



bhramos wrote:Inside Akula-II [New]
Big_Gazza wrote:..............
Not at all convinced about Izvestia claims the Leopard & Volk will be brought to near Yasen capabilities, but if the rebuild is extensive enough they could be extremely effective boats, even against USN Virginias & Seawolf.
miketheterrible wrote:Uh oh
https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/928371678387818499
Looks like India is handingnout Russian secrets to US.
PapaDragon wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Uh oh
https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/928371678387818499
Looks like India is handingnout Russian secrets to US.
Akula "export" version. Big deal. Goes to show that they should never waste time on India and their bullshittery.
Honestly I am surprised that Yeltsin did not deliver to USA blueprints for these things long ago.
And these are same dipshits that claimed that they will rent Severodvinsk SSGN?
Doubt there is any real harm done other than to Indian already non-existent reputation.
Still time to add certain Indian neighbor to Iskander export list and give them nice startup discount. Fair is fair.
miketheterrible wrote:PapaDragon wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Uh oh
https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/928371678387818499
Looks like India is handingnout Russian secrets to US.
Akula "export" version. Big deal. Goes to show that they should never waste time on India and their bullshittery.
Honestly I am surprised that Yeltsin did not deliver to USA blueprints for these things long ago.
And these are same dipshits that claimed that they will rent Severodvinsk SSGN?
Doubt there is any real harm done other than to Indian already non-existent reputation.
Still time to add certain Indian neighbor to Iskander export list and give them nice startup discount. Fair is fair.
it's a Russian akula as it is leased to India. India doesn't actually own the vessel.
Although, even though the US had a chance to see the inside, it doesn't make a difference as the only way to learn of ships weakness is through schematics. Which India doesn't have. But the part of the agreement signed was no foreign specialists onboard. Which India broke directly which means Russia can go after India legally.
In this case, its best Russia sells India basic and export only equipment. Ones that they don't care if US gets hands on. Cause otherwise, India is very untrustworthy
kvs wrote:miketheterrible wrote:PapaDragon wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Uh oh
https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/928371678387818499
Looks like India is handingnout Russian secrets to US.
Akula "export" version. Big deal. Goes to show that they should never waste time on India and their bullshittery.
Honestly I am surprised that Yeltsin did not deliver to USA blueprints for these things long ago.
And these are same dipshits that claimed that they will rent Severodvinsk SSGN?
Doubt there is any real harm done other than to Indian already non-existent reputation.
Still time to add certain Indian neighbor to Iskander export list and give them nice startup discount. Fair is fair.
it's a Russian akula as it is leased to India. India doesn't actually own the vessel.
Although, even though the US had a chance to see the inside, it doesn't make a difference as the only way to learn of ships weakness is through schematics. Which India doesn't have. But the part of the agreement signed was no foreign specialists onboard. Which India broke directly which means Russia can go after India legally.
In this case, its best Russia sells India basic and export only equipment. Ones that they don't care if US gets hands on. Cause otherwise, India is very untrustworthy
You are right they aren't. The two-seater PAK-FA fiasco was giving us a hint of their mentality. From all the yapping you
would think that India funded the PAK-FA project itself. They want the latest and the greatest for cheap. Russia should
do as the US with the F-22 and simply refuse to export it or work on any derivative projects. For some reason everyone
and his dog thinks Russians are stupid.
Besides the point where they went or had access to. Political fallout is still the same if true.SeigSoloyvov wrote:kvs wrote:miketheterrible wrote:PapaDragon wrote:miketheterrible wrote:Uh oh
https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/928371678387818499
Looks like India is handingnout Russian secrets to US.
Akula "export" version. Big deal. Goes to show that they should never waste time on India and their bullshittery.
Honestly I am surprised that Yeltsin did not deliver to USA blueprints for these things long ago.
And these are same dipshits that claimed that they will rent Severodvinsk SSGN?
Doubt there is any real harm done other than to Indian already non-existent reputation.
Still time to add certain Indian neighbor to Iskander export list and give them nice startup discount. Fair is fair.
it's a Russian akula as it is leased to India. India doesn't actually own the vessel.
Although, even though the US had a chance to see the inside, it doesn't make a difference as the only way to learn of ships weakness is through schematics. Which India doesn't have. But the part of the agreement signed was no foreign specialists onboard. Which India broke directly which means Russia can go after India legally.
In this case, its best Russia sells India basic and export only equipment. Ones that they don't care if US gets hands on. Cause otherwise, India is very untrustworthy
You are right they aren't. The two-seater PAK-FA fiasco was giving us a hint of their mentality. From all the yapping you
would think that India funded the PAK-FA project itself. They want the latest and the greatest for cheap. Russia should
do as the US with the F-22 and simply refuse to export it or work on any derivative projects. For some reason everyone
and his dog thinks Russians are stupid.
There is no such thing has akula "export" model that akula was a standard one leased to India.
That said, assuming this true (because just because someone says something on tumblr doesn't make it true") this would depend where the indians let them go in the sub only certian areas of the sub would be "secert" stuff like crew quarters is harmless.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:There is no such thing has akula "export" model that akula was a standard one leased to India.
Big_Gazza wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:There is no such thing has akula "export" model that akula was a standard one leased to India.
Nerpa/Chakra appears to have been nerfed, eg SOKS sensors have been removed from the exterior.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Depends if nothing was added in place, I do not have access to information regarding that submarines specifics.
The Chakra is an Improved akula which is one of three total the Russians built. I'd need to see alot more design specifics to say it was downgraded. Since that would be hard to do in the short time the Russians worked on it considering it seems to take them over 6 years to modernize a single submarine. I have great doubts it was downgraded since that would involve swamping most of the subs inner parts and equipment with lesser ones.
miketheterrible wrote:India doesn't have the blueprints to this. Its leased, not sold.
PapaDragon wrote:miketheterrible wrote:India doesn't have the blueprints to this. Its leased, not sold.
And it's staffed by Indians who are not immune to cash.
miketheterrible wrote:PapaDragon wrote:miketheterrible wrote:India doesn't have the blueprints to this. Its leased, not sold.
And it's staffed by Indians who are not immune to cash.
true.
Tingsay wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Depends if nothing was added in place, I do not have access to information regarding that submarines specifics.
The Chakra is an Improved akula which is one of three total the Russians built. I'd need to see alot more design specifics to say it was downgraded. Since that would be hard to do in the short time the Russians worked on it considering it seems to take them over 6 years to modernize a single submarine. I have great doubts it was downgraded since that would involve swamping most of the subs inner parts and equipment with lesser ones.
It is downgraded.
If it wasn't, is it even possible to lease or lend it legally?
IIRC Russia has laws against this because they have foreseen stuff like this happening.