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    Post  GreyHog Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Or it could be like the tank project that went tits up and everybody ended up making their own tanks...

    Could you be speaking about MBT-70/KPz 70 project? A joint US-Germany MBT project marred with disagreements that range from gun and engine elements and even up to unit measurement (metric vs imperial) so much so that it was eventually abandoned? Laughing

    To be fair tho, left up to their own devices, The US and Germany eventually developed respectable tanks afterwards (M1 Abrams and Leo 2, IIRC), which no doubt had lessons taken from MBT-70/KPz 70 programme
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:46 am

    Finty wrote:

    You watch, Germany and France will fall out and the Jerries will join the UK et al on Tempest. Well, that's what I want to see at least!

    IMHO Germany needs to stick to France if they want to get a bit more independence. France is not part of Anglo-Saxon world. Not to mention then both UK and US have still occupational forces on German ground. No independent country has occupational forces on its soil. Germany would not get permit for nukes France has them and a seat in security council. Germans have biggest economy in EU. Second after Russian in Europe. So French-German interest coincidence is much stronger then the one might think.

    Especially now when UK decided to play Anglo-Saxon league (AUKUS most recently), there's neither place for Germany nor for France there, The question is whether second league like Spain or Italy will gravitate towards Franco-German core or rathe towards UK/US in military programmes.

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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:20 pm

    This french-german coworking on every new project alliance is retarded.

    It never worked and will never.

    German should just create their own aircraft. Nazi knew how to do so.

    Tempest is even less likely to happen. They will buy that US 6th gen fighter. Tempest program is made by UK, Italy and Sweeden. Mainly I think. 3 US bitch that have to buy US stuff.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:47 am

    Isos wrote:This french-german coworking on every new project alliance is retarded.

    Did you mean delayed? Very Happy Well at least they try to do something on their own without US. Its not only about weapons its about new technology. I hope they'll succeed. Whether UK can do Tempest? with current cuts in defence programmes 50:50.

    Im sure US will keep pushing own solutions. Yet all sanctions against other countries might be ano go for US export in this case.







    German should just create their own aircraft. Nazi knew how to do so.

    Germans did. Nazi were like cancer on Germany.

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