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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:24 am

    About Russian AD effectiveness- Russians don't have proper AD coverage over whole Syria not to mention they will undoubtedly avoid targeting even a drone that could belong to US/Israel. Even Turkish jets might get away with it. There is unwritten rules all big players are bound to well except crazy turkey. Radar coverage is a bitch in Syria too. As we seen with Tomahawk strikes that US had to fly around Russian AD coverage just in case Putin throws a hissy fit. But I firmly believe they could have flown under russian noses and nothing would have been done.
    To sum everything AD network is more like AD cobwebs left and right.
    Israel is using lack of Syrian AD to strike targets(Russians won't touch them) and interfere with power balance. With Trump they are even more eager to pull these stunts.
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    Post  starman Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:49 am

    Erk wrote:
    I would agree with you except Moscow called in the Israeli ambassador last month, after the previous airstrike on Syria, and warned them to stop it.

    To no avail. Russia should now do something to show it means business like extending SAM-400 coverage to Damascus.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:00 am

    Yet more of Syria's infrastructure heading for Turkey

    arek_oo7 11h11 hours ago

    The so called "rebels" and "revolutionists" terrorists in Syria stealing railway tracks and selling them as metal scrap in turkey :


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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:34 am

    Same was seen after Soviet Union collapsed and in Ukrainian war today. There is always opportunists like these lining their pockets. I can only hope money earner goes to buy villa in Antoliya rather then more weapons
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:44 am

    starman wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    I would agree with you except Moscow called in the Israeli ambassador last month, after the previous airstrike on Syria, and warned them to stop it.

    To no avail. Russia should now do something to show it means business like extending SAM-400 coverage to Damascus.

    Israel was was warned not to endanger Russian troops again, not to stop ops over Syria.

    Russia already showed it means business. This is between Iran and Israel.

    Current S-400 coverage is more than enough to facilitate Russian needs.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:00 pm

    Hotting up on the border, looks increasingly like a plan to relieve the Kurds pressure on ISIS. Really good shooting of a radar in the twitter link.

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    Post  MMBR Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:57 pm

    Hoprfully isis will still loose raqqa
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:03 pm

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    starman wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    I would agree with you except Moscow called in the Israeli ambassador last month, after the previous airstrike on Syria, and warned them to stop it.

    To no avail. Russia should now do something to show it means business like extending SAM-400 coverage to Damascus.

    Israel was was warned not to endanger Russian troops again, not to stop ops over Syria.

    Russia already showed it means business. This is between Iran and Israel.

    Current S-400 coverage is more than enough to facilitate Russian needs.

    If Putin is smart, which is he not, he would tell Netanyahu Syria is a Russia proxy. Russia controls what Syria does. With Russia supplying arms to Syria and Hezbollah, Russia can stop Syria and Hezbollah from attacking Israel. Win win win Russia Israel Syria. But of course, Putin is dumb, that's why Yanukovych fled to Russia for his life and Putin is still stuck in Syria quagmire.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Hotting up on the border, looks increasingly like a plan to relieve the Kurds pressure on ISIS. Really good shooting of a radar in the twitter link.

    pyd rojava‏ @PYD_Rojava

    YPG forces target Turkish army positions on the #Turkey-#Rojava border following clashes near Gire
    Spi [Tel Abyadh]
    #NoFlyZone4Rojava


    https://twitter.com/PYD_Rojava/status/857652970351099904


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-b0QM2U0AAIdJ3.jpg

    If YPG have any brains in their heads they will drag this thing as long as physically possible because once Raqqa falls Kurds are all shish-kebab
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    Post  MMBR Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:33 pm

    You mean usa will ditch kurds once isis defeated and let them be crushed between turkey in syria and shite iraq?

    Im not so sure .....foatering the kurds helps to fragment and weaken states aligned with iran ... might not want to give that up .... i think israel has been flying supplies and helping kurds in iraq for years 


    Israel seems eager for iran aligned states and organisations to be destroyed and trumps son in law is jewish i think and is conducting review of middle east policy

    A few months ago wasnt america ok with killing turkey president and putting in another ? Things can change ....
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:07 pm

    MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:You mean usa will ditch kurds once isis defeated and let them be crushed between turkey in syria and shite iraq?

    Im not so sure .....foatering the kurds helps to fragment and weaken states aligned with iran ... might not want to give that up .... i think israel has been flying supplies and helping kurds in iraq for years 


    ....]

    A few months ago wasnt america ok with killing turkey president and putting in another ? Things can change ....

    Kurds are hardly indispensable. Between Turkey and Kurds, USA will always pick Turkey.

    As for Iran, their Kurdish issue is trivial so again, not worth the hassle. For USA Kurds have more value as sacrificial meat to please Turks than as long term investment.

    And EU will be back on board the moment those 3 million refugees get the go ahead from Ankara to start swimming across.
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    Post  Benya Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:19 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Syrian War: News #12 - Page 24 C-fr5W2WsAAX7cF

    I'm not sure about how strong ISIS defenses in Tabqa are, but I'm sure that it will be a tough nut to crack, and YPG will have to deal with numerous casualties in order to fully liberate the town.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:58 pm

    Benya wrote:

    I'm not sure about how strong ISIS defenses in Tabqa are, but I'm sure that it will be a tough nut to crack, and YPG will have to deal with numerous casualties in order to fully liberate the town.
    Not sure if their is any route out for ISIS other than the heavens. I can't somehow see a column of surrenderees filing out, although it would have a hell of an impact on ISIS elsewhere. Methinks that the SDF will not be showing any mercy given the past and anyway its a long way to the Israeli hospitals.

    As you say it will be tough and probably a serious wakeup call for the Kurds (or Arab army as the US military loves to call them in Congress) prior to the carnage that will follow in Raqqa. Given there is no historical Kurd involvement in the area either they are being paid a very large amount of money by the US etc or they are crazy, or both, or they believe US promises of a state of their own, which comes under the crazy category.
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    Post  eehnie Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    starman wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    I would agree with you except Moscow called in the Israeli ambassador last month, after the previous airstrike on Syria, and warned them to stop it.

    To no avail. Russia should now do something to show it means business like extending SAM-400 coverage to Damascus.

    Israel was was warned not to endanger Russian troops again, not to stop ops over Syria.

    Russia already showed it means business. This is between Iran and Israel.

    Current S-400 coverage is more than enough to facilitate Russian needs.

    Bolded parts are false.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:28 pm

    eehnie wrote:.......
    Bolded parts are false.

    Whatever floats your boat... Rolling Eyes



    Also:

    Iraq and Syria Team Up to Take on the Islamic State

    Baghdad's war strategy is becoming increasingly independent of the United States

    http://warisboring.com/iraq-and-syria-team-up-to-take-on-the-islamic-state/
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    Post  eehnie Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:03 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    crod wrote:Israeli's at it again...relentless

    Massive explosion near Damascus International Airport

    How do Israel get away with it?

    Are the air defenses put in by Russia so ineffective?

    FFS, how many times must you people be told?  Russian air defences are situiated at Russian bases.  They are NOT used for defense of Syrian cities or military bases.

    If I have to read one more clown disparaging Russian SAMs because the Ziostani criminals blow something up, I think i'll explode....

    I would agree with you except Moscow called in the Israeli ambassador last month, after the previous airstrike on Syria, and warned them to stop it.


    Both right. Syria has its own air defense that Russia is also supplying. The attacks to Syria will be answered by Syria.
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    Post  eehnie Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:22 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    BKP wrote:It really looks like Turkey is doing the opposite of punching above its weight class in Syria. Gotta be emboldening its foes.

    Perhaps a good thing. It either sedates Erdogan and the ruling party or makes them more prone to brash responses. Since the main topic that ails them is the Kurds, not necessarily the rebel front/Assad/Russia then we can expect only "positive" outcomes - in my opinion. Anything that makes Turkey clash with the U.S in the Kurd arena is good not only for Syria at large but for Russia and Iran. NATO allies with different strategic goals going at it - dream come true. The problem is that the "skirmishes" (if you can even call them that) are so low intensity it's depressing. That's how much the Turks respect their master.

    This would be a lovely outcome by the way:

    https://komnews.org/ypj-spox-will-withdraw-raqqa-us-doesnt-show-concrete-reaction-turkey-airstrikes/

    “The is unacceptable in international law. If the USA or coalition or the US [State Dept.] spokesperson can only say, ‘We are concerned or we are unhappy’ [about Turkey’s airstrikes] then we will not accept this. If this is the reaction, we do not accept it. It means they accept what was done to us,”

    Sucks for the Kurds being sacrificial lambs of Turkish bombs but, at least in a general context it will completely disrupt american plans of slicing and dicing and it will reshuffle the cards if you will.

    The Turks need to act decisively however; otherwise the U.S will merely reinforce the Kurds with troops spread out and undercut Turkish ability to operate - creating a shield of sorts. A slim chance still exists for the Turks to act, provided they're ready to bear the full consequences of disobeying their master. Information warfare would be the least of their worries of what comes next...economic warfare/terrorism.

    The attacks of the Turks to the Kurds kill the attack of the Kurds to Raqqa.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:17 pm

    Rat on rat.


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    Post  calm Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:19 am

    Turkey, give up already.
    Assad will stay
    Kurds will stay



    Tal Abyad
    Turkey soldiers removed parts of the border wall at Tal Abyad to enter
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    US troops moving to the border between Turkey and YPG held areas in order to stop Turkish aggression.

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    YPG and US Forces monitoring the border with Turkey, Tal Abyad.
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    lol1
    looks like hashtag worked
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    Post  Vann7 Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:38 am



    This is my Evaluation of Syria future and is not good.. wall of text:

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:52 am

    calm wrote:Turkey, give up already.
    Assad will stay
    Kurds will stay



    Tal Abyad
    Turkey soldiers removed parts of the border wall at Tal Abyad to enter
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    US troops moving to the border between Turkey and YPG held areas in order to stop Turkish aggression.

