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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:13 pm

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:What are the 3 sand camo airframes on the left?

    Algerian su24 with desert camo. You can google "akgerian su24" and see them.
    Thanks.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:28 pm

    Isos wrote:13 su24 and 1 mig29. 6 su-24 are algerians. Maybe the mig-29 is also algerian, not sure but I think they wanted to upgrade them.

    The other su24 could be used for spare parts and are out of service since long time.

    The MiG-29 is from the VKS. You can see the red star and the letters on the tail.
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:16 am

    Hole wrote:
    Isos wrote:13 su24 and 1 mig29. 6 su-24 are algerians. Maybe the mig-29 is also algerian, not sure but I think they wanted to upgrade them.

    The other su24 could be used for spare parts and are out of service since long time.

    The MiG-29 is from the VKS. You can see the red star and the letters on the tail.

    Russia still operates over 120 Su-24 M+M2+MR

    This means at least one dozen of Su-24 go to ARZ for capital repairs every year

    It is posible a squadron will be restored for raise a new mixed regiment Su-24M2+Su-24MR in the East


    https://www.newsvl.ru/society/2019/10/24/184900/#ixzz63v9g4eev
    In 2020, OAK plans on repairing 6 Su-24M2 aircraft based in Khabarovsk (277th Bomber Aviation Regiment) at the 514th ARZ in Rzhev, Tver (~9000 km away), instead of at the 322th ARZ (1000 km away), which is laying-off workers and in desperate need of orders.He said the plant needs orders for at least 8 aircraft per year. In 2017, the 322 ARZ repaired 17 aircraft and employed 734 people. The plant now employs 530 people, but risks losing another 300 if it continues to reduce salaries or force employees to do part time work.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:39 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Isos wrote:13 su24 and 1 mig29. 6 su-24 are algerians. Maybe the mig-29 is also algerian, not sure but I think they wanted to upgrade them.

    The other su24 could be used for spare parts and are out of service since long time.

    The MiG-29 is from the VKS. You can see the red star and the letters on the tail.

    Russia still operates over 120 Su-24 M+M2+MR

    This means at least one dozen of Su-24 go to ARZ for capital repairs every year

    It is posible a squadron will be restored for raise a new mixed regiment Su-24M2+Su-24MR in the East


    https://www.newsvl.ru/society/2019/10/24/184900/#ixzz63v9g4eev
    In 2020, OAK plans on repairing 6 Su-24M2 aircraft based in Khabarovsk (277th Bomber Aviation Regiment) at the 514th ARZ in Rzhev, Tver (~9000 km away), instead of at the 322th ARZ (1000 km away), which is laying-off workers and in desperate need of orders.He said the plant needs orders for at least 8 aircraft per year. In 2017, the 322 ARZ repaired 17 aircraft and employed 734 people. The plant now employs 530 people, but risks losing another 300 if it continues to reduce salaries or force employees to do part time work.

    Are these plants simply just repair plants for specific aircraft? It may be hard for me to say but if there isn't just enough orders for repairing older aircraft, they may have to close the one shop. Or can it be converted to do other tasks?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:58 pm

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2020/02/15/vyacheslav-volodin-schitaet-vozmojnym-sozdat-na-zemlyah-saza-indystrialnyy-park.html

    State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin proposes to build an industrial park on the lands of the former Saratov Aviation Plant.


    https://fn-volga.ru/news/view/id/139573

    I totally agree about recreating a factory in the former lands of saratov aviation plant...

    Still I don't understand what does he mean about opening foreign production there...


    Vyacheslav Volodin wrote: We discussed this issue with the governor [Valery Radaev], we discussed it just yesterday with the Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation [Denis Manturov]. If we only have this decision, we already have ideas on which of the large foreign companies we could invite in order to expand their branches and enterprises in Saratov, ”said Vyacheslav Volodin. “By the middle of this year, I hope to come to a discussion of the industrial park.”


    There are quite a bit of new projects in Russia and if they are successful they could require a second production site for some of them... or just go forward with new production...
    It does not make much sense to give it to foreign companies in my opinion

    I also hope that Aviakor in Samara will be saved... either nationalised or bought by a patriot...

    As an example... of the existing aircraft (not helicopter) factories...

    VASO in voronezh currently produces il96 and will produce il112v

    Ural civil aviation plant in Ekaterinenburg produces the Let-410 , the austrian da42 and should also produce the 30 passengers aircraft derived from the Let-610



    Irkutsk Aviation Plant produces yak 130, su30 and mc21

    Kazan factory produces tu160 and tu214

    Knaapo (konsomolk on amur) produces su57, su34 and ssj100

    Lukhovitsy plant (Moscow region) will produce the il-114

    OJSC "Nizhny Novgorod Aviation Plant" Sokol ""produces mig29 and mig35 (and modernizes the mig31)

    NAPO in Novosibirsik produces Su34, and the S70 UAV


    Smolensk aircraft factory produces only small aircrafts (Yak-18T , SM-92T)

    Taganrog Aviation plant is producing Be200 and possibly Be42/A40 86Be-200

    Ulan-UdeUlan-Ude Aviation Plant in addition to helicopter production retained capability of producing Su-25. The Baikal light aircraft will also be produced there.

    Aviastar in Ulyanovsk produces il76, can produce tu204 and will most probably be the factory dedicated to the An-124 replacement production.

    Aviakor in Samara did produce until recently an140, and in the Soviet times even produced airliners and strategic bombers.

    For sure they need a new place where to produce the new medium transporter (tu330 or il276)... if the choices go for the tu330 Aviakor would be a possibility, since kazan plant is quite busy with the tu160 and has also orders for military versions of the Tu214.

    Since Saratov was associated with Yakovlev it would be a perfect place for building from scratch an eventual second production factory for the mc21, if needed (but I doubt it). Or it could be built there a factory to produce an eventual new supersonic VTOL, should the project continue...
    Or, even better for the carrier AWACS Yak-44 and its transporter and tanker versions...


    Note:
    Other ideas for production there could be for a military transport aircraft in size between the 5 tons playload il112v and the new medium trasporter (20-30 tons payload)... I am talking about a new russian transporter in the 9tons -12 tons payload capacity, like the easa C295, the proposed An132 or the Alenia C27J...

    Or, and here I am joking but Tsavo will be happy, a Russian version of the Chinese Y20 (that is anyway an antonov design) with russian engines....





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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:32 pm

    Issue is Russia has a lot of plants but overall production is low. Adding another one isn't best idea.

    In modern technology, a single plant can produce more than before. NAPO, KnaAPO, Sokol, etc all have been or are undergoing modernization. While at same time they are expanding civilian production of goods and scaling back military as orders not big enough for their modern plants overall production capabilities.

    Maybe they should rethink this and look at other business options. I imagine this next plane manufacturing plant will sit rather idle regardless what they choose to manufacture (foreign or domestic)
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:41 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Issue is Russia has a lot of plants but overall production is low.  Adding another one isn't best idea.

    In modern technology, a single plant can produce more than before. NAPO, KnaAPO, Sokol, etc all have been or are undergoing modernization.  While at same time they are expanding civilian production of goods and scaling back military as orders not big enough for their modern plants overall production capabilities.

    Maybe they should rethink this and look at other business options. I imagine this next plane manufacturing plant will sit rather idle regardless what they choose to manufacture (foreign or domestic)

    It is true that production is low, it is however also true that most of the civilian aircrafts used in Russia is of foreign production... if they want to change this they need to seriously increase production capability.... anyway if one had to be more pragmatic, maybe they could use those lands to put a new production factory for naval diesel engines and gearboxes, since it is Zvezda in saint Petersburg cannot cope with the requests...

    In addition there are many aircraft engine components e.g. those previously manufactured in the ukraine that would need modern replacement...

    Also all of the modern aircraft system of foreign production currently in ssj100 and MC21... i know that russian companies are working on their replacements... well they could put some of the new factories in Saratov... that would be the best way to use the space
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:58 pm

    Or, and here I am joking but Tsavo will be happy, a Russian version of the Chinese Y20 (that is anyway an antonov design) with russian engines....
    the IL-106 will be even better, but they ordered more IL-476/8s & A-100s, so I doubt those Y-20-like transports will even be considered for production anytime soon.
    They could also make UAVs, future tilt/tandem rotors & other helos at Saratov.
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    Post  dino00 on Thu May 21, 2020 2:05 pm

    Source: the general director of PJSC "Tupolev" Konyukhov will leave his post in the coming days

    The source did not specify what the personnel changes are related to and who will replace Konyukhov as the head of Tupolev.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8529493

    Hmm Suspect

    “We do not comment on the rumors,” the KLA press service said


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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 21, 2020 3:26 pm

    Management shuffle is a common practice in the defense industry.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:07 pm

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4373245


    06/08/2020, 17:57
    Marina Kovaleva

    86 hectares of Saratov Aviation Plant territory returned to state ownership

     

    The Federal Property Management Agency managed to return 86 hectares of land previously owned by the Saratov Aviation Plant. This was reported by State Duma deputy Nikolai Pankov.
    It is about 81 land. According to the deputy, two of them, as well as one SAZ shelter, are registered as state property.
    The next decision on the lands of the former aircraft plant was made in the Volga Arbitration Court in Kazan. The court of cassation upheld the decision of the first instance to recover from illegal possession 17 land plots with a total area of ​​more than 23 hectares.
    Claims have been filed and are pending in court for 26 more land plots with an area of more than 186 hectares, the largest of which is an area of ​​171 hectares - the territory of the former aerodrome of the enterprise.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:23 am

    Putting the Il-106 into production would be a good idea if the design and engines are ready for production... I suspect new engines are holding back most projects to produce new planes at the moment... but when they are sorted then aircraft can start to be built in larger volumes.

    Perhaps an idea to get the factories working would be to pick a few older airframes in storage that will likely never be needed by the Russian Air Force and get them out of storage... give them a quick upgrade and gift them to allied countries in a bid to get contracts to upgrade other similar aircraft those countries might already operate.

    Hard to make sensible suggestions without knowing what aircraft they have in storage but the sort of aircraft I am talking about are all the single engined fighter and strike types like the MiG-21s and 23s and 27s and of course the Fitter family of aircraft too. They could take the secret stuff out of a few more exotic types like Su-15s and Su-11s and gift them to museums in the western world... perhaps in trade for more exotic western types they could display in Russia...

    Whether cleaning up and sterilising for foreign display (non flyable of course... no need to spend too much money on them), and of course extra airframes for allies with simple upgrades that make them cheaper to service and operate and to improve their performance to carry modern air to air and air to ground weapons that they could sell and of course the countries that receive them might buy the same upgrades for their existing fleet to make their existing types more useful and more effective and cheaper to operate too.

    It would give the factories work and might secure them future work as well with upgrades for countries that operate those types... a sort of free extra aircraft if you pay for the upgrades and if you like the upgrades then pay for your fleet to be upgraded too which will make your fleet more effective and also perhaps cheaper to operate...

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