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    Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates

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    Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates - Page 3 Empty Ukraine Agrees to Provide India With Engines for Russian Built Krivak Frigate

    Post  Pinto Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:41 am



    Krivak class frigates will be powered by M90FR gas turbines designed and built by Zorya-Mashproekt in Ukraine. Following the Russia-Ukraine conflict, Ukraine had stopped the supply of the engines.

    New Delhi (Sputnik) — India has convinced Ukraine to provide engines that can be fitted in the improved Krivak class frigates that India is to purchase from Russia. India's Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar said that a consensus had been reached with Ukraine for power plants to be fitted in the Russian made frigates

    . "Discussions started long back. The only problem was because of the Ukraine-Russia conflict as the ship's power plant is Ukrainian. Now, we will buy the power plant and fit it on the ship."

    During the India-Russia annual summit held in Goa earlier this month, an inter-governmental agreement was signed wherein it was stipulated that India would buy four improved Krivak class stealth frigates from Russia. The basic structure of two frigates has already been completed in Russia, while the other two frigates will be constructed at Indian shipyards with associated technology transfer.


    "All Indian equipment will be fitted on the frigate. So, it is a stealth variety where we are involved in the design," Parrikar said.


    It is expected that a brief discussion on the purchase of stealth frigates will be held during the Indo-Russian Inter Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation meeting scheduled for October 26 in New Delhi.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610251046722902-ukraine-india-krivak-frigate/
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    Post  Pinto Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:46 pm

    MOSCOW, June 30. /TASS/. Russia and India have specified the shipyards for building Project 11356 missile-carrying frigates intended for the Indian Navy, the press office of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation told TASS on Friday.
    The relevant contract on the purchase of missile frigates from Russia may be signed this year, the press office added.


    "The sides are taking efforts for signing the relevant contractual documents. We hope this to take place in 2017. Two frigates will be built in Russia at the Yantar Shipyard. The next two frigates will be built with Russia’s assistance on the territory of India at the Goa Shipyard specified by the government of the Republic of India," the press office reported.

    Russia and India signed a number of agreements in the military and technical sphere in October last year, including the agreements on the delivery of S-400 Triumf air defense missile systems and the construction of Project 11356 frigates for the Indian Navy.
    It emerged in 2016 that Russia was in talks with India to negotiate the sale of three other Project 11356 frigates earlier intended for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Two of them were laid down at the Yantar Shipyard on the Baltic coast in 2013.

    Project 11356 warships displace about 4,000 tonnes, develop a speed of 30 knots and have a cruising capacity of 30 days. Three such warships have been built for the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

    http://tass.com/defense/954113
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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:36 pm

    India will purchase two sets of gas turbines in Ukraine for the frigates of Project 11356

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2792425.html
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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:24 pm

    Two of the warships will be constructed at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad and the remaining two at the Goa Shipyard Limited (GSL).

    The new Grigorovich-class ‘Project 1135.6’ frigates will be powered by gas turbine engines to be supplied by Ukrainian firm Ukroboronprom’s Gas Turbine Research & Production Complex Zorya-Mashproekt.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-russia-likely-to-sign-warship-deal-at-modi-putin-meet-next-month/story-lXzM2tEq0iOPZiHKpdxaxH.html
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    Post  Pinto Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:38 pm


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65987809.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
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    Post  George1 Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:05 pm

    Indian shipyard GSL received a contract for the construction of two frigates of the project 11356 for the Indian Navy

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3515331.html
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    Post  Pinto Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:19 pm

    To be fitted with indigenous Brahmos, surface radar, sonar and communication systems.

    The Indian Navy is likely to get its first two advanced Talwar class frigates by 2022, following clearance of payments and key material procurements that will enable Russia’s Yantar Shipyard to commence full-scale work on the warship.

    The contract for new frigates – two of which are to be made by Yantar Shipyard and two by Goa Shipyard – was signed in October last year and technical work on the design has commenced.

    The advanced frigates will feature an indigenous surface surveillance radars, the HUMSA NG hull mounted sonar and the Brahmos anti shipping and land attack missiles. “Yantar Shipyard will deliver the two ships to the Indian Navy by 2022 as per the plans. We will also take an active part in the implementation of the next part, that is to make two more ships from scratch at the Goa shipyard. We will provide full technical assistance to the Indian yard for that,” said Efimov Eduard, general director of Yantar Shipyard. He said that advance payment for the work to commence is likely to arrive this month and the gas turbine engines that are to be fitted on the ships will be supplied by the Indian side before the end of this year. India had inked a $950 million deal in October last year for two warships to be made in Russia, followed by a $ 1.2 billion deal with Goa Shipyard for the balance two that will cost more.

    The reason for higher cost of the Indian made ships is that the Yantar yard has already fabricated two hulls for an abandoned Russian order that are being transferred.

    The Goa yard will also need to create infrastructure and obtain technology transfer to commence the work. As many as 22 indigenous systems have to be installed on the frigates that include navigation systems, weapons and sensors. “Based on our assessment, Goa Shipyard is ready for implementation of the contract and we will be sending our technical experts there by the end of this year or early next year to help start the project,” said Eduard. While the Russian side is confident of delivery by 2022, a lot of work is left on the two hulls at the Yantar yard that includes fitment of gas turbines, mounting of all systems and weapons and cable laying.

    The procurement of the warships – termed as Project 11356 in Russia – has been in the works since 2015 and had been hit by US implemented sanctions on weapons purchases from Moscow.

    India is likely to make payments for the ships using the rupee-rouble route, although a permanent way has been found.

    There had been initial discussions to involve the Indian private sector to build two of the ships domestically but the government took a call to nominate the state-owned Goa Shipyard for an additional order for two. India already operates six Talwar class frigates of a similar class but the new ones on order will be more advanced versions, fitted with Indian made equipment including sensors and communications. The Russian Frigates ·

    Project 11356 or Advanced Talwar class frigates designed to conduct operations against submarines, air targets and enemy surface ships. ·

    Two to be built at the Yantar shipyard in Russia, other two at the Goa Shipyard Ltd · Will add to the six Talwar class frigates already operated by the Navy ·

    To be fitted with the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile system ·

    The 4035 tonne vessel has a top speed of 30 knots, with an endurance of over a month at sea

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/indias-new-advanced-talwar-frigates-to-arrive-by-2022-after-payments-clearance/articleshow/70154404.cms
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    Post  George1 Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:59 pm

    India laid the second nationally built Project 11356 frigate

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4334791.html

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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:06 pm

    Contract NPKG "Zorya" - "Mashproekt" for the supply of gas turbines for Indian frigates of project 11356

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4391054.html

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    Russian Krivak IV stealth frigates - Page 3 Empty The 7th Indian Navy Frigate of P1135.6 class was launched on Friday (Oct 28, 2021), at Yantar Shipyard.

    Post  Sujoy Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:30 pm

    The 7th Indian Navy Frigate of P1135.6 class was launched on Friday (Oct 28, 2021), at Yantar Shipyard.

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    Post  Hole Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:06 pm

    Didn´t know that the Yantar yard is in Moscow. FT! Embarassed
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:39 pm

    Hole wrote:Didn´t know that the Yantar yard is in Moscow. FT! Embarassed
    Bad grammar in that article. Frigate was launched from Yantar. Indian Ambassador attended the ceremony virtually from Moscow.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:07 pm

    Anyway back to the point. New stern design in the 7th Indian Navy Frigate of P1135.6 class for housing the ATLAS Elektronik ACTAS activer/passive ultra low-frequency towed-array sonar suite:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCz6M6tVgAE79eZ?format=jpg&name=large
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:42 pm

    Pics of the launch of Tushil (ex-Adm Butakov)

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    Post  Arrow Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:45 pm

    But that's for the Indian Navy? This frigate could use the VMF..
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:41 pm

    Arrow wrote:But that's for the Indian Navy? This frigate could use the VMF..

    Russia can't use this one, it's Indian

    India can provide engines from 404, Russia can't

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:33 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Russia can't use this one, it's Indian
    India will receive Admiral Istomin next year. Maybe India will also purchase Admiral Kornilov.

    PapaDragon wrote:India can provide engines from 404, Russia can't
    Is the Russian Navy going to replace the Ukranian turbines with indigenous ones on their own frigates?
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    Post  hoom Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:31 am

    Did it get clarified if the engines got delivered to Kaliningrad or they're going to have to add them after the ships get to India?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:10 am

    Sujoy wrote:Is the Russian Navy going to replace the Ukranian turbines with indigenous ones on their own frigates?

    They will maintain currently in-service Ukropi MGTs but they won't replace them with domestic turbines. Russian MGTs will go into all new vessels. IIRC Russia has the infrastructure and supply base to maintain Ukrainian turbines and either service/repair or fabricate replacement parts for items such as blades and bearings so they can keep the existing units running.

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:19 am

    hoom wrote:Did it get clarified if the engines got delivered to Kaliningrad or they're going to have to add them after the ships get to India?
    The frigate was sent to Ukraine where it was fitted with the MGT before being sent back to Yantar.


    Big_Gazza wrote:They will maintain currently in-service Ukropi MGTs but they won't replace them with domestic turbines.  Russian MGTs will go into all new vessels.  IIRC Russia has the infrastructure and supply base to maintain Ukrainian turbines and either service/repair or fabricate replacement parts for items such as blades and bearings so they can keep the existing units running.
    What about Admiral Kornikov, the now under construction Grigorovich class frigate? Will it retain the MGT or will it get a Russian turbine?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:55 am

    https://www.eurasiantimes.com/big-news-india-buys-majority-stakes-in-ukrainian-engine/amp/


    Admiral Grigorovich stealth-guided missile frigates are under construction in Russia but are powered by Ukrainian engines. The ongoing war had put India in a Catch-22 situation and delayed the two remaining ships in the class.

    The situation will be remedied soon as Kalyani Strategic Systems (KSSL) has acquired a majority stake in the Indian arm of Ukrainian Zorya Mashproekt. The Ukrainian firm manufactures the engines for the Admiral Grigorovich class frigates, among other things.


    What is the goal of this?

    Everything produced in Nikolaev will be destroyed. After the war Russia will not rebuild a strategic firm to give to India.

    Especially if, as the article mentioned, India does not want anymore to buy warship from Russia.


    These two frigates will be the last Indian Navy warships constructed at a foreign shipyard. The Indian Navy presently has 68 warships valued at Rs. 200 000 crores ($2.5B) on order.

    After the delivery of the frigates by Russia, the navy will have all its warships constructed at Indian shipyards. Hence, the acquisition of stakes in the Zorya Mashproekt will be a shot in the arm for the Indian shipbuilding industry.

    Six frigates of the Talwar class are already in the Indian Navy, and all are powered by Zorya Mashproekt engines.

    Zorya Mashproekt India Private Limited (ZMI) is a private limited company that helps India build indigenous capability to build, repair, and overhaul all types of gas turbine engines. ZMI is a pre-revenue company incorporated on August 12, 2022, and has had no turnover since inception.

    The war between Ukraine and Russia could hazard the operational readiness of the Indian Navy. ZMI is a key player in the Indian defense sector and develops and services gas turbine engines that power various naval vessels. The setting up of the Indian branch has been an elegant solution to the messy situation created by the ongoing war.

    What they will do next? They will buy Antonov and Motor sich?

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:44 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:What is the goal of this?
    Everything produced in Nikolaev will be destroyed. After the war Russia will not rebuild a strategic firm to give to India.
    Especially if, as the article mentioned, India does not want anymore to buy warship from Russia.

    Zorya Mashproekt India Private Limited (ZMI) is a private limited company that helps India build indigenous capability to build, repair, and overhaul all types of gas turbine engines. ZMI is a pre-revenue company incorporated on August 12, 2022, and has had no turnover since inception.

    What they will do next? They will buy Antonov and Motor sich?
    This seems to be some sort of shell company. I wonder what assets it is supposed to have. I would assume this is India trying to buy some kind of engine maintenance facilities in India from Zorya-Mashproekt. Or it could be Ukraine selling its crown jewels to try to get more money for the war. Like they have been doing selling farmland to US agrobusiness for peanuts.

    It would be interesting to know more details.

    Seems they have a webpage:
    https://zoryaindia.com/

    But it looks like some sort of elaborate scam to get cash to me.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 09, 2024 2:37 am

    I suspect Russia agreed to build the ships for India and India negotiated with Ukraine for the propulsion systems.

    If India still wants the ships Russia will have built their parts and if India has problems getting equipment from Ukraine that is not Russias problem.

    India really has to decide how it wants to proceed... pay Saturn to make the equipment it needs which might take time, or give up and sell it to Russia who might pay Saturn to make the required equipment.

    Either way there might be delays.

    Russia might get a cheap relatively modern ship or not.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:25 am

    GarryB wrote:I suspect Russia agreed to build the ships for India and India negotiated with Ukraine for the propulsion systems.

    If India still wants the ships Russia will have built their parts and if India has problems getting equipment from Ukraine that is not Russias problem.

    India really has to decide how it wants to proceed... pay Saturn to make the equipment it needs which might take time, or give up and sell it to Russia who might pay Saturn to make the required equipment.

    Either way there might be delays.

    Russia might get a cheap relatively modern ship or not.

    Well, as long as some Indian company then will not start complaining and asking Russia for money or Saturn IP because either Zorya does not exist anymore or a new branch/spinoff/joint venture of Saturn/Zvezda has been built in its place after the end of the SMO.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 10, 2024 2:32 am

    That is why I don't think Russia should try to revive companies like Antonov and Motor Sich etc etc, because really Russia has nothing at all to do with them or the contracts they have been making the last 34 years.

    If India has a problem they can talk to Zelensky who will likely spend most of the meeting asking for cash from them... it is not Russias problem... India could have asked for and paid for Russian replacement engines if they wanted to... it is not like they have never had to wait for a ship before...

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