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    Post  medo Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:40 pm

    Dima wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Well in light of this news I think we can all agree that Russian corvette program is complete dead end.

    While they wait for engines smartest thing to do would be to design entirely new model and finally put the whole Steregushi corvette fiasco to bed.
    There is and always was a good solution to fulfill the corvette numbers and and I always mentions it and once more saying.....Pr.11661 Gepard class is the way to go. I personally like that design coz its a very practical one.

    Vietnam's next two Gepard 3.9 is getting ready and I feel not ordering 11661 for the Russian navy might bring us to the same situation as what happened with the pr.11356..... its after so many years that Russia realized that not continuing the 11356 production after the completion of the first three units for Indian Navy was a big mistake. And when they indeed started it, the time was just too late with only half the capacity likely to be fulfilled. I know the financial situations and politics that have likely played in the decision making process...not venturing into it coz then we will have to talk a lot including the utter lack of vision and strategy for promotion (Venezuela, Libya) during the period which could have negated the lack of initial startup capital for restarting/continuing the production.  

    My plan/wishlist for 11661 has been on the version with a hanger incorporated... with the new canistered BuK-M3 AD system, the possibility of even smaller tonnage ships getting (as a carrier) a good medium-long range AD missile looks promising.

    Tartarstan already have those Kaliber tubes and was put to good use against international terrorists in Syria, so the next series of 11661 only need to take it from there.

    Specs that I would like to see for Gepard 3.9 are
    8 x Kaliber/Yakhont/Klub
    12 - 24 x canistered AD missiles replacing 8 x 3M24
    2-4 x podded Zhuk-A based radar/illuminator for AD missiles
    2 x Palma

    Such a modernized/optimized 11661 would be a good multipurpose corvette and will do good to enhance Russian Navy's 'soldiers' on the ocean. I would like to see a proliferation of these powerful units in the Black Sea, Mediterranean (Tartous, Latakia) and Baltic which will free up the Frigates and Destroyers and supplement them in firepower when needed.
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    11661 Gepard corvette have the same problem, engines from Ukraine. Vietnam got engines from Ukraine, Russia will not. There is better solution in 22160 patrol ships, which most probably have domestic diesel engines and they could as well be equipped with Redut air defense and if they equip it with sonar and Paket torpedo complex, they got multipurpose corvette, which could be built very fast. Zelenodolsk built 22160 ship in two years.
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    Post  Guest Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Well in light of this news I think we can all agree that Russian corvette program is complete dead end.

    While they wait for engines smartest thing to do would be to design entirely new model and finally put the whole Steregushi corvette fiasco to bed.

    No no no.

    The news is about the Grigorovich frigates. Not the Steregushy corvettes.

    Yantar (Kaliningrad) makes the frigates, not the corvettes.

    Steregushy corvette program is ongoing. The propulsion problem is resolved (look at medo's post above this one).

    In that case, my bad... cry

    As for frigates, those ships go trough several turbines over the course of their service so it would make sense to start modifying last three ships now to receive Russian engines since they will all need replacements at some point?

    Turbines these days are mostly overhauled rather than replaced completely. But each time overhaul takes more time and is more expencive than previous.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:56 pm

    I feel like i should add this.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:18 pm


    I don't think that data is accurate.
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    Post  Austin Sat May 07, 2016 7:34 am

    check this

    Russian Naval Shipbuilding: Is It Possible to Fulfill the Kremlin’s Grand Expectations?

    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/russian-naval-shipbuilding-is-it-possible-to-fulfill-the-kremlins-grand-expectations/
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    Post  sepheronx Sat May 07, 2016 7:41 am

    No, I wont check it, because it has already been exposed as a fifth column website and is a total joke.
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    Post  franco Sun May 15, 2016 3:26 pm

    Russian Navy Update - Projected New Warships and boats by end of 2020

    Northern Fleet
    4-5 "955" SSBN
    4-5 "885" SSGN
    1-3 "677" SS
    2-4 "22350" FFG
    2 "23550" PS
    2 "20385" FFC
    0-6 "21980" PC
    0-2 "22800" FSG
    0-2 "21820" LCM

    Pacific Fleet
    3-4 "955" SSBN
    2-3 "885" SSGN
    2-4 "06363" SS
    0-2 "22350" FFG
    3 "20380" FFC
    6 "21980" PC
    2-4 "22800" FSG
    1-2 "21820" LCM

    Baltic Fleet
    1 "11540" FFG
    6 "20380" FFC
    3-4 "21820" LCM
    3-4 "03160" PC
    1-3 "21980" PC
    2-4 "22800" FSG
    0-2 "12700" MSC

    Black Sea Fleet
    6 "06363" SS
    3-6 "11356" FFG
    6 "22160" PS
    6 "21631" FSG
    2 "11711" LST
    0-2 "21820" LCM
    5-8 "03160" PC
    5-6 "21980" PC
    1-2 "12418" PGM
    2-4 "22800" FSG
    2-6 "12700" MSC

    Caspian Sea Flotilla
    1 "11661K" FFC
    3 "21631" FSG
    3 "21630" FS
    1-3 "21820" LCM
    1-3 "21980" PC
    0-4 "03160" PC
    1-2 "12418" PGM

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    Post  Dima Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:09 am

    Status of Russian Navy as of June 1st 2016 (does not include auxiliaries and other smaller ships)
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    Status of shipbuilding projects for Russian Navy as of June 1st 2016
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    Post  franco Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:00 pm

    Russian Navy War Ship Construction Update

    Those constructed, under construction, ordered or announced plans to order. Does not include ships still under planning development.

    Submarines:

    06363 - 3100t conventional submarine - 12
    677 - 2100t conventional submarine - 3
    885 - 11800t nuclear attack submarine - 7
    955 - 13000t nuclear ballistic missile submarine - 8

    Frigate types:

    11356 - 3800t frigate - 6
    22350 - 4500t frigate - 6
    23550 - 6800t Arctic Patrol Ship - 2
    20380 - 2100t Corvette - 10
    20385 - 2300t Corvette - 2
    22160 - 1700t Patrol Ship - 6

    Littoral types:

    21630 - 500t - Gun Boat - 3
    12418 - 500t - Missile Boat - 2
    21631 - 950t - Missile Ship - 12
    22800 - 800t - Missile Ship - 19

    Patrol types:

    21980 - 138t - Patrol Boat - 22
    03160 - 23t - Fast Patrol Boat - 8
    BK-16 - 20t - Fast Patrol Boat - 2

    Minesweepers:

    12700 - 620t - Coastal Minesweeper - 8

    Amphibious Warfare:

    11711 - 6000t - Landing Ship - 2
    11770 - 100t - Fast Landing Craft - 12
    21820 - 280t - Landing Craft - 11


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    Post  eehnie Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:40 pm

    franco wrote:23550 - 6800t Arctic Patrol Ship - 2

    Patrol types:

    21980 - 138t - Patrol Boat - 22
    03160 - 23t - Fast Patrol Boat - 8

    There is some new about the helicopter of the Project 23550?

    If the helicopter is not a combat helicopter, the quoted projects seem more like with armament level of the Auxiliary Ships of the Russian Navy or of the Russian Coast Guard.


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    Post  franco Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:52 pm

    The two Arctic Patrol ships are basically Armed Icebreakers able to access the new Military bases being built up north.

    The patrol boats are to guard the Naval Bases. At least one 21980 per base. Six each planned for Northern and Pacific Fleets, remaining 10 divided between the Baltic, Black and Caspian Seas.
    The smaller ones, not sure yet. At present they are Baltic (3) and Black Sea (7) only. These are the Raptors and the Russian copy (BK-16) of the Swedish craft.
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    Post  eehnie Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:05 am

    franco wrote:Russian Navy War Ship Construction Update

    Those constructed, under construction, ordered or announced plans to order. Does not include ships still under planning development.

    Submarines:

    06363 - 3100t conventional submarine - 12
    677 - 2100t conventional submarine - 3
    885 - 11800t nuclear attack submarine - 7
    955 - 13000t nuclear ballistic missile submarine - 8

    Frigate types:

    11356 - 3800t frigate - 6
    22350 - 4500t frigate - 6
    23550 - 6800t Arctic Patrol Ship - 2
    20380 - 2100t Corvette - 10
    20385 - 2300t Corvette - 2
    22160 - 1700t Patrol Ship - 6

    Littoral types:

    21630 - 500t - Gun Boat - 3
    12418 - 500t - Missile Boat - 2
    21631 - 950t - Missile Ship - 12
    22800 - 800t - Missile Ship - 19

    Patrol types:

    21980 - 138t - Patrol Boat - 22
    03160 - 23t - Fast Patrol Boat - 8
    BK-16 - 20t - Fast Patrol Boat - 2

    Minesweepers:

    12700 - 620t - Coastal Minesweeper - 8

    Amphibious Warfare:

    11711 - 6000t - Landing Ship - 2
    11770 - 100t - Fast Landing Craft - 12
    21820 - 280t - Landing Craft - 11

    The BK-16 is refered to the project 02510 ships? Here are classified as Landing Craft (Amphibious Warfare):

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_02510.htm

    About the Project 23550, I think it would need some upgrade in its armament to be a true frigate (and not an auxiliary ship). It would need at least some Air Defense. Some modern surface-air missile above man portable technologies.

