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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:11 am

    The 59-year-old age of the Kulakov, however, is not indicative, since the ship spent 20 years in a protracted repair.

    59 years? Laughing She was laid down in 1977 & commissioned in 1981, so that makes her 39.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:37 am

    Interesting article. I agree on the suggestion about transferring orders for smaller ships from Severnaya verf to other shipyards, and I already wrote in other posts that ships of the 2038x series 20381, 20385 and 20386 could be produced instead in Amur or Pella.
    Yantar could actually build even 22350M, since in soviet times was building the similar sized 1155 antisubmarine destroyers (Udaloy class).


    I believe in normal condition, and with the systems already developed, 7 years is way too much as a building time for serial frigates of the 22350 and 22350M class(except maybe for the pilot ship of the enlarged serie, if it needs additional testing before acceptance by the navy).

    3 and 4 years should be feasible times from the laid down to the commissioning  and these were the building and testing times for the Taiwar class frigates from the baltic shipyard in saint Petersburg  and from yantar in Kaliningrad.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:31 am

    Must see, fresh aerial video of Zaliv shipyard in Kerch (Crimea).

    Clearly seen are:
    - The 22160 class ships Pavel Derzhavin (already floated) and Sergei Kotov (Building)
    - The 3 Karakurt class missile ships in advanced stage of construction
    - The 2 cable layers Volga and Vyatka

    This video shows how big Zaliv is. Despite all the above ships being built there, this shipyard is still underutilized and can accept a few more orders.

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:34 am

    Update from Charly015 on status of new Russian surface & submarine in construction

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    (thought the Khabarovsk (Proj 9851) Poseidon UUV carrier looks way too small given that it's reckoned to be a ~10,000 ton boat )

    There's a lot of activity here when its all presented in a single graphic.  How can this be when Russia has "a GDP smaller than Italy" ( Laughing )....   russia
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    Post  Hole on Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:27 am

    Because Putin is starving his own people to build all this weapons. Laughing
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:59 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    There's a lot of activity here when its all presented in a single graphic.  How can this be when Russia has "a GDP smaller than Italy" ( Laughing )....   russia

    Yup, and doesn't even include the multitudes of support vessels and coast guard vessels. The coast guard is getting 2 Ivan Papanin class vessels of its own.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:29 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Update from Charly015 on status of new Russian surface & submarine in construction

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN7whQJXsAE7T_Z.jpg

    (thought the Khabarovsk (Proj 9851) Poseidon UUV carrier looks way too small given that it's reckoned to be a ~10,000 ton boat )...


    It's quite funny, Khabarovsk is just modified Borei SSBN but here it looks like diesel sub lol1

    They really should replace it on next graph

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:14 pm

    Charly15 is missing 4 KARAKURT (Akold, Amur, Rzhev and Udolmiya) class vessels on his chart.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:11 pm

    Construction of warships of the ocean and far sea zone for the Russian Navy on 02/01/2020

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:18 pm

    Why the Navy refused to build super destroyers

    For the price of 1 Leader they can build several smaller FF/DD/CGs- the time for white elephants is over. Even China with more $ & longer SLOCs to defend in ice-free waters doesn't plan to build similar class of ships.
    https://regnum.ru/news/it/2922231.html


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:28 am

    It is not rocket science... their only aircraft carrier is in dock getting repairs and upgrades, and their cruisers are doing the same or will be soon, so right now they mainly have cold war era destroyers of the Udaloy and Sovremmeny classes which they actually have quite a few of.

    Their way forward is to get their frigates and corvettes designs right and then to look at the design for a new improved destroyer... Lider is not a destroyer... it was a cruiser and they wont need new cruisers for quite some time.

    It makes more sense to focus on getting their smaller ships right and then producing some so they can retire older ships... the improvement in terms of weapons, sensors, and other bits and bobs from the cold war is enormous... one of their new corvettes with a single UKSK launcher has essentially the main missile armament of a cold war destroyer, while their frigates double the fire power of their destroyers... keep in mind their old Frigates were Krivak class ships with four SS-N-14 missiles in a big flat launcher on the front deck... their current corvettes carry a single UKSK launcher with 8 tubes enabling them to carry a more potent missile... the 91ER1 missile is an anti sub weapon just like the SS-N-14 and has a similar range but is supersonic and with a much more capable torpedo payload... the SS-N-14 has a backup warhead so it can be used to sink ships but the 8 tubes on the corvette can carry 4 anti sub missiles and 4 supersonic anti ship missiles like Onyx and soon Zircon with anti ship and land attack capability.

    Their new frigates have twice that capacity, but also much more capable radar and communications and other equipment...

    They can upgrade existing cold war destroyers and cruisers and carrier so that they retain blue water capability, and over time get their destroyer design right... which should scale up fairly easily into a very capable cruiser design when needed.

    The focus right now should be on getting more corvettes and frigates built in large classes instead of lots of little two to four ship classes... modular systems, standardised weapons and sensors and equipment... and make sure it is Russian made and safe from sanctions.
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:29 am

    Spinners always spinning.

    None of the reasons given now as to why those programs were supposedly axed were somehow unknown at the time the designs and the planning to acquire them were made. Those programs got the go-ahead because a strategy was built around them, with projections that made them possible.

    The purse strings are simply getting extra tight. No extra spin needed. Capability wise, Russia has a joke Navy whose only saving grace is its submarine fleet. With these developments, that isn't set to change for decades to come. Good luck getting a Zircon loaded frigate across the Atlantic or the Pacific.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:39 am

    Spinners always spinning.

    Whiners always whining... the Russian navy isn't able to take on the US Navy or HATO navies combined so it is a joke.

    Yeah, of course the Russian Navy is a joke, that is why HATO countries and the US violate their territorial waters all the time knowing there is no Russian Navy to stop them...

    I would say the US Navy is currently the joke... its latest aircraft carrier and also its most expensive carrier is a joke that cannot operate aircraft except helos... which would be fine if it was for the Marines. Their new all powerful stealth Zumwalt destroyer class is rubbish, the alternative idea to a frigate is worse than useless, but the solution is just spend more money right?

    Russian corvettes with more powerful and more capable weapons than HATO destroyers carry but Russia is the joke...

    Sounds like projection.

    Of course no HATO project has been delayed or rethought... that would involve thinking and Washington doesn't think... hense no INF treaty...

    None of the reasons given now as to why those programs were supposedly axed were somehow unknown at the time the designs and the planning to acquire them were made.

    The programmes were concepts and were never set in stone.

    Perhaps they need a redesign because the UKSK-M launcher is bigger so existing plans wont work... maybe they are redesigning them for electric drive propulsion systems... maybe they want to concentrate on making some Corvettes and Frigates before they look at brand new destroyers and cruisers...

    Those programs got the go-ahead because a strategy was built around them, with projections that made them possible.

    What programme go aheads? Nothing has been laid down...


    The purse strings are simply getting extra tight. No extra spin needed.

    They never had a blank cheque book, but as far as I am aware there have been no major military funding cuts... the west could learn a lot from Russia regarding military spending and economics in general, but are too arrogant to learn from anyone any more.

    Good luck getting a Zircon loaded frigate across the Atlantic or the Pacific.

    Good luck trying to stop it... the west has rather more to lose than Russia in a conflict... those HATO ships are super expensive and can't see cargo ships and oil tankers in the dark...
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    Construction of the ocean and far sea zone warships for the Russian Navy on 01.06.2020

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