whole fleet but they do still have some flying
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:26 am

    Isos wrote:What makes you think they are in good conditions? They are just repainted for the picture. No one knows if they can fly.
    They could edit pics with photo shop software, no need to paint the actual planes! But why bother, they have nukes & BMs to deliver them- those planes r not that important to showcase & advertise them as airworthy, even if they r not.
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    Post  medo Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:32 am

    I'm not surprized, that North Korea's MiG-23s are still flying. North Korea is functional state, who invest a lot in their military. Don't forget, that NK have common border with Russia. USSR have thousands of MiG-23/27 jets in armament, which was in production in eighties. When they retire them in early nineties, some didn't have 10 years, what means there were a lot of spare parts in warehouses for them. North Korea have no problem to buy large pool of spare parts for their MiGs and parts from canibalized ones in nineties. There weren't many users of MiG-23 around. Russia also made a prototype of modernized multirole MiG-23-98, where they could place new Zhuk radar or modernized Sapfir-23 radar. North Korea could in that time buy technology to upgrade Sapfir-23 radar with Baguet processors to improve their capabilities as well as for MiG-29 as North Korea well cooperate with Russia.

    https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/is-north-koreas-mig-29-fleet-growing/
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:34 pm

    medo wrote:I'm not surprized, that North Korea's MiG-23s are still flying. North Korea is functional state, who invest a lot in their military. Don't forget, that NK have common border with Russia. USSR have thousands of MiG-23/27 jets in armament, which was in production in eighties. When they retire them in early nineties, some didn't have 10 years, what means there were a lot of spare parts in warehouses for them. North Korea have no problem to buy large pool of spare parts for their MiGs and parts from canibalized ones in nineties. There weren't many users of MiG-23 around. Russia also made a prototype of modernized multirole MiG-23-98, where they could place new Zhuk radar or modernized Sapfir-23 radar. North Korea could in that time buy technology to upgrade Sapfir-23 radar with Baguet processors to improve their capabilities as well as for MiG-29 as North Korea well cooperate with Russia.

    https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/is-north-koreas-mig-29-fleet-growing/

    i quite agree, North Korea like China has shown that it can copy items quite and produce technology of its own and i am sure Russia during the 90's especially wouldnt have held back from supplying mig-23 parts along with mig-21, mig-29. However if they did upgrade their aircraft it would of course be quite limited. I agree though that north korean airforce is pretty weak especially interceptor role the mig-21/J-7 and mig-29 are only aircraft that stand a slight chance and would have depend on using huge numbers over high tech. most of there aircraft are really only useful for ground support role and nothing else. But if there ever was a war its airforce couldnt be ignored but probably wouldnt last long either, missile and chemical weapons and ground forces are the real threat. Ideally Russia could secretly set up mig-29M2 production without massive eyebrow raising or suspicion but anything beyond that like su-30 production in North korea fingers would point to china or russia. If North Korea upgraded its SU-25, and Mi-24, and replaced the rest with Mig-29M2 if would be a massive jump up and become a pretty decent threat.
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    Post  Isos Sun May 05, 2019 6:35 pm

    Interesting analyze about NK "iskander". New missile.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RocketSchiller/status/1125055393141542917
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    Post  George1 Sun May 05, 2019 8:19 pm

    Isos wrote:Interesting analyze about NK "iskander". New missile.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RocketSchiller/status/1125055393141542917

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    In addition, during the exercises, volleys of North Korean large-caliber MLRS - 240 mm MLRS arr. 1990 and new KPA armament into service in recent years, the supposedly 300-mm MLRS with guided missiles were made. Actually for this reason, the South Koreans recorded flights of rockets / missiles at a range in the range of about 70 to 200 km. The new rocket itself hit the target 220 km from the launch site, judging by the identification of the site of the defeat.

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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:24 pm

    North Korean analogue of the American missile system ATACMS

    On August 10, the DPRK conducted another missile launch, according to the South Korean military, two missiles were launched, the missile range was 400 km, and the maximum flight altitude was 48 km. But these were new missiles, along with the North Korean BRMD similar to the Iskander, now we have a North Korean missile similar to ATACMS.

