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    Post  GreyHog Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:55 am

    GarryB wrote:Or it could be like the tank project that went tits up and everybody ended up making their own tanks...

    Could you be speaking about MBT-70/KPz 70 project? A joint US-Germany MBT project marred with disagreements that range from gun and engine elements and even up to unit measurement (metric vs imperial) so much so that it was eventually abandoned? Laughing

    To be fair tho, left up to their own devices, The US and Germany eventually developed respectable tanks afterwards (M1 Abrams and Leo 2, IIRC), which no doubt had lessons taken from MBT-70/KPz 70 programme

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:46 am

    Finty wrote:

    You watch, Germany and France will fall out and the Jerries will join the UK et al on Tempest. Well, that's what I want to see at least!

    IMHO Germany needs to stick to France if they want to get a bit more independence. France is not part of Anglo-Saxon world. Not to mention then both UK and US have still occupational forces on German ground. No independent country has occupational forces on its soil. Germany would not get permit for nukes France has them and a seat in security council. Germans have biggest economy in EU. Second after Russian in Europe. So French-German interest coincidence is much stronger then the one might think.

    Especially now when UK decided to play Anglo-Saxon league (AUKUS most recently), there's neither place for Germany nor for France there, The question is whether second league like Spain or Italy will gravitate towards Franco-German core or rathe towards UK/US in military programmes.

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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:20 pm

    This french-german coworking on every new project alliance is retarded.

    It never worked and will never.

    German should just create their own aircraft. Nazi knew how to do so.

    Tempest is even less likely to happen. They will buy that US 6th gen fighter. Tempest program is made by UK, Italy and Sweeden. Mainly I think. 3 US bitch that have to buy US stuff.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:47 am

    Isos wrote:This french-german coworking on every new project alliance is retarded.

    Did you mean delayed? Very Happy Well at least they try to do something on their own without US. Its not only about weapons its about new technology. I hope they'll succeed. Whether UK can do Tempest? with current cuts in defence programmes 50:50.

    Im sure US will keep pushing own solutions. Yet all sanctions against other countries might be ano go for US export in this case.







    German should just create their own aircraft. Nazi knew how to do so.

    Germans did. Nazi were like cancer on Germany.
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    Post  George1 Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:32 am

    14 French Rafale fighters disassembled for parts

    According to French publications, on October 6, 2021, at a hearing in the Senate of the French National Assembly, the Minister of the French Armed Forces, Florence Parley, voiced what the French military has long been talking about on the sidelines:
    “14 Rafale aircraft of the French aerospace forces are tightly nailed to the ground because they are simply disassembled for parts. " Fighter Dassault Rafale C Aerospace Forces France (c) Aerospace Forces France

    As of July 1, 2020, the French Aerospace Forces had 102 Dassault Rafale fighters, but having aircraft does not mean flying them, 14 of them were completely unusable and were partially disassembled to maintain the remaining aircraft of this type in flight condition. Professionals blame the Defense Planning Act (LPM) for 2009-2014 for this situation, when, due to the failures of Dassault Aircraff in exporting Rafale aircraft, the military bought Rafale aircraft from it without a set of spare parts, so over time some of them themselves has become a source of missing parts.

    If LPM 2019-2025 is implemented in full, then by 2025 the combat strength of the French Aerospace Forces will reach 129 Rafale aircraft, while the order of the French armed forces from Dassault Aviation will be financed, including through the sale of 12 used Greece in 2021-2022. Rafale from the presence of videoconferencing. As soon as the Greek contract was signed in January 2021, Armed Forces Minister Florence Parley soon notified Dassault Aviation of the order for the Aerospace Forces to replace the 12 Rafale sold in F3R standard. The order, she explained to the newspaper Les Echos, would be “funded under the Defense Planning Law, the loans of which will be supplemented by proceeds from the sale of used aircraft in Greece,” which was then estimated at 400 million euros.

