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    Post  kopyo-21 Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:30 am

    The NK's budget is very tightly limited so they have kept focussing on what can well thread around: nuclear & IBM. I think if they have enough money to invest for aerospace industry, they at least can copy/produce Mig-21s or F-7s, not mention about the quality yet.

    Regarding to Mig-29, I still think Russia should keep its design to continuosly modernize and upgrade further (like F-16 family) instead of launching Mig-35. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing argument with Mig-35's performance but just think that Mig-29s with all improment would be better than it.

    For example, thank to the airframe design and lower thrust RD-33 engines, Mig-29s consume much less fuel than Mig-35s. With full internal fuel of ~4,500L (9-13) and 3 fuel tanks (2,820L in total), Mig-29s can fly 2,900km (3 fuel tanks contribute 1,400km). While with full internal fuel of 6,250L and 3 fuel tanks (3,515L in total), Mig-35s can fly 3,000km (3 fuel tanks contribute 1,000km). The Mig-35s is heavier, bigger, higher thrust and better thrush-to-weight ratio so consume more fuel. However the Mig-29's thrust-to-weight ratio as well as its maneuver capabilities still are well adequate for modern wars today.

    What they need to do with new Mg-29s are to replace new engines (keep max thrush at 8,300 kgf), remove the auxiliary air intakes to accommodate more fuel, replace main wings to add more hard points and fuel, strengthen the landing gears and airframe to increase the external load and max take-off weight, etc. The higher used composites will help it keep the empty weight at 11 tons like the 9-13 version. With all changes, the new Mig-29s suppose to have ferry range of 3,600-3,800km. New Mig-29 also can equip AESA radar, advanced elec-optronic, ECM, targeting pod and fifth-generation weapons, etc like Mig-35s.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:30 pm

    I'd say for DPRK (and other smaller countries) investing in producing UCAVs to leapfrog conventional 4, 4.5 gen types operated by wealthy countries would be the way to go.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:18 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:I'd say for DPRK (and other smaller countries) investing in producing UCAVs to leapfrog conventional 4, 4.5 gen types operated by wealthy countries would be the way to go.

    UAV's are one thing, manned aircrafts are another. Placing your entire bet on an aircraft that relies on just computers is a real bad idea. We seen what happened with RQ-160. It's fine to use as disposable, but it can also be used against you too through hacking methods.

    But yeah, having a unmanned aircraft is ideal for NK for some tasks, but manned is much needed in the future too for all nations. And those MiG-29's are long in the tooth. Not mentioning their other jets.
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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:47 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:I'd say for DPRK (and other smaller countries) investing in producing UCAVs to leapfrog conventional 4, 4.5 gen types operated by wealthy countries would be the way to go.

    UAV's are one thing, manned aircrafts are another. Placing your entire bet on an aircraft that relies on just computers is a real bad idea. We seen what happened with RQ-160. It's fine to use as disposable, but it can also be used against you too through hacking methods.

    But yeah, having a unmanned aircraft is ideal for NK for some tasks, but manned is much needed in the future too for all nations. And those MiG-29's are long in the tooth. Not mentioning their other jets.

    Good for what ?

    In a conventional war they will lose in the first week. The only thing that make them survive is that they can reach Seoul with artillery and that China could go into war with them. Their military don't matter at all. Drones or not, they don't have the capabilities to fight by their own US/south korea. Their missiles could be destroyed by S-300 VM if south korea was smart enough to buy them.

    And now that they are getting nuks even Chian could fuck them and let US attack them because they won't be their puppet anymore.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:01 pm

    Isos wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:I'd say for DPRK (and other smaller countries) investing in producing UCAVs to leapfrog conventional 4, 4.5 gen types operated by wealthy countries would be the way to go.

    UAV's are one thing, manned aircrafts are another. Placing your entire bet on an aircraft that relies on just computers is a real bad idea. We seen what happened with RQ-160. It's fine to use as disposable, but it can also be used against you too through hacking methods.

    But yeah, having a unmanned aircraft is ideal for NK for some tasks, but manned is much needed in the future too for all nations. And those MiG-29's are long in the tooth. Not mentioning their other jets.

    Good for what ?

    In a conventional war they will lose in the first week. The only thing that make them survive is that they can reach Seoul with artillery and that China could go into war with them. Their military don't matter at all.  Drones or not, they don't have the capabilities to fight by their own US/south korea. Their missiles could be destroyed by S-300 VM if south korea was smart enough to buy them.

    And now that they are getting nuks even Chian could fuck them and let US attack them because they won't be their puppet anymore.

    They have had nukes for years. And if US even attempted, South Korea and Japan will be hit hard, something both those nations don't want, thus they will press hard against US.

    Reason why China supported NK was a buffer zone. They already stated to US they will defend NK if the US attacks first.
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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:44 pm

    They have had nukes for years. And if US even attempted, South Korea and Japan will be hit hard, something both those nations don't want, thus they will press hard against US.

    Reason why China supported NK was a buffer zone. They already stated to US they will defend NK if the US attacks first.

    They were not able to send nuks on japan. Even on south korea its doubtfull. They have to make mini nuks for that. According to many official statements of CIA they are not able to do this.

    Once they will have true modern nuks capabilities they won't be a buffer zone for China anymore. Asian countries are not friends between them. They used to annexe each other. No one will die for the other if they don't have to. So most probably they will say to china "it was nice to meet you but we have take some distance".

    Idem for japan and USA. That's why USA and China don't really do whatever those countries want. China doesn't veto all sanctions against north korea and USA don't give all the military equipment to japan. They don't want them to be self sufficiant. North korea having nuks will change their relations with china. It's already happening for the olympic games, north ans south get close without the help of china or USA.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
    They have had nukes for years. And if US even attempted, South Korea and Japan will be hit hard, something both those nations don't want, thus they will press hard against US.

    Reason why China supported NK was a buffer zone. They already stated to US they will defend NK if the US attacks first.

    They were not able to send nuks on japan. Even on south korea its doubtfull. They have to make mini nuks for that. According to many official statements of CIA they are not able to do this.

    Once they will have true modern nuks capabilities they won't be a buffer zone for China. Asian countries are not friends between them. They used to annexe each other. No one will die for the other if they don't have to. So most probably they will say to china "it was nive to meet you bit we have take some distance".

    Idem for japan and USA. That's why USA and China don't really do whatever those countries want. China doesn't veto all sanctions against north korea and USA don't give all the military equipment to japan. They don't want them to be self sufficiant. North korea having nuks will change their relations with china. It's already happening for the olympic games, north ans south get close without the help of china or USA.

    Do you really believe what you type? China and Russia are both certain of NK nukes.

    You don't know the culture nor history, that's obvious. You also don't know what China has demanded or stated do you?

    And btw, US just threatened the norks today as is. US stated they will be holding drills with SK after Olympics. Things will go back to status quo.

    China was the one who supported NK in the conflict in the 50's. They will do it again too so long as NK doesn't start it. If you think otherwise, you are a fool.
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    Post  Guest Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:01 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    They have had nukes for years. And if US even attempted, South Korea and Japan will be hit hard, something both those nations don't want, thus they will press hard against US.

    Reason why China supported NK was a buffer zone. They already stated to US they will defend NK if the US attacks first.

    They were not able to send nuks on japan. Even on south korea its doubtfull. They have to make mini nuks for that. According to many official statements of CIA they are not able to do this.

    Once they will have true modern nuks capabilities they won't be a buffer zone for China. Asian countries are not friends between them. They used to annexe each other. No one will die for the other if they don't have to. So most probably they will say to china "it was nive to meet you bit we have take some distance".

    Idem for japan and USA. That's why USA and China don't really do whatever those countries want. China doesn't veto all sanctions against north korea and USA don't give all the military equipment to japan. They don't want them to be self sufficiant. North korea having nuks will change their relations with china. It's already happening for the olympic games, north ans south get close without the help of china or USA.

    Do you really believe what you type? China and Russia are both certain of NK nukes.

    You don't know the culture nor history, that's obvious. You also don't know what China has demanded or stated do you?

    And btw, US just threatened the norks today as is. US stated they will be holding drills with SK after Olympics.  Things will go back to status quo.

    China was the one who supported NK in the conflict in the 50's. They will do it again too so long as NK doesn't start it. If you think otherwise, you are a fool.

    They did make nuclear warheads that work, basic template exists, but their miniaturisation to be easy to deliver via missiles they developed is still an issue. Too bulky i guess would be the term Smile

    I personally dont think China would support today NK they did back in 50s, times changed, China is not anymore purely Red state, their economy relies on massive exports to Western world. What would happen if they intervened directly in NK in case of conflict between US/SK? I dont think they would rush on white horses to help Kim really, even China doesnt like many of NK moves though last 10-15 years, Hell they even banned certain technologies and components from export to NK.

    Again its my two cents on the matter.
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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:03 pm

    Yes they know they have nuks but they don't help them to get them or make them easier to develop them.

    And if you look at russian and chinese radars they are scanning each other and north korea. A neighbour country having nuks isn't a good news for anyone.

    They have to protect north korea only because of US expension. If there was no US expension or if tomorrow somehow US call back their troops from south korea and japan its China who will invade them for sure.

    No one knows what will happen on the long term. So if north korea have modern nuk weapons and south korea very good economy and they are again on country, it will be very bad for china and USA.

    You make that sound like chinese give a shit about north korea. They just support them to counter USA.

    And btw, US just threatened the norks today as is. US stated they will be holding drills with SK after Olympics. Things will go back to status quo.

    That's short term. On the long term it's not the same at all. South korea has to do what US wants. No choice.
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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:07 pm

    I personally dont think China would support today NK they did back in 50s, times changed,

    Nothing changed. USSR proposed a nuk attack on china to USA during their border crisis. Communist alliances are bullshit. Who would go for a WW3 to protect a dictator like kim.
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    Post  franco Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:29 am

    IMO the question here is does either China or even Russia want an USA controlled united Korea on their borders. This question dominates all political and military strategic planning.
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    Post  gaurav Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:34 am

    China was the one who supported NK in the conflict in the 50's.
    They will do it again too so long as NK doesn't start it. If you think otherwise, you are a fool.

    1953 Soviet help

    1953 it was the soviet air force , where as today it is Russ air force. Chinese are a force to day not then.
    MiG-15: Jet that shocked the West .
    Take the air battles of April 12,Single day 1951 in which the Americans lost 25 strategic bombers and around 100 airmen.
    That was called a “Black Day” and a week of mourning was declared in the USAF. And yet the Americans claimed they shot down 11 MiGs that day.

    “In reality,” says Kramrenko, “all our fighters made it home safely and only three or four MiGs had holes from the bombers’ machine gun fire.
    This was based on the fact that the Americans counted shot-down enemy planes based on camera gunshots. I guess the American pilots had
    counted me as shot down – and no less than two or three times.” The Americans, therefore, ‘downed’ more MiGs than the number that fought in Korea.

    The Russian side had a more foolproof system of recording kills. Pilots had to provide a clear and distinct camera shot and conformation
    from a search group, which was supposed to bring the debris of a downed enemy plane.
    A similar controversy involved the Australians, who dispatched their 77th Squadron of Gloster Meteors to South Korea.
    On a cold December day while flying combat patrol, the Russians led by Kramarenko encountered as many as 20 of these British built aircraft.

    It turned out to be black day for the Australians as the MiGs tore into the Gloster formations. Within seconds there were a dozen fires on the
    ground below – the wreckage of these hapless planes. There was a sole survivor who broke out of this hell to head home.
    Let him go home to his aerodrome and tell of the fate of the rest of his comrades who had wanted to wipe out a Korean town,
    AGAIN CNN/MSNBC ..
    Despite receiving such a mauling, the Australians believed they had shot down a MiG in this dogfight while losing only three of their aircraft.
    The Russians never encountered any more Glosters over the skies of Korea. In reality, the Australians were kept out of harm’s way by the Americans.

    The last restriction was crippling – it meant Russian pilots were prevented from giving chase to enemy aircraft. Since aircraft are
    at their most vulnerable while fleeing (because they have either run out ammunition, are low on fuel, or experiencing technical
    trouble), it meant Russian pilots were denied easy kills. Hundreds of western fighters were able to escape into South Korea
    because the Russians turned back as they neared the coastline or the border.

    Despite such limitations, Russia came out on top. According to Karamarenko, during the 32 months that Russian forces
    were in Korea, they downed 1250 enemy planes. “Of that number the (Russian) corps’ anti-aircraft artillery shot
    down 153 planes and the pilots killed 1097,” he writes. In comparison, the Soviets lost 319 MiGs and Lavochkin La-11s.

    The Russians nicknamed the B-29s “Flying Shacks” as these lumbering birds burned so easily and well.

    Former USAF pilot Lt-Col Earl McGill sums up the battle in 'Black Tuesday Over Namsi: B-29s vs MiGs':
    "In percentages, Black Tuesday marked the greatest loss on any major bombing mission in any war the United States
    has ever engaged in, and the ensuing battle, in a chunk of sky called MiG Alley, still ranks as perhaps the greatest jet air battle of all time."

    But most importantly, the bravery and skills of the Russian detachment to Korea may have prevented another world war.
    Kramarenko explains: “The B-29 was a strategic bomber, in other words, a carrier of atomic bombs. In a Third World War –
    on the brink of which we were – these bombers were meant to strike at the cities of the Soviet Union with nuclear bombs.
    Now it turned out these huge planes were defenceless against jet fighters, being far inferior to them in speed and armament.”

    But the situation in 2018 is very different. We really dont know how many missiles /weapons NK has .. and what is the political
    situation in U.S vis a vis the deep state
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    Post  Cyberspec Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:59 am

    gaurav wrote:But the situation in 2018 is very different. We really dont know how many missiles /weapons NK has .. and what is the political
    situation in U.S vis a vis the deep state

    Seems they have enough to deter this dysfunctional US government.. a lot of I Huff ...and...I Puff.

    Also, another problem they have is that the South Koreans don't look like they're too keen on sacrificing themselves for the sake of Trump's ego
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:44 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    gaurav wrote:But the situation in 2018 is very different. We really dont know how many missiles /weapons NK has .. and what is the political
    situation in U.S vis a vis the deep state

    Seems they have enough to deter this dysfunctional US government.. a lot of I Huff ...and...I Puff.

    Also, another problem they have is that the South Koreans don't look like they're too keen on sacrificing themselves for the sake of Trump's ego

    This

    Simple fact is, NK has enough weapons to really ruin SK's day and people generally do not want to die, especially when its someone else creating the situation in the first place.

    While SK and NK were communicating and willing to work with each other, the American's are trying to divert that from happening and are wanting a conflict to continue. They see this so they are wanting to prevent any work being done between NK and SK.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:13 pm

    Having read a lot about DPRK armed forces as well visiting country I can clearly say they wouldn't be a push over. Ok there navy and airforce isn't great and the navy could hold out for a short period their airforce is bad and could really only be useful in ground attack role.

    As for the army this is where there strength is. Not only is it massive the DPRK has the largest bunker system in the world then you have all the natural caves. 80% of the country is mountainous and their is large paddy fields which would be a nightmare for vehicles. They have also designed roads to be easily blocked by blasting huge concrete pillars strategically placed. They also have enough ammo food fuel in storage for at least 6 months of intense warfare and share a border with Russia and China which I am sure would secretly support them in war situation. Every man and woman spend hours every week training right up to retirement age. And you also have the youth groups being trained aswell. They also have shitloads of artillery pieces and most are protected by bunkers and they also build a lot of fakes to make it hard for foreign air forces to accurately target the real equipment. They have a large special forces as well. They also have the most dense air defence in the world--- ok the systems might be outdated but a lot are anti aircraft guns which cant be intercepted what you have is a shit storm of rounds flying in the air not great for any airforce. Then you have their nukes, various missiles and chemical and biological weapons. This all adds up to a nightmare. All these reasons are why they haven't been attacked not to mention that south Korea would be saturated in missiles and artillery some nuclear, chemical and biological. Mass death on South Korean soil. It's a million times worse than Vietnam.
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    Post  Dima Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:08 pm

    Few snaps from the above parade
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:52 am

    North Korea holds mass parade to celebrate Foundation Day

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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:32 pm

    New North Korean missile system

    Several photographs of the combat vehicles of the new North Korean ground-based anti-tank missile system, first demonstrated at the military parade held on September 9, 2018 in Pyongyang to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the proclamation of the DPRK.

    The combat vehicle of the complex is a lifting package of eight containers with sufficiently large missiles, placed on the chassis of the North Korean wheeled armored personnel carrier in the version with the formula 6x6.

    As one can judge, this system is a kind of analogue of the modern versions of the Israeli long-range anti-tank missile system Rafael Spike-ER and similar systems created in Japan (type 96), China (AFT-10), Serbia (ALAS), and the like. Presumably, the missile uses an electron-optical targeting head in combination with command guidance over a fiber-optic cable (the antenna of the radio command system used in Israeli Spike-NLOS is not visible on the launcher of the North Korean complex).

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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:33 pm

    Full video and more detailed photos of the parade held on September 9, 2018 in Pyongyang in commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the proclamation of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:17 am

    Is North Korea’s MiG-29 Fleet Growing?
    At least it's not shrinking for sure. They may get more capable MiG-35s instead of the more expensive Su-35s, esp. with reduced tensions with SK & US.
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    Post  George1 Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:42 pm

    Kim Jong-un carried out a sudden check of the combat readiness of the military unit No. 1017 of the Air Force and the anti-air forces of the Korean Peoples Army. Judging from the photographs provided by the agency, the pilots of this air regiment fly in Soviet-made MiG-29 fighters.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:27 am

    What they need to do with new Mg-29s are to replace new engines (keep max thrush at 8,300 kgf), remove the auxiliary air intakes to accommodate more fuel, replace main wings to add more hard points and fuel, strengthen the landing gears and airframe to increase the external load and max take-off weight, etc. The higher used composites will help it keep the empty weight at 11 tons like the 9-13 version. With all changes, the new Mig-29s suppose to have ferry range of 3,600-3,800km. New Mig-29 also can equip AESA radar, advanced elec-optronic, ECM, targeting pod and fifth-generation weapons, etc like Mig-35s.

    Just noticed this post from a while back and thought it was a bit odd...

    Why do you think you need to turn the MiG-29 into an Su-27?

    Why do you think a MiG-35 with less powerful engines would be better than a MiG-35?

    You do know the combat use of such aircraft involve trying to out manouver the enemy and therefore more engine thrust is actually a good thing most of the time even if it does burn a little more fuel in doing so.

    To be honest I rather doubt there is much difference between a 4th gen fighter and a 3rd gen fighter if they both have modern communications equipment and 4th gen weapons... a MiG-21 could easily shoot down an F-16 or an F-15 with an R-73... I wonder what will happen if a 3rd gen fighter like a MiG-21 is equipped with 5th gen air to air weapons. You could probably make a brand new MiG-21 for less than 20 million but it will be its operating costs that will make it vastly more affordable than any 4th or 5th gen type... it would probably be cheaper to operate than a USAF drone...
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:18 am

    i know these pics have been posted but heres a little info on them.

    still has IR type missile however now has double the payload with 8 missiles the missiles are believed to upgraded slightly but definitive details.
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    weighs only 44 tons which is pretty light, protection- sloped glacis plate, appliqué armour and ERA. night-vision systems, Infrared sensor, laser rangefinder and searchlight, equipped with 2 manpads and 2 ATGW the commander now has a twin barrelled 30 mm automatic grenade launcher. the turret has a coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun and 125mm gun. Its likely that soviet/russian ATGW can also be fired through the barrel.

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    Post  George1 Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:51 pm

    KPAF MiG-23ML Flogger in the new two tone grey camouflage scheme which is the new standard scheme for all KPAF MiGs and Sukhois.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:13 pm

    George1 wrote:KPAF MiG-23ML Flogger in the new two tone grey camouflage scheme which is the new standard scheme for all KPAF MiGs and Sukhois.

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    they look in good condition, and makes you wonder that over the years despite sanctions etc that Russia must have been helping with parts and repairs, i know the North koreans are good at over coming a lot things i saw a lot when i visited a few years ago just how the sanctions werent working and how innovative they are. And of course china have never used mig-23 so help was likely from Russia and maybe syria. I am sure if the north koreans weren't having to pump money into missile programs that they would have design their own aircraft albeit using designs and tech from other aircraft with likely upgrades built in.

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