Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update

LITTLE RED CORVETTES? Russia’s Building Warships Faster Than America—or even China

One thing that surprised me is construction pace of Bykov-class patrol ship. They are being built at decent speed. One of the reasons for it is probably lighter equipment load but whatever.

Tsavo Lion wrote:The BSF will be without a flagship for [at least a few more] years
http://www.ng.ru/armies/2018-07-17/100_moscow170718.html?print=Y

Bad news. To plug this gap, they may transfer a CG from the NF or PF.
In a few years, the Ukraina fate may also be resolved- we will see if Russia will get her before she's scrapped!  

walle83 wrote:Is it any news of the old Kerch cruiser in the BSF? Will it be scrapped after the fire or could it see some more active duty?

Singular_Transform wrote:http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14648/this-video-about-the-navys-decaying-shipyards-makes-its-355-ships-goal-seem-laughable

...Regardless, these facilities are an embarrassment. We expect to see this type of thing in Russia, not in facilities that are critical to supporting the world's most powerful and technologically advanced Navy. ...

hoom wrote:Those are all built, in build or announced plans though.

• As far as I'm aware there aren't contracts for 18, there are 7 in construction but the number 18 has been repeatedly stated & seems a reasonable target.
  
• 6* Buyan-M are in service, the other 6 in construction.
  
• All 6* 22160 are laid down.
  
• 1 of the icebreakers is laid down, pretty sure there is contract for the 2nd & I think its expected to be laid down soon.
  
• All 10* 20380 & both 20385 are under construction.
  
• Only the 1st 20386 is laid down, no progress made public but 10 is the number thats been announced as the plan for the class, it being intended to be the new main Frigate size ship. Clearly the actual number built has a fair chance of being different but when making a chart of 'what might the future navy look like' isn't it reasonable to take the announced 10?
  
• Both Gepards are built.
  
• 3* 11356 are in service the other 3 depicted are in construction, whether all 6 are completed, only the 3 already in service or only 1 more is still unclear but optimistically why not show all 6?
  
• 4* 22350 are in service or under construction.
  
• We don't know much about 22380M other than the project name, estimated 8,000ton size, some depictions from industry that would fit with a bigger/improved 22350 & announcement of 8 planned, its consistent to depict 8 of them.
  
• 6* Lider based on the public display model & announced plan for 6.
  
• 2* Ivan Gren, 1 is in service the 2nd is launched.
  
• 2* Livina are again based off a model & CGIs made by a company submitting proposals, Russian Navy clearly wants them as replacement for the un-delivered Mistrals.
  
• 2* Kirovs were completed, both are planned to be upgraded.

GarryB wrote:

K would probably go out of service either immediately after 1st new CV completes (if one ever starts) or at most the 2nd.

Why spend money overhauling the K if it is useless?

If it is not useless why scrap it just because you have one new one?

If they have two new ones that means they have three, so one in refit/overhaul, one on patrol and one in training... retiring the K just means less carrier support available.

Three carriers are more useful than two.

Actually the above chart shows three new carriers (CVNs)... plus the K... perhaps they could modify the K into an arsenal ship covered in UKSK bins and SAM launchers replacing the entire deck and hangar area, with enormous Kinzhal launchers with a solid rocket booster twice the length of the existing missile... effectively creating an Iskander with a range of 1,500-2,000km range.

Being a naval vessel it will not conflict with the INF treaty or any other treaty... as long as its range is less than 5,500km it is not a strategic missile...

Some times air support will be needed but often just lots of SAMs and cruise missiles might be what is needed... put a couple of 203mm long range artillery guns on board and you are set...

Russia will not have 3 new carriers in next 25-30 years.

hoom wrote:I'd call it optimistic rather than fantasy or its based off the publicly stated fantasy of senior Russian Govt officials.

Those profiles are based on the models that have been publicly presented by companies submitting proposals so its not fair to just call them fanart even if nobody expects the final program to actually look like that.
Obviously announced numbers aren't the same as contracts signed or construction completed, neither of which even guarantees construction completing & ships going into service..........

hoom wrote:.....
But do you believe there will be 18* 22800s built?
As far as I'm aware there aren't contracts for 18, there are 7 in construction but the number 18 has .........

GarryB wrote:Why spend money overhauling the K if it is useless?

If it is not useless why scrap it just because you have one new one?

In the second half of 2018, Russian naval units in the Pacific are expected to receive two improved Project 22800 guided-missile corvettes, one Project 21980 Grachenok counter-sabotage high-speed armed patrol craft and some minor auxiliary vessels, ..
And much more is to come. Pacific units expect to take possession of at least 30 new warships (11 new submarines and 19 new surface combatants) and seven new major auxiliary vessels by 2024, Muraviev said. These include guided-missile frigates, guided-missile corvettes and mine hunters.
Bilateral cooperation in naval shipbuilding may also intensify. “Chinese companies already supply the Russian navy with limited amounts of ship engines to ease the shortfall caused by suspension of defense collaboration with Ukraine and Germany,” he said. ..
At a time when China has built over-capacity in its shipbuilding industry, it would make sense for Chinese yards to build entire ships for Russia. “It may be possible that Chinese shipbuilders will be involved in some naval construction programs for the Russian navy,” Muraviev said. http://www.atimes.com/article/russia-expands-assets-and-naval-horizons-across-indo-pacific/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=c471ae694f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_15_01_12&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-c471ae694f-31607385

Tsavo Lion wrote:

In the second half of 2018, Russian naval units in the Pacific are expected to receive two improved Project 22800 guided-missile corvettes, one Project 21980 Grachenok counter-sabotage high-speed armed patrol craft and some minor auxiliary vessels, ..
And much more is to come. Pacific units expect to take possession of at least 30 new warships (11 new submarines and 19 new surface combatants) and seven new major auxiliary vessels by 2024, Muraviev said. These include guided-missile frigates, guided-missile corvettes and mine hunters.
Bilateral cooperation in naval shipbuilding may also intensify. “Chinese companies already supply the Russian navy with limited amounts of ship engines to ease the shortfall caused by suspension of defense collaboration with Ukraine and Germany,” he said. ..
At a time when China has built over-capacity in its shipbuilding industry, it would make sense for Chinese yards to build entire ships for Russia. “It may be possible that Chinese shipbuilders will be involved in some naval construction programs for the Russian navy,” Muraviev said. http://www.atimes.com/article/russia-expands-assets-and-naval-horizons-across-indo-pacific/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=c471ae694f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_08_15_01_12&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-c471ae694f-31607385

If there is a demand, there'll be ready supply!

And there is more to come. Russian units in just the Pacific expect to take delivery of 37 new vessels by 2024 – a major acceleration compared to the 28 new units received in the region over the last decade. This indicates that despite scrapping programs deemed too expensive – notably the Leader-class destroyer and Storm aircraft carrier program – the Kremlin is moving ahead with a very ambitious naval upgrade.

Tsavo Lion wrote:But even if it is, there's a grain of truth: Russia has under capacity in shipbuilding, while China has overcapacity, evidenced of the speed of her naval buildup in last decade. Who else is going to buy their medium/big ships? At best, u can count those countries on 1 hand!