    However, now Parley says that “first and foremost, the contract with Greece will help restore aircraft that are not flying. It's not just a matter of an MCO (maintenance to maintain flight) contract, it's also a fact of being able to reintroduce aircraft, which in a sense served as a reservoir of spare parts. ” Thus, the proceeds from the sale of aircraft in Greece will not be used to finance the order for 12 new Rafale, which will be delivered to the French Aerospace Forces in 2025.

    At the same time, Minister Parley and military specialists are unanimous in their opinion - this practice of using working equipment as a source of spare parts to maintain the rest in working order is not new, and is often used, especially in countries with severe restrictions on the military budget.

    The minister is full of optimism, "The sale of used Rafale aircraft to Greece will not only make it possible to earn 400 million euros, but also to supply the French armed forces, instead of old, more modern aircraft capable of performing the most complex combat missions." The new aircraft, Parley said, will be “a plus for the Aerospace Forces, since on average our Rafale fleet will be more modern than what we would have had without these orders.” The military partly agreed with their minister: forces not only and not so much to make beautiful flights on Bastille Day, but to maintain their military potential, in other words, to be able to wage war. "

    In addition to modern aviation technology, the French aerospace forces need well-trained technicians and pilots. They need to provide a sufficient number of flight hours, purchase modern equipment (sensors, radar, overhead containers, etc.), not forgetting about a sufficient amount of weapons and ammunition. All this is necessary for them to fulfill their direct task: to conduct hostilities for a certain time, but some of the needs are sacrificed in order to fit into the framework of the military budget.

    As for the contract with Croatia for the supply of 12 Rafale fighters from the French Aerospace Forces, everything is less certain here, and negotiations are still ongoing. but if it is implemented, the French Aerospace Forces will receive in return from the industry the latest Rafale aircraft of the F4 standard. However, only after signing the contract, Dassault Aviation will place a new order for new aircraft.
    "Firstly, we will replenish this fleet as we planned to do" under the Greek contract, and secondly, we are exploring scenarios for enhancing the technical capabilities of [Rafale]. I mean, in particular, the fact that we do not have enough TALIOS suspended containers and radar [with AFAR]. Here we also intend to use the proceeds from the sale, ”Parley said.

    With a military budget of two percent of GDP, the French armed forces will receive only "equipment", but they need real "operational capabilities" for which there are not enough funds ...

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4415237.html
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    Post  George1 Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:11 pm

    France: DGA receives second Rafale B360 aircraft for French Air and Space Force

    The Directorate General of Armament (DGA) has taken delivery of the second Rafale B360 twin-seater aircraft at Dassault Aviation's facility in Mérignac, destined for the French Air and Space Force. The aircraft was then transported to the DGA Flight Test and Expertise Center in Istres to be upgraded to the F4.1 standard.
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    The Directorate General of Armament (DGA) has taken delivery of the second Rafale B360 twin-seater aircraft at Dassault Aviation's facility in Mérignac, destined for the French Air and Space Force. The aircraft was then transported to the DGA Flight Test and Expertise Center in Istres to be upgraded to the F4.1 standard.

    This Rafale B360 is part of a total order of 40 aircraft planned for delivery by the end of 2025, including 13 to the French Air and Space Force in 2023. Currently, the DGA has placed an order for 192 series aircraft, out of which 154 have already been delivered. An additional order for 42 Rafale aircraft is planned in 2023.

    All Rafale B360 twin-seater aircraft will undergo the F4-1 upgrade before being delivered to the French Air and Space Force. The F4-1 standard represents the latest advancements and enhancements in the Rafale’s capabilities.

    The Rafale is a multirole fighter aircraft that has proven its effectiveness in various missions, including air superiority, ground attack, and reconnaissance. With its advanced avionics, powerful engines, and weapon systems, the Rafale continues to strengthen the operational capabilities of the French Air and Space Force.


    https://defence-industry.eu/france-dga-receives-second-rafale-b360-aircraft-for-french-air-and-space-force/

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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:52 pm

    Qatar in talks to buy 24 more Rafale fighter jets

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4728843.html

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