Kuznetsov could still be used for training.
When you are talking about an old model tank worth maybe 800K dollars, then keeping it and training on it make sense as it reduces wear and tear on the newer models, but with a carrier costing billions, it needs to be able to actually work.
The K, with upgrades should be able to be a useful vessel, in terms of training, experience, and operational use, but I would expect by 2040 when a fourth new carrier is being put into service the K can retire...
If there is a demand, there'll be ready supply!
Having an enormous navy right now with Frigates and Destroyers and Cruisers and a few carriers would be of no use to Russia... right now, or in the next decade... they simply don't have a use for it yet and the extra burden of costs would be crippling to the things they actually do need.
Even worse, getting china to build military ships for the Russian navy is spending money on Chinese shipyards... if current Russian shipyards can't do the job it makes rather more sense to look into the reasons for that and dealing with them than sending the money to China or anywhere else.
This indicates that despite scrapping programs deemed too expensive – notably the Leader-class destroyer and Storm aircraft carrier program – the Kremlin is moving ahead with a very ambitious naval upgrade.
Just because they decide this or that programme is not suitable does not mean they will simply have no destroyer or carrier sized vessels in their fleet in the future.
They are not the US and are not forced to buy the most expensive white elephant that their MIC can push for max profit... No Zumwalts for Russia...
But even if it is, there's a grain of truth: Russia has under capacity in shipbuilding, while China has overcapacity, evidenced of the speed of her naval buildup in last decade. Who else is going to buy their medium/big ships? At best, u can count those countries on 1 hand!
The solution is to deal with the problems at home, not export work for your military... and it has nothing to do with China. This is about Russian companies providing for the defence of Russia. Short term stopgaps of buying some engines is OK... no point in stopping all production just because the Ukrainians are ass holes and the Germans need permission from the US to sell products to Russia.
By 2019 with the end of the upgrade in the Zvezda shipyard, I think the capacity of the Russian shipyards will be more than enough for the own Navy.
Exactly.... they are spending big money upgrading shipyards... and they are not going to be building thousands of ships... why would you get China to build 12 destroyers... when you are also spending big money to upgrade Russian shipyards to build them too... by the time the shipyards are ready to start production the Chinese would already have built them... stupid.
You can establish a partnership with technology exchange, if another country is.building something that you can't yet, and they are willing to cooperate, but that is the only exception. Russia is not USSR that have to.subsidize polish or other foreign shipyards...
Now you can make excuses and pretend there are no problems or you can admit there are problems and fix them. I prefer fixing the problem rather than letting it get out of hand and the Russian shipbuilding industry has let it gotten WAY out of hand.
This is not me "hating" or being a "pro-nato fanboy"
It is whining and complaining and thinking you know better that is the issue.
The Russian Navy will have zero effect in any real confrontation with the US, so whether it has one carrier or 20 it makes no real difference... in fact having 20 carriers would bankrupt the country so it is just as well they haven't been introducing 10 Frigates and 5 destroyers a year for the past 5 years...
They r also building too many classes of ships & boats for the top brass mostly to satisfy greed of different designers & manufacturers.
Of course... but why didn't you tell them which design would work well and which one wouldn't before they built them?
Nobody has powers of seeing the future... otherwise there would not have been VSTOL F-35s, or Zumwalts... when everyone stops making mistakes then you can criticise the Russian Navy (it is not the shipbuilders that decide what gets made and what does not).
Frankly, their yards can't meet the demand of the VMF & Atomflot in modernizing, repairing & new construction of submarines, warships, Arctic icebreakers & tankers/bulk carriers in the desired time frame. Hence delays, delays, & more delays.
There are plenty of yards... and name a western producer of ships that does not have delays?
China may also be interested in helping the RF with naval matters as they both want to keep NATO, USA & their Asian allies "at arm's length".
Building a navy for Russia would not be helping anyone but China...
No-one with any sense of reality would really deny the Russian shipbuilding industry has been long neglected and suffers many problems as a result, but the engine issue caused by Ukropi & HATO sanctions has been crippling in the short term. You can't build ships without engines, and no-one will lay down hulls until the engine supply issue is resolved. Its that simple, and no amount of yabbering to the contrary will change it. The first serial-produced & certified MGT will take ~5 years to hit dockside from denial of supply from Zorya-Mashproekt (which has hit frigate builds accordingly). Delays due to MTU diesels are less, but still impacted their respective vessels. Why do people keep denying this simple truth?
The US has been anti Russian for the last decade or so, yet despite having examples of Russian rocket engines in their possession, and also the full plans to make them it has been estimated it will take the US until 2028 before they can produce an equivalent... but I shouldn't mention that should I... after all making engines is easy... didn't they see it coming... could they have not anticipated problems of supply... it was stupid of them to rely on Russian engines in the first place right?