Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update

Podlodka77 wrote:. Zvezda shipyard in the russian far east is becoming larger and larger and only large military ships will be built there.

Arrow wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:. Zvezda shipyard in the russian far east is becoming larger and larger and only large military ships will be built there.

Zvezda builds civilian ships.  Mainly gas carriers etc. and powerful Lider icebreakers.  They have a lot of orders.  It is not known whether they will be building something there for the navy

I am so sure to write here that Yasen submarines are more important to Russia than any type of fighter jet - Su-57 included.

Zvezda is also involved in modernization of 949A Antey submarines K-132 Irkutsk and K-442 Chelyabinsk and those submarines will be improved and upgraded to 949AM  wrote:

Arrow wrote:

Ok yes but it's a modernization.  They don't build new units and surface navy units.  Zviezda is very busy, so in this decade they probably won't be building ships for the navy probably.

Podlodka77 wrote:МОСКВА, 9 янв – РИА Новости. Тихоокеанский флот получит в 2022 году корвет проекта 20380 "Резкий" и дизель-электрическую подводную лодку проекта 636.3 ("Варшавянка") "Магадан"

RIA NOVOSTI, 09.01.2022; Corvette REZKIY of the project 20380 and diesel-electric submarine MAGADAN (project 636.3 Varshavyanka) will be handed over to the Russian Pacific fleet in 2022.

*I am sure that this was RIA mistake, because B-588 UFA submarine should be handed over to Pacific fleet this year and B-602 Magadan was already commissioned three months ago.

Podlodka77 wrote:I wrote here already that most weakest link in russian military complex is Severnaya Werf. Everyone from you here has heard about russian navy blog NAVY KORABEL and some of you have shared some links from that blog. And owner of that NAVY KORABEL (Флот открытого океана) blog has published how bad is the situation in that shipyard.

Достаточно сказать, что корвет "Стойкий" (четвёртый заказ пр. 20380 и третий пр. 20380 мод. II) полным водоизмещением 2 350 тонн строился 7,7 года (из них на стапеле − 5,5 лет). Для сравнения: несоизмеримо более сложные РПКСН "Князь Владимир" и "Князь Олег" (первый и второй корабли пр. 955А, Dнадв около 14 700 тонн) были переданы ВМФ через 7,9 и 7,4 года после закладки.
Вспоминается фраза, в которой объединены мнения двух людей, хорошо знакомых с Северной верфью: "Мой друг, работавший на СВ несколько десятилетий и достигший высоких должностей, сказал: "СВ можно исправить, если только ВСЁ выжечь огнемётом". Не мои слова. Я эту верфь и людей знаю 45 лет и с его словами согласен. Разве что несколько человек из огня вытащил бы. Но насчёт завода − согласен"
Разумеется, огнемёт здесь − гипербола, но необходимость тотальной чистки предприятия несомненна. Простая замена генерального директора не даст результата − заводская "мафия" легко подомнёт его под себя. Менять ("выжигать") надо всё руководство − гендиректора, всех его замов, главного инженера, главного технолога (его-то уж точно), главного экономиста, главбуха, начальников цехов и отделов. Их места должны занять совершенно новые люди, набранные по конкурсу типа "Лидеры России" с обязательным представлением бизнес-плана по радикальному увеличению производительности верфи (сокращению срока постройки кораблей класса "фрегат" до 4-5 лет). Иначе от нового эллинга пользы будет мало.

It is suffice to say that "Stoykiy" (fourth in a row, project 20380 and third serial corvette of project 20380 modification 2) with full hull displacement of 2350 tons was in construction for 7,7 years (5,5 years from that period in a slipyard). For a pure comparison disporportionately more complexed SSBN submarines Knyaz Vladimir and Knyaz Oleg (first and second 955A submarines, surface displacement is at 14700 tons) were handed over to the navy in 7,9 years and 7,4 years after thay were laid down.
He wrote; I will tell you a frase in which opinions of two people, well known to Severnaya Werf; "My friend who is a worker on Severnaya Werf in the past few decades and which is now reached high office, he told me; Severnaya Werf is possible to correct only if someone burns it to the ground. Those are not my words. I know that shipyard and people who work there for 45 years and i agree with his words.
Of course, fire on the ship (Prvovorniy) means that complete cleaning of shipyard is necessary. To fire only managing director will not give result, because shipyard "mafia" will easily rise again and everything will be the same. It is necessary to fire out complete leadrship of Severnaya Werf shipyard; managing director and all of his deputies, main engineer, chief technologist (especially him), head accountant, head of the slipyard. On their places should come completely new people, chosen by type competition "Liders of Russia" with obligation to present a plan for radicaly enlargement of construction in that shipyard and (shortening the deadline for frigate constuction in 4 - 5 years). As regards for new workshop that is in construction it will be of little use if leadership is not replaced.

My opinion, unrelated to NAVY KORABEL; And yes, i dont think that Admiral Golovko will be handed over to the Russian navy in this year and Admiral Isakov will be commissioned no earlier than in 2024. In that time SEVMASH will deliver to RN no less than 6 to 7 submarines.

lancelot wrote:Plus the ships with boilers in the power plant didn't turn out to be such a great idea in hindsight and most of them have been dropped. The technology is different enough from the rest of the engines used by the military to cause substantial headaches.

Podlodka77 wrote:

Arrow wrote:

Ok yes but it's a modernization.  They don't build new units and surface navy units.  Zviezda is very busy, so in this decade they probably won't be building ships for the navy probably.

I dont think so at all because this decade has just begun.

I see future of RN this way;

1. Multipurpose nuclear submarines (Sevmash); 12 or 24 885/885 submarines if they decide not to built cheaper 545A class. This will be accomplished by the end of next decade. No less than 24 submarines.
2. Diesel-powered submarines (Admirality shipyard); 12 for Pacific fleet, 6 677 Lada class for Northern fleet, 6 636.3 for Black sea (those will be replaced in the early 2040's with new ones) and no less than 6 submarines for Baltic fleet. This will be accomplished by the 2035.
3. Aircraft carriers (Zvezda, Sevmash, Baltic) ; NONE, if they ask me but if thez decide to build them then 2 for Northern and 2 for Pacific fleet. No less then 3 of them could be built and commissioned before 2050 and fourth could be launched within that period.  
4. Large amphibious ships (Zaliv) ; 2 for Northern and 2 for Pacific fleet. This will be accomplished by the 2035 or before 2040.
5. Nuclear powered destroyers (Zvezda, Baltic and even Sevmash); 4 for Northern and 4 for Pacific fleet. Those beasts should replace all existing cruisers.
6. 22350 frigates and enlarged frigates/destroyers of 22350M class (Severnaya Werf, Yantar, Amur and some other shipyard maybe) ; no less than 6 for Northern fleet, no less than 6 for Pacific fleet, 6 for Baltic fleet and 3 for Black sea (because 11356 class of frigates could be modernized in the future). This will be accomplished by the end of next decade.
7. Corvettes (Severnaya Werf, Amur and maybe some other shipyard as well) ; No less than 30; 6 20385 corvettes for Northern fleet, 6 20385 corvettes are planned and 6 20380 for Pacific fleet, 6 for Black sea fleet and 6 corvettes for Baltic fleet.
8. Landing ships (Yantar and some shipyard in the Black sea) ; 4 for NF, 4 for PF, 4 for BSF, and 4 for Baltic fleet.
9. POSEIDON submarines (Sevmash) ; 4 or 5 in total split between Northern and Pacific fleet.
10. Borei class (Sevmash); 12 or 14 split between NF and PF.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:It's stated to be able to carry 4 drones and 21 choppers, it will not be carrying large quantities as you think let alone all those types at once, its a landing ship, not a carrier.......

Scorpius wrote:Construction of warships of the main classes as of 1.01.2022:

Frigates under the project 22350 are currently being built 6 units and 2 more will be laid this year.

In total, by 2030, the RuNavy should receive 27 surface and 29 underwater warships. At the same time, the table does not take into account submarines with a displacement of less than 1000 tons and surface ships with a displacement of less than 2000 tons.

PapaDragon wrote:
Ulyanovsk is Yasen-class not Khabarovsk

Can we please stop with this bullshit already?

One journalists was being illiterate retard and now suddenly his word is a gospel?

Podlodka77 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Ulyanovsk is Yasen-class not Khabarovsk

Can we please stop with this bullshit already?

One journalists was being illiterate retard and now suddenly his word is a gospel?

Are you sure it was a mistake ?
Yes, TASS makes mistakes like every other news agency but they make far fewer mistakes than others.
Russian MOD did not deny that announcement.
Khabarovsk will most likely not be the last submarine of the 09851 project, so the Russians may be building additional submarines of that project under the "mask" of the 885M project. Laid down as 885M for public but constructed and delivered as 09851 project submarine. Could that be true ? Yes.

PapaDragon wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Ulyanovsk is Yasen-class not Khabarovsk

Can we please stop with this bullshit already?

One journalists was being illiterate retard and now suddenly his word is a gospel?

Are you sure it was a mistake ?
Yes, TASS makes mistakes like every other news agency but they make far fewer mistakes than others.
Russian MOD did not deny that announcement.
Khabarovsk will most likely not be the last submarine of the 09851 project, so the Russians may be building additional submarines of that project under the "mask" of the 885M project. Laid down as 885M for public but constructed and delivered as 09851 project submarine. Could that be true ? Yes.

Yes it was a mistake

Tass couldn't report correctly on military matters to save their life

We saw the photos of hull section from the laying down ceremony and it's clearly Yasen