    With their low level armament (as it has been reported) I think the Project 23550, the Project 03160 and the Project 21980 would be more in the level of armament of the Auxiliary Ships and the Coast Guard. Note that the Project 23550 seems to carry two 03160 boats.


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    Post  George1 Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:37 pm

    Navy

    In 2016, the Russian Navy received 24 ships and support vessels, and the Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines Velikiy Novgorod and Kolpino for the Black Sea Fleet. The surface vessels included a Project 22870 rescue ship, a Project 19920 hydrographic ship, Project 11356 frigates Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen, and Project 12700 mine countermeasures ship Aleksandr Obukhov.

    The Navy acquired 100 Kalibr (SS-N-27 / Sizzler) and Oniks (SS-N-26 / Strobile) cruise missiles. These missiles are carried on new Proyekt 636.3 subs and Proyekt 11356 frigates.

    In early December, logistics chief Army General Dmitriy Bulgakov said 19 of the 24 ships delivered were auxiliaries. And Admiral Essen fouled its screws while mooring before departing for its Black Sea homeport. The third Proyekt 11356 Admiral Makarov did not reach the fleet, nor did the first Proyekt 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigate, or the initial Proyekt 11711 LSD Ivan Gren. Another less than impressive year of naval construction.

    https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2017/01/08/what-they-got/
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    Post  KiloGolf Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:18 pm

    George1 wrote: 19 of the 24 ships delivered were auxiliaries. [/b] And Admiral Essen fouled its screws while mooring before departing for its Black Sea homeport.  The third Proyekt 11356 Admiral Makarov did not reach the fleet, nor did the first Proyekt 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigate, or the initial Proyekt 11711 LSD Ivan Gren. Another less than impressive year of naval construction.

    That's probably the important part. Quite bad year as the article says. That Ivan Gren LST saga is beyond believable anymore.
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    Post  Guest Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:27 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    George1 wrote: 19 of the 24 ships delivered were auxiliaries. [/b] And Admiral Essen fouled its screws while mooring before departing for its Black Sea homeport.  The third Proyekt 11356 Admiral Makarov did not reach the fleet, nor did the first Proyekt 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigate, or the initial Proyekt 11711 LSD Ivan Gren. Another less than impressive year of naval construction.

    That's probably the important part. Quite bad year as the article says. That Ivan Gren LST saga is beyond believable anymore.

    I said few times before... i need to repeat... I HATE THAT SHIP.
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    Post  eehnie Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:07 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Navy

    In 2016, the Russian Navy received 24 ships and support vessels, and the Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines Velikiy Novgorod and Kolpino for the Black Sea Fleet. The surface vessels included a Project 22870 rescue ship, a Project 19920 hydrographic ship, Project 11356 frigates Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Essen, and Project 12700 mine countermeasures ship Aleksandr Obukhov.

    The Navy acquired 100 Kalibr (SS-N-27 / Sizzler) and Oniks (SS-N-26 / Strobile) cruise missiles.  These missiles are carried on new Proyekt 636.3 subs and Proyekt 11356 frigates.

    In early December, logistics chief Army General Dmitriy Bulgakov said 19 of the 24 ships delivered were auxiliaries. And Admiral Essen fouled its screws while mooring before departing for its Black Sea homeport.  The third Proyekt 11356 Admiral Makarov did not reach the fleet, nor did the first Proyekt 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigate, or the initial Proyekt 11711 LSD Ivan Gren. Another less than impressive year of naval construction.

    https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2017/01/08/what-they-got/

    I do not think the tone of the article is good in the refered to the Russian Navy.

    The procurement of war ships is the expected, and is in agreement with the decommissions. After a time of decommissions (by a wish of reduction of the fleet) and selection of the best ships to keep, the natural step is to go to a time of stability in the fleet (if Russia would like a bigger fleet Russia would have not decommissioned as many young ships). The remaining war fleet, has very few old ships, and it leads to very few decommissions in the following years and as consequence low construction of new ships.

    In 2016 there are 3 decommissions of warships and submarines that were still young and 1 sale:

    1 Project 877 Conventiona Submarine (commissioned 1984)
    1 Project 641B Conventional Submarine (commissioned 1982)
    1 Project 12411 Missile Boat (commissioned 1987)
    1 Project 12421 Missile Boat (commissioned 2000, sale to Egypt)

    And there are 5 new warships and submarines:

    2 Project 06363 Conventional Submarine
    2 Project 11356 Frigate
    1 Project 12700 Minesweeper

    In the refered to the war ships, Russia will not change this rythm of decommissions and production until about 2025. In this period the Russian Navy will have the time and the money (in part thanks to the Mistral failure) to develop what remains to be done, including/specially the Project 23000E of new aircraft carrier, the Project 23560 of new cruiser/destroyer, the Project 21956 of new destroyer, and the shipyards needed.

    Logically, the auxiliary fleet, including coast patrol ships (low armed) of the Russian Navy, is where today there is more movement.


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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:48 pm

    Militarov wrote:
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    George1 wrote: 19 of the 24 ships delivered were auxiliaries. [/b] And Admiral Essen fouled its screws while mooring before departing for its Black Sea homeport.  The third Proyekt 11356 Admiral Makarov did not reach the fleet, nor did the first Proyekt 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigate, or the initial Proyekt 11711 LSD Ivan Gren. Another less than impressive year of naval construction.

    That's probably the important part. Quite bad year as the article says. That Ivan Gren LST saga is beyond believable anymore.

    I said few times before... i need to repeat... I HATE THAT SHIP.


    I personally have one very simple rule about Russian Naval construction: ignore vessels whose construction started before 2010. I just don't take their delivery speed into any assessment.

    Reason: before 2008 Georgia incident nobody in Russia gave 2 sh*ts about military and navy in particular. So let's say it took them couple of years to get off their asses and you get year 2010.

    I will gladly criticize any ship whose construction started after that point but as for stuff before that, when they come, they come.

    Call it force majeure and save yourself (and others) some hassle.
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    Post  eehnie Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:33 am

    Update of the ships under construction for specific roles of the Russian Navy at the begin of 2017:

    34 - Warships:
    1 - Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)
    4 - Project 11356 Frigate
    1 - Project 11660/11661 Frigate (1 more not-completed)
    8 - Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    4 - Project 21631 Corvette
    6 - Project 22350 Frigate
    6 - Project 22160 Frigate
    4 - Project 22800 Corvette
    0 - Project 21956 Destroyer
    0 - Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer
    0 - Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier

    15 - Submarines:
    1 - Project 949 Nuclear Submarine (5 more not-completed)
    2 - Project 677 Conventional Submarine
    5 - Project 955 Nuclear Submarine
    6 - Project 885/08851 Nuclear Submarine
    1 - Project 09851 Nuclear Submarine

    7 - Missile Boats:
    6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat
    1 - Project 12300 Missile Boat

    17 - Minesweepers:
    3 - Project 1265 (1 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 10750
    1 - Project 12255 (1 more not-completed)
    7 - Project 12700

    10 - Amphibious:
    1 - Project 11770/11771 (Azov shipyard, Mariupol)
    6 - Project 21820
    1 - Project 02510
    2 - Project 11711

    83 - Ships under construction for specific roles of the Russian Navy. Excluded the units clearly to export.

    Russia is becoming ready to afford the high number of decommissions that should come after 2024 and more intensely after 2030. Until then the rythm of commissions and decommissions will be low.

    It is likely that Russia gives impulse to the projects 21956, 23560 and 23000E, which first unit I would expect to be finnished by 2025. Note that the first unit of the Project 21956 is needed by Russia to replace the last ship of the project 01090 (commissioned 1969), the first unit of the Project 23560 is needed by Russia to replace the last unit of the Project 1134B (commissioned 1974), and the first unit of the Project 23000E is needed by Russia to allow to have the last unit of the Project 11435 (commissioned 1990) in the reserve for cases like the war of Syria. All the rest of the oldest ships can be replaced by ships under construction today.

    In adition to this, auxiliary ships and low armed coast guard ships.
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    Post  Isos Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:22 pm

    Some questions :

    1/ 1- Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)  Why this ships is Under construction ? It's outdated. Did they start to build it during USSR and now finishing it ?

    2/ projects 21956 ?  They never ordered this class, no ? they went for lider class.

    3/ 6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat ?   When did they ordered these ones ? Will they be armed with Urans or Moskit?


    Thanks for the list, one remark you could have just put the names instead of the project numbers. I had to check each ones Very Happy
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    Post  franco Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:03 am

    Isos wrote:Some questions :

    1/ 1- Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)  Why this ships is Under construction ? It's outdated. Did they start to build it during USSR and now finishing it ? The last two were not done and cancelled.

    2/ projects 21956 ?  They never ordered this class, no ? they went for lider class. Actually nothing finalized re the DDG project.

    3/ 6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat ?   When did they ordered these ones ? Will they be armed with Urans or Moskit? There were two hulls completed in the Crimean shipyards that will apparently be finished as 12418 models each with 16 Urans.


    Thanks for the list, one remark you could have just put the names instead of the project numbers. I had to check each ones Very Happy
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    Post  eehnie Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:03 am

    Isos wrote:Some questions :

    1/ 1- Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)  Why this ships is Under construction ? It's outdated. Did they start to build it during USSR and now finishing it ?

    2/ projects 21956 ?  They never ordered this class, no ? they went for lider class.

    3/ 6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat ?   When did they ordered these ones ? Will they be armed with Urans or Moskit?


    Thanks for the list, one remark you could have just put the names instead of the project numbers. I had to check each ones Very Happy

    Sorry, I missed the questions until now.

    1/ About this ship (Tuman Nº403) I know it was laid down in 1993 and its construction frozen in 1995, but until some change is ordered the ship would remain in the same status. Habitually, economically it is better to finnish the ships in construction than to destroy them, because despite to be not the most modern ship, it can do some work still. Also it is possible to do some review of the design and to finnish it as a more advanced variant. Other option in cases like this, is to finnish the ship to export under a future deal with other country.

    2/ At this point I'm not sure that the Project 21956 and the Project 23560 Lider are incompatible. I tend to think that are not incompatible or redundant. There are lots of contradictory informations about these projects and even many articles mix up both, but I would not assure that the Project 21956 has been ruled out. I included the Projects 21956, 23560 and 23000E despite to be in earlier stages than the rest, because I consider them the most important projects not ordered still for the Russian Navy in the following years, and help to give a more complete view about the potential of the Russian Navy in the following years.

    3/ One of the six (R-5 Nº216) is a 12411 ship that was laid down in 1991 and its construction frozen in 1991. It would be like the ship of the fist question. The other five are 12418, maybe to export, like the rest of this variant until now, but I have not find information about the future buyer. There are more 12418 under construction that I included not in the list because they are to export and I identified the buyer.

    In some cases the ships under construction (like the 12418 you was asking for) have not a name still (or at least was not offered by the sources). I also check ship by ship, but I thought it was too much to go ship by ship.
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    Post  eehnie Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:50 am

    With the money of the Mistrals, it would be very interesting for Russia to order the first unit of the 3 projects:

    - Project 23000 E of new aircraft carrier.
    - Project 23560 of new destroyer/cruiser.
    - Project 21956 of new destroyer.

    building the necessary infrastructure for it.
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    Post  Guest Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:02 pm

    eehnie wrote:With the money of the Mistrals, it would be very interesting for Russia to order the first unit of the 3 projects:

    - Project 23000 E of new aircraft carrier.
    - Project 23560 of new destroyer/cruiser.
    - Project 21956 of new destroyer.

    building the necessary infrastructure for it.

    Only if Mistral deal was worth like 30 billion, then sure xD
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    Post  Isos Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:38 pm

    Thanks for the answer.

    eehnie wrote:With the money of the Mistrals, it would be very interesting for Russia to order the first unit of the 3 projects:

    - Project 23000 E of new aircraft carrier.
    - Project 23560 of new destroyer/cruiser.
    - Project 21956 of new destroyer.

    building the necessary infrastructure for it.

    Not the best option. They should get some experience by building a big ship like the mistral. They already did a part of them.

    They paid 1 billion$ for 2 Mistral and they wanted 2 more which means they had 2 billions $ for them. That's enough for a Heli carrier or the 21956 (which is the same size as the Udaloy class) but not for the other 2. They can always try to put back in service some Yaks on heli carriers for patroling around the fleet and searching for incoming missiles dunno
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:02 am

    The Ka-52Ks would probably be much better than any naval model Yak in a viable operational context.

    With AESA radar and R-77s they would be quite interesting... though I think the low speed low altitude launch limitations would mean R-27E models or even R-37M might be warranted to get a useful range performance.


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