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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:39 pm

    What?

    While it would be nice, Russia doesn't need want of them besides as customers to buy Russian equipment. Outside if that, there isn't much they can offer. Russia's territory is already massive and has far more people than the counties you mentioned combined.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:45 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    Russia will need to absorb Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, this is the only way for Russia to fully restore its capacity to be self sustainable and be strong enough to effectively fend off a combined Nato & co military and/or economic war. ............

    Have you lost your mind?

    USSR had them and they proven to be nothing but disloyal deadweight.

    Hell, even now they still are and are more trouble than they are worth but sadly countries can't pick their locations.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:08 pm

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #26 - Page 10 KqDpxVj

    Belarus was pretty well much being used heavily like Russia was to upkeep rest of the republics.
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    Post  Ispan Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:52 pm

    Back to the topic of the war.

    We don't know what's happening in the front lines, but we can take an educated guess.

    To western MSM the total defeat of the Ukrainian forces in the summer of 2014 didn't exist. Nobody dares say what's the actual death toll. For the outside world there's no war, just a truce with some sporadic shooting.

    Except that we know better, we know there has been a position war with occasional breakthrough attempts throughout 2015 and things did worsen during 2016. Basuring briefings are useful as a thermometer of the intensity of the fighting, but I say the numbers of shellings are not credible, too low, and too precise.

    In today's briefing there was this interesting bit of data. It has been reported by Sputnik, somebody called my attention to it.


    Also, our investigation established the arrival of the merchant vessel "Amal Neptune" in the port of Mariupol with military freight consisting of artillery and mortar shells of various caliber. The total weight of the "humanitarian aid" is approximately 1,500 tons.

    I feel vindicated because this is consistent with I have been calculating. We have consistent and reliable data coming from Ukrainian sources that report tens of wounded (and that means also dead) daily over months. This matches a picture , adjusted to scale, a fairly typical of a static front without major battles, from either of the world wars. It's not all out war, but neither there is a "cease fire"


    So the following conclusions:

    1) The ukrops are starting to run low on ammunition.

    If that weren't the case, it would not be worth the trouble picking up a delivery of a paltry 150 tons of Kalashnikov cartridges sent by Lithuania. Ot this ship with its load of mortar and artillery rounds. And there must have been some other shipments that have gone unreported.

    I already suspected it from other clues and the examination of the data on prewar stockpiles, wich were well researched and published in many sources, but now these are not just guesses, now I am certain.


    2) Doing a quick calculation, these 1.500 tons are enough ammo for more or less one month of bombardment at the present rate. As a comparison, in the fire at the ammo dump at Svatovo blew up over 3.500 tons.

    Even if you are skeptical, it's enough to wonder about these questions:

    - If there is not a war going on, whatever happened to all those scores of wounded that arrive each day to hospitals in the cities of Ukraine, well to the rear? (and the associated dead) It cannot be that the Novorussians are such good fighters that they have shot them all just with the Kalashnikovs

    - If all the hundreds of cannon and morterars in the frontlines fire barely a few hundred shells daily... then, why the ukrops would want to have deliveries of more shells, if they inherited from the Soviet Union mountains of ammunition for an army of a million men in size? They litherally had a million tons of artillery and mortar rounds. Even if there's only a fraction of it remaining after 20 years, in the case that a truce was holding , they would still have enough ammo for a decade at the rate of firing as reported by oficcial briefings from OSCE and DNR, taken at face value.

    They would certainly not need to receive a mere thousand tons from abroad... unless they have been shelling everyday for te past 2 and a half years.

    I am confident that there's a real war going on, even if it's low intensity positional warfare, with daily exchanges of thousands of shells and mortar bombs a day, not the few dozens or couple hundreds that are reported, and uncountable shooting with rifles, machineguns and other weapons.

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    Post  Ispan Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:31 pm

    UPDATE

    Latest report from "Mage" seems to confirm what I posted

    http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1691851.html

    relevant excerpt

    У ВСУ большой расход мин и снарядов, а линия фронта без изменений. Результатом только новые жертвы и разрушенные дома.

    Причем по уровню обстрелов можно сделать вывод, что за последние три недели по нам летит все то, что накапливалось последние полгода в случае наступления.


    Loose translation

    "The Ukrainian Forces have a high consumption of mortar bombs and shells, and the front line remains unchanged. The result is only more casualties and destroyed homes.

    Moreover, the level of attacks we can conclude that for the last three weeks they have fired all the ammunition that they accumulated for the last six months."

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:20 pm

    Ispan wrote:UPDATE

    Latest report from "Mage" seems to confirm what I posted

    http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1691851.html

    relevant excerpt

    У ВСУ большой расход мин и снарядов, а линия фронта без изменений. Результатом только новые жертвы и разрушенные дома.

    Причем по уровню обстрелов можно сделать вывод, что за последние три недели по нам летит все то, что накапливалось последние полгода в случае наступления.


    Loose translation

    "The Ukrainian Forces have a high consumption of mortar bombs and shells, and the front line remains unchanged. The result is only more casualties and destroyed homes.

    Moreover, the level of attacks we can conclude that for the last three weeks they have fired all the ammunition  that they  accumulated for the last six months."


    This is all consistent with Obama's scorched earth exit policy. They were trying to get the Banderatards to bait Russia into action at all costs.
    This requires serious harassment and not just a few shells lobbed here and there. Interesting how in this new age of Orwellian mass media the
    war in the Donbas is invisible. Russia does not make much out of it not to take the bait and the NATO mass media ignores it since it makes
    their pet regime in Kiev look bad.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:00 pm

    KIEV (Sputnik) — Commander of European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe Curtis Scaparrotti visited the military operation zone in Donbass to check the effectiveness of use of US equipment provided by Washington to Ukraine, the press-service of the General Staff of Ukrainian Armed Forces said on Thursday.

    "American military delegation visited the anti-terrorist operation zone… During the visit the American party got acquainted with the security politics on the territory of Luhansk and Donetsk regions and saw the effectiveness of the use of equipment provided by the US," the statement says.


    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201612151048613390-donbas-equipment-us/
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:58 am

    Apparently heavy bombardment going on by Ukie scum. Novorussia being as pacifists as they are, are just now counter firing. This is pretty stupid of Russia and Novorussia not driving the final nail into Ukraine casket.

    Oh well.

    Update - the Novorussians countered the Ukie attack at debaltsevo.
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    Post  Neutrality Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:48 pm

    LNR command reports 30 casualities (Kalinovka, near Debaltseve) on VSU side. The battle is still ongoing.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:55 pm

    The "strongest army of Europe" got its ass handed to them by miners. Again.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:46 pm

    Seems Ukraine has geared up for full scale attack. We may see end of Novorussia due to inactivity of certain people and countries. Lets hope I am wrong.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:36 am

    It is said that Maidan captured the settlement of Lozove

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    Post  Project Canada Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:20 am


    thats pretty bad., hope Novorossia pushes them back and retake Kiev
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:18 am

    They are pounding the area beyond that pretty hard. Not ideal to go in and take it back yet.
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    Post  eehnie Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:50 am

    If there is an Ukranian attack, I would not expect the counter attack to be limited only to the area of the attack.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:13 pm

    eehnie wrote:If there is an Ukranian attack, I would not expect the counter attack to be limited only to the area of the attack.
    There will not be any counter attacks.

    Russia does not want the DPR/LPR expanding their territories anymore.
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    Post  eehnie Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:45 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    eehnie wrote:If there is an Ukranian attack, I would not expect the counter attack to be limited only to the area of the attack.
    There will not be any counter attacks.

    Russia does not want the DPR/LPR expanding their territories anymore.

    I think it will be. I think Ukraine will lose some territory in the Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts, if they attack. They are two potential cauldrons to achive outside the area of Svetlodarks.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:59 pm

    Possibility that the action around the Svetlodarsk arc may become a full offensive to try and take Debaltsevo. Words coming from LNR military spokesman Major Andrei Marochko indicate that this is now seen as a possibility. Remember that the operation to liberate Debaltsevo began in a rather seemingly "low key" manner and it was not clear for several days what the objective was. Should become clearer by daybreak or noon tomorrow if this is serious or the normal provocation by Kiev and we can all go back to sleep.
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:04 pm

    Trying to get a picture of what is happening in Debaltseve, perhaps could be confirmed. Suspect

    - a recon in force by the UA took a hilltop
    - NAF counterattacked and cut them off
    - UA sent a battalion to rescue but they drove straight into a minefield No
    - UA sent in more units including Azov and Right Sector
    - NAF gunners having a turkey shoot, heavy causalities dunno


    same, same confused
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:31 am

    franco wrote:Trying to get a picture of what is happening in Debaltseve, perhaps could be confirmed. Suspect

    -  a recon in force by the UA took a hilltop
    - NAF counterattacked and cut them off
    - UA sent a battalion to rescue but they drove straight into a minefield No
    - UA sent in more units including Azov and Right Sector
    - NAF gunners having a turkey shoot, heavy causalities  dunno


    same, same   confused

    Confirmed only heavy casualties for phase 1/2/3.

    Ukrainians having over 80 casualties (WIA/KIA) in 2 days.

    Probably around 20/30 for NAF (but all feared critical or dead).
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    Post  KiloGolf Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:36 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Ukrainians having over 80 casualties (WIA/KIA) in 2 days.

    Loosing roughly an infantry company in just 48 hours. Ukropia never ceases to amaze me.
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    Post  Ispan Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:03 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Ukrainians having over 80 casualties (WIA/KIA) in 2 days.

    Loosing roughly an infantry company in just 48 hours. Ukropia never ceases to amaze me.

    That's just average daily casualties for this year. They lose that everyday. On top of that add casualties for these two days of combats in a single sector, wich are around 100 dead and double or treble that in wounded.

    Our side is also taking losses, 30 dead, and many wounded in Yenakievo and Debaltsevo hospitals.

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