Russian Naval Construction Plans and Statistics Update

Tsavo Lion wrote:

The construction of ships equipped with cruise missiles will become a priority in the development of the Navy for the next decade. This was stated today, as reported by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov.
"The main emphasis in the coming decade will be made on the construction of ships of 'near sea zone", equipped with precision weapons, including cruise missiles," Borisov said at a meeting with the leadership of the Navy and representatives of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. ..
Borisov also stressed that the development will receive a strategic nuclear fleet, repair and modernization of the ships of "the far sea zone" (nuclear missile cruisers) Admiral Nakhimov and Peter the Great. http://www.ng.ru/news/601420.html?print=Y

Nothing was said about the Lider class & CV/CVN types among other priorities. Economic situation is unsertain, so r the naval construction plans for those.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:

The most massive ship in this segment will be a modernized frigate project 22350M, equipped with high-precision weapons, "said the commander-in-chief. A series of frigates of the base project 22350 has been built for more than ten years at Severnaya Verf in St. Petersburg. The head frigate Admiral Gorshkov was laid back in 2006. His transfer to the fleet was repeatedly postponed, but, according to the latest data, the ship will enter service by the end of this year.
The ship is equipped with a universal missile system Caliber-NK with an ammunition of 32 Onyx or Caliber missiles with the possibility of engaging sea and coastal targets, the Polite-Redut anti-aircraft missile system, the Paket complex, one 130- mm artillery A-192, two missile and artillery systems of self-defense "Palash". The aviation armament consists of a Ka-27PL helicopter.
The second and third frigate of the project - "Admiral Kasatonov" and "Admiral Golovko" - will be included in the Navy in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
http://www.ng.ru/news/602670.html?print=Y

No surprise here! How many more years before they'll have the #s to form a CBG?

Last time Bondarev said that no earlier then STOVL either will be developed. I.e. by current procurement programme.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Now pl. tell us what is ur definition of "under production".
Clue: only something a person in the yard can touch, not read from some document.

The-thing-next-door wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:he has the Project 22350 listed has a DD. When that ship is not comparable to a DD

The Russian Navy has it listed as a destroyer so are they wrong?

eehnie wrote:

eehnie wrote:Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
Project 20386 Frigate/Corvette
Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer

This notation means that while these warships receive an official designation they are in a size cathegory habitually formed by warships of other cathegory:

The Project 23560 are designed Destroyer, while they are ships over 10000 tons.
The Project 22350 are considered Frigates, while they are ships between 5000 and 10000 tons.
The Project 20380/20385 are considered Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.
The Project 20386 are designed Corvettes, while they are ships between 1500 and 5000 tons.

The reason of this notation is that despite its official designations:

The Project 23560 are likely to replace other ships over 10000 tons => Cruisers.
The Project 22350 are likely to replace other ships between 5000 and 10000 tons => Destroyers (+ Project 1134B Cruiser)
The Project 20380/20385 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)
The Project 20386 are likely to replace other ships between 1500 and 5000 tons => Frigates (+ Project 61/01090 Destroyer)

To note that the Project 1204 boats are very likely to be replaced by bigger warships.

Kimppis wrote:eehnie's naval "projections" have been full of shit lately, but come on...

He simply said that Gorshkovs are 5000 tons and Super-Gorshkovs are above that, hence those ships are going to be between 5000 and 10,000 tons.

The project 20380 ships are corvettes, which he defines as ships that are between 1500 and 5000 tons. He didn't say that 20380s are exactly or even close to 5000 tons. Do you disagree?

It seems it can also be argued that 20386s are "frigates", to a large extent anyway. Corvettes with 24 VLS? Those are some very heavily armed "corvettes". And probably partially for that reason the Russians have not ordered additional Grigorovich-class ships. EDIT: And btw, so are those 20380... heavy corvettes, atleast.

Are you also seriously arguing that classes like Type 052D and Type 45 are not destroyers? That destroyers have to be as heavy as ABs, close to 10,000 tons? Are Type 055s destroyers or cruisers? The Chinese call them "destroyers". How about Zumwalts?

Kirovs don't actually fit any category... They are much bigger and more heavily armed than Ticos... So if Kirovs just simply fit their "designation", then are Ticos not cruisers?

IMO, even the standard Gorshkov is sort of a light destroyer and the super-Gorshkovs are certainly going to be destroyers. Also, the 20386s are too heavy to be simply designated as corvettes. 1:1 comparisons between Gorshkovs and ABs are BS, the Russian Navy is not going to face its American counterpart outside the range of Russia's anti-access and land-based assets. Similarly 1:1 comparing China's Type 052D to ABs is IMO misleading...