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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:32 am

    North Korean super-large caliber rocket artillery

    Tests in the DPRK and the new large-caliber MLRS continue, on August 24, during new test launches, according to the South Korean military who tracked them, rockets flew about 380 kilometers and reached a height of 97 kilometers.

    Τtoday, according to established custom, the North Korean CTAC has published an official report and test photos of these large-caliber guided missiles. It seems that if in early August they tested a variant of this MLRS on a tracked chassis with six transport and launch containers, now it’s on a wheeled chassis and with four TPKs.

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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:31 am

    ^^^
    That monster definately deserves the title of the mother of all MRLS's Cool ...
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:13 pm

    New trials of the North Korean super-large caliber rocket artillery


    Judging by the new photos published by the Central Control Commission, the guided missile / rocket caliber is probably even somewhere around 600 mm here. According to South Korean data, they were able to track two shells flying about 330 km yesterday with a maximum height of 50-60 km. At the same time, one of the photographs shows three empty containers of four, that is, maybe this time they wanted to shoot everything, but on the third shell something went wrong. Well, that's the test.


    (first three photos in high quality)


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    Pyongyang, September 11th. / CCAC - Chairman of the Labor Party of Korea (TPK), Chairman of the State Council of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the DPRK, respected senior leader Comrade Kim Jong-un again supervised the on-site test firing of a super-large caliber rocket artilliery weapon.

    Dear senior leader, measuring the time of the combat deployment of a super-large jet weapon, he examined in detail the indicators that should be confirmed in this test shooting.

    Twice a test firing.

    Again, the test firing from a super-large caliber rocket artilliery perfectly corresponded to the purpose of the test shooting and served as a moment that clearly decides the direction of the next stage of improving the gun system.

    The respected senior leader noted that the aspect of combat operation, the feature of the flight orbit, the accuracy and the precise control function of the super-large jet weapon system were finally verified, and estimated that now it remains only to conduct test firing in bursts, which is the most distinctive feature of the power of the jet weapon.

    The esteemed senior leader praised the ardent patriotism of leading cadres, scientists and technicians in the field of defense science, who have achieved continuous and record successes in developing a system of super-large rocket weapons of our standard, and their fidelity to the party, and thanked them.

    The respected senior leader dawned on the next tasks and ways that arise in order to maximize the production of tactical control weapons of our type, including a super-large jet weapon, and to achieve the goals set at an ultramodern level in the field of defense science with a long and vigorous step.

    Together with a respected senior leader, the head of the KPA General Staff of the Army of the Army Pak Jung Cheong, cadres of the Central Committee of the party, including Kim Yong Chen, Jo Joong Won, Lee Byung Chor and Kim Jong Sik, and leading cadres of the field of defense science including Zhang Chan Ha, Jeong Il Ho and Zheng Son Il.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:08 pm

    that new MLRS is a beast i bed S/K are crapping it even with air defence you still dont want to be counting on it to hit these air defence aint 100%.


    I was looking at the N/K air force and although its pretty much obsolete it still has its uses. If the west ever tried to do a syria or libya type uprising then the air force would actually be fairly useful. I would imagine the north has made/copied spares as well as bought up any spares it could get its hands on (illegally). Looking at its inventory its hard to tell whats still flying and not and in what numbers but when i was in North Korea a few aircraft was seen flying and some sitting on airstrips looking in decent condition from L-39, Mig-15, to Mig-21/J-7.
    In a civil war type uprising (talking aircraft aspect only) the most useful aircraft would likely be the older more basic type aircraft mig-15, mig-17/F-5, mig-19/J-6, Su-7, Q-5/A-5, L-39, along with Su-25 and Mi-24, flying slower than the likes of Mig-21/J-7, Mig-23, Mig-29, they would make better ground attack and CAS/COIN/convoy attack type aircraft. the Il-28/H-5 is also worth a mention although large and fairly slow can carry more ordinance that majority of the others and N/K seem to have a large amount (although condition i dont know). Even Yak-18 have been seen armed.
    a quick breakdown as follows:

    Su-25- obvious choice for CAS would be interesting in N/K has made any homegrown upgrades
    Mi-24- obvious choice for attack heli although N/K only has around 20 or less.
    Mi-2- light attack heli could have upgrades missiles
    MD-500 (copy) - small, numerous light attack heli copied from USA MD-500 armed with AT-3 sagger.
    L-39- proved its uses in Syria cheap to maintain and fly, limited ordinance load.
    Q-5/A-5- dedicated ground attack aircraft/CAS, short range, likely in good condition with withdrawal of china's ones in service will likely free up spares for N/K
    Su-7- designated ground attack bomber 2x 30mm guns rocket pods, bombs,
    Mig-15- small, and armed with 2x 23mm guns and 1x 37mm gun and rocket pods, bombs
    Mig-17- (as above)
    J-6 (Mig-19) - 3x 30mm guns, bombs rocket pods.
    Yak-18 - Lightly armed turboprop fairly slow maybe used for COIN/recce.
    IL-28/H-5- medium bomber 2x 23mm guns (in nose) 2x 23mm (rear facing), 3,000kg of bombs, slow fairly large would have to fly high to avoid enemy AA. could be better if they had a similar system as Su-24 SVP/Gefest.

    so as you can see a large amount of aircraft for the role of ground attack (and thats not including Mig-21, Mig-23, Mig-29). In fact when you look at the older aircraft the Mig-15, Mig-17, J-6(Mig-19) their 3 guns would prove pretty lethal at straffing runs and add into the mix rocket pods (S-5) and convoys would be in real danger.

    of course this is only suitable in civil warfare/uprising scenario, whoever in a direct conflict with S/K & USA the N/k would be destroyed on the ground and any aircraft that did take off wouldn't in the air long. I wont cover N/K strengths in terms of conflict with S/K etc as t would take too long and i have briefly covered it in other posts. But on my visit there i could see why S/K and USA hasnt tried to go to war with N/K it would be a losing battle for S/K and USA.
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    Post  Isos Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:22 pm

    MLRS have nothing exeptionnal. Any country can make them. Even Serbia is offering a 280km variant with 4 rockets per truck.

    North Korean air force is pathetic. I can't figure out why you even think it maight be used for anything. They have low number of totaly outdated jets in service. They will be destroyed on the ground the first hour. In a civil war their primitive comms would be jammed and Stingers would make them eat the ground pretty easily.
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    Post  Viktor Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:18 am

    I suspect in an event of war NK airforce primarily use would be to identify targets and evaluate damage done by its artillery. Due to small geographical space of engagement

    NK tube and barrel artillery serves as a means of delivery ordinance quite well. They dont need expensive fighters to do damage to SK airfields as weapons such as KN-9 or this

    monster in coordination with its arsenal of ballistic missiles can bombard SK airfield and other hi value targets. Tube artillery can bombard any SK push into NK and its massive

    and hard to die army is there to make it happen.

    Basically all NK needs is well suited IADS and I suspect we will see it shortly arousing from Iranian experience.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:08 am

    Isos wrote:MLRS have nothing exeptionnal. Any country can make them. Even Serbia is offering a 280km variant with 4 rockets per truck.

    North Korean air force is pathetic. I can't figure out why you even think it maight be used for anything. They have low number of totaly outdated jets in service. They will be destroyed on the ground the first hour. In a civil war their primitive comms would be jammed and Stingers would make them eat the ground pretty easily.


    They said the same about Syria and it was still important in keeping them in the conflict. Not as low numbers as u think. Underestimating an enemy is a big mistake. North Korean comms and electronics is not as bad as you think. When I was there guides were buying up their homegrown iPad and selling in China like hot cakes one of the guides showed me one pretty impressive and they said almost as good as the real iPad. Now if they can do that for domestic market what can they do for military means the juche directive military first literally means that. As for stingers how many u seen in Syria and how many in nk service? Syrian terrorist have been getting backing from various countries yet no stingers. My comment if u read it stated in a civil war uprising scenario. L-39 have did reasonably well in Syria those old aircraft are pretty much the same in capability. As for all out war with sk I also answered that.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:13 am

    Viktor wrote:I suspect in an event of war NK airforce primarily use would be to identify targets and evaluate damage done by its artillery. Due to small geographical space of engagement

    NK tube and barrel artillery serves as a means of delivery ordinance quite well. They dont need expensive fighters to do damage to SK airfields as weapons such as KN-9 or this

    monster in coordination with its arsenal of ballistic missiles can bombard SK airfield and other hi value targets. Tube artillery can bombard any SK push into NK and its massive

    and hard to die army is there to make it happen.

    Basically all NK needs is well suited IADS and I suspect we will see it shortly arousing from Iranian experience.


    Yeah I was covering one aspect within a certain scenario. But on the aspects of artillery yes this a big strength for nk and it's vast bunker and cave systems, reinforced positions, fake structures and it's terrain (80% mountainous) works in its favour. Part of my military service was to study nk ex Soviet countries and having visited as well makes things clearer.
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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:50 am

    Large-scale exercises of the Air Force and Air Defense of North Korea (MiG-21, Mi-G-23, MiG-29, Su-25)

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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:21 am

    Tracked North Korean Super Large MLRS

    The first known tests of this system were in August last year, but then the transport and launch containers were partially oiled. This time, the photos were shown in full size and looked like a caterpillar version of the supposedly 600mm MLRS, at least the transport and launch containers and guided missiles / missiles look similar. It only bothers that the range of launches with wheeled MLRS reached 350-400 + km, and here the launch was 230 km.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:57 am

    To be honest they look a bit like S-400 missiles but with nose fins... used ballisticly and with a 150kg warhead with a range of about 400km but unguided... really makes me wonder what they would use such rockets against... I would expect a mass attack on airfields in Japan and South Korea might be a use but would be horribly inefficient... better off with low flying cruise missiles...
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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:53 am

    GarryB wrote:To be honest they look a bit like S-400 missiles but with nose fins... used ballisticly and with a 150kg warhead with a range of about 400km but unguided... really makes me wonder what they would use such rockets against... I would expect a mass attack on airfields in Japan and South Korea might be a use but would be horribly inefficient... better off with low flying cruise missiles...

    I doubt that these MLRS are such long range attack systems. They look more like regular MLRS with aggregated missiles. Instead of
    peppering with many small missiles, these systems send over much larger ones which translates into much more explosive force
    at each impact. So these systems appear to be designed to attack occupation troops who are heavily entrenched. Not just
    some half trained conscripts like in the Donbass cauldrons.

    But then, the question needs to be asked is why would occupation troops have so much time to entrench. So this may be an
    offensive system designed to be used in South Korea on hardened targets.

    NK really needs to get its nuclear warhead tech to the right level.
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    Post  Isos Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:54 am

    A rocket like that destroys a building in Seoul. It's a dissuasive weapon against south korea.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:59 pm

    Well that is the point isn't it... targets in Seoul... when attacking a city target a lot way away you need long range missiles and with long range missiles their accuracy wont be great so you need big bombs on each one to make sure each one has an effect... they are going to be big any way to get the long range.

    Effectively these are the 21st C equivalent of Scuds but only using conventional warheads so they have to be made in large numbers... hense four to a truck and 6 to a tracked vehicle... coming from different locations in relatively large numbers they would certainly keep SK air defences busy and could probably also target places like active airfields too, but it all comes down to accuracy... if they have Scud level accuracy then they will really need nuke or chem warheads... but modern missile accuracy and they could be used to target specific buildings and the ramp of an airfield...

    In terms of performance they need to be mass produced in very large numbers and deployment and coordination of launches would need to be pretty good too, but I don't think it would be beyond NK to manage making it an effective system.

    For the Russians the Iskander is already in service in numbers and as they expand its range its accuracy and ability to evade air defences means they wont need to target one target with hundreds of missiles at once.
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    Post  Isos Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:55 am

    Maybe they have sime sort of simple chinese GPS guidance to achieve less than 100m CEP.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:48 am

    For conventional warheads of less than 500kgs a 100m is a miss and would be useless unless you launched enormous numbers and got lucky.

    Being a straight ballistic missile Patriots and THAADS would actually be effective more often than not.
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:53 am

    GarryB wrote:For conventional warheads of less than 500kgs a 100m is a miss and would be useless unless you launched enormous numbers and got lucky.

    Being a straight ballistic missile Patriots and THAADS would actually be effective more often than not.

    They are meant to be launched in salvo so 100m is good. It's area/carpet bombing not precision strikes.

    Patriot and thaad would be overwhekmed. North Korea has plenty of other big rockets/missiles.

    How many systems do US have in South Korea ? 2 or 3 ?

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