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    YPG and US Forces monitoring the border with Turkey, Tal Abyad.
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    lol1
    looks like hashtag worked
    #NoFlyZone4Rojava
    https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoFlyZone4Rojava?src=hash
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    I don't think it's laughable. This shows the U.S is committed to slicing and dicing Syria 100% (which is not a good thing). The same thing they're doing with the Kurds they can do it in the South with the "moderate rebels". If the Turks would find some balls, we would see escalation. Getting no respect from the U.S for their interest. Talk about allying with the devil - by the balls.

    Using american troops as human shields sets a horrible precedent. Like I said previously, if the Turks don't act decisively and soon (and I see no news of MAJOR troop movements to the Syrian border), they'll have to deal with the Kurds in 10-20 years - don't discount a civil war inside Turkey.

    The Kurds are a geopolitical weapon for the U.S. People need to see them clearly for what they are - a weapon. The Kurds will be used to threaten a sliced Syria (post war), (threaten to slice Turkey with unrest - thus forcing into compliance and puppetry), Iraq (same), Iran (same) - if you allow the U.S to create another puppet (Kurdistan) state ala Israel. Working under the assumption that it will never ever happen is a false assumption - specially considering how far the U.S have gone and how much treasure, blood, and sweat it has spent trying to control the region - and it's not for a reason.

    You don't make deals with the devil. For the devil is a backstabbing son of a bitch.
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    Post  starman Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:33 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Both right. Syria has its own air defense that Russia is also supplying. The attacks to Syria will be answered by Syria.

    But it's too risky to confront Israel, especially under these conditions, without a major power backing them up. If the Russians are only there to fight regime enemies so Israel retains carte blanche to attack around Damascus, no wonder Syria has shown such restraint. If the internal mess in Syria is ever cleaned up, so the only remaining enemy is Israel, the Russian presence will have no point unless its policies and priorities change.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:01 pm

    Its Sputnik and an off the record source but you will find some gems in this. In particular, the Kurds currently have the US over a barrel, not a position the US is used to or will tolerate for long.

    The Syrian city of Raqqa remains occupied by Daesh terrorists since early 2014. The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) with the backing of a US-led international coalition is set to storm Raqqa and liberate it next month. It has been reported that US tanks will be used during the battle. A representative of the command of the Syrian Democratic Forces, who wished to remain anonymous, told Sputnik Arabic that the US had recently delivered heavy weapons and tanks to the SDF.

    “Two days ago, as part of the upcoming battle against Daesh the US sent us tanks and heavy weapons. The armament was delivered to Rojava [Kurdish de facto autonomous region in northern Syria]. It arrived on wagons through the territory of northern Iraq, through the border crossing point Semelka,” the source said. From there, the armaments were brought north of Raqqa. “The tanks we received from the US, we intend to use during the storming of Raqqa next month. Previously, we had tanks but in small numbers and unlike those supplied by America, those were not in the best condition,” he said.

    The representative of the Syrian Democratic Forces further stressed that, in case of a repeated attack by the Turkish armed forces, the SDF troops would be forced to cease the operation for the liberation of Raqqa. “If Turkey continues to attack us, we will be forced to suspend the operation in Raqqa and move to the defense of our territories. Currently, we are meeting with the coalition forces in order to prevent a possible recurrence of attacks from Turkey,” the source told Sputnik. He added that SDF has warned the coalition saying that in the event of a second attack, the troops would redirect all of the forces concentrated in Raqqa to the Turkish-Syrian border. “We were promised that a meeting will be held with the Turkish side and we will be informed about the results,” the source concluded.

    Recent days have seen heavy clashes between the Turkish military and Kurdish fighters close to the town of Ceylanpinar. Earlier this week, Turkish jets launched airstrikes against People's Protection Units (YPG) targets in northern Syria, killing approximately 70 Kurdish fighters. Both Russia and the United States criticized the Turkish operation.


    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201704291053135224-us-tanks-to-storm-raqqa/
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:06 pm

    The ups and downs of ISIS

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (11:52 A.M.) – The ISIS terrorist group has launched a well-executed counter-offensive against the Osoud Al-Sharqiya rebel group (a US/ Jordanian-backed Free Syrian Army franchise) on the border region between the provinces of Homs and East Qalamoun.

    ISIS launched its assault out the so-called Mahsaa salient, this area being the small, but all-important territorial wedge that ISIS has driven between FSA-held East Qalamoun and FSA-held desert areas to the southeast. The ISIS counter-stroke came after a fortnight of encroaching FSA gains against the terrorist group which where aimed at expelling it in the direction of Homs province and lifting the the siege on East Qalamoun.

    So far, ISIS has managed to recapture Manqourah, Zibedah , Dab’ and Daba’ and, consequentially, the Osoud Al-Sharqiya group has been forced onto the defensive for the time being.

    As a result of this counter-offensive, ISIS has effectively reaffirmed and reinforced its siege of FSA-held East Qalamoun, which only twelve hours ago seemed to be on the verge of being broken. In doing so the Jihadist group has demonstrated that it will not easily surrender this strategic foothold in the Syrian desert despite other military pressures being placed on it in eastern Homs and Raqqah.


    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-counter-offensive-devastates-rebel-forces-east-qalamoun/




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