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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:53 pm

    NATO sponsored plan for this war was something other than ukro one.
    Those things started to clear out after Russkie took Mariopol.
    Offensive operation against the republics was already brewing, and considering how things were carried later - I dare to claim they would have succeeded.
    It was to be a brutal, human wave flood to overrun the republican defensive positions and push forward to Doneck itself.
    DNR lacked any sort of defensive depth, the frontline was just at the suburbs of the city.
    The city was not fortified, for 8 years they had not pushed that limit and all the defensive positions were outside the city.
    Clashed with freshly trained and highly saturated with the newest NATO stuff ukrs, both republics would have felt, outgunned and overrun with numbers.
    Russia would have two choices: either to step down and watch the slaughter of Russians, or face the war anyway but on different rules given by the advancing ukrowehrmacht.

    On the other hand, NATO considered that when provoked - Russia would finally intervene, and curved the battle strategy into it.

    They knew perfectly well, that ukrs won't stand the Russians - there was no way of doing that.
    But they could inflict hell of a damage and human losses.
    Combined with economic pressure, they considered that strong enough to undermine Putin regime and make a hell of internal turmoil inside Russia.

    What they considered that Russia would do, was push forward for territory with a well-known Soviet tactics of bypassing and cutting off cities they wanted to take in good shape. They have done that all of WW2, sometimes accepting high casualty rates.
    They invested heavily in multiple strongholds based on urban structures, mines, cities.
    Hid safely among the civilian population in cut-off cities, NATO supplied longer-range artillery aimed by the NATO recon would have been used to inflict maximum damage against Russian logistics and rear.
    Ukrowehrmacht was unusually heavy in units created for sabotage. They have been trained for the purpose for years, by all of NATO, in the NATO special forces facilities.
    It was their plan - to bleed Russkie white, fighting their hands with civilian hostages kept in cities. Those civilians were Russkie subhuman, anyway.
    What they did not expect to happen, was the general effectiveness of the Russian army, which reached the Boh River in 3 weeks. Ukrowehrmacht collapsed, and they needed a breath as soon as April 2022.
    This is why all the western diplomacy was involved in deluding Putin with Istambul peace negotiations.
    It was a carrot while withdrawing the troops as a "goodwill gesture" was a goal.
    And Putin has swallowed the bait. We won't know the real reasons behind it - my personal opinion is that he did that on a humanitarian base.
    This has been used by  the propaganda as a major victory, with all the consequences.
    First, it pushed tens of thousands of volunteers into the ukrowehrmacht ranks. "We are winning!"...
    Those have been used as flesh & blood to build another ukrowehrmacht army.
    Second, it made the Europeans - mostly Poland - open their own warehouses wide.  
    This is when the Russians were forced to defend, as they lacked the numbers needed to push forward again.
    To avoid losses, they made a thought decision to withdraw from all the territories that were hard to defend.
    And this time, it was the ukrs who took the bait ... And paid badly the price of it.
    Now it is the time to finish them off.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Jan 04, 2025 1:09 pm

    It was also done to secure the remaining Soviet nukes being prepped for dispersal in Gostomel airport. If Putin was any slower on the draw these would have been smuggled into Russia and a series of sabotage attacks would be staged to cause the Russian state to capitulate to Kiev's demands.
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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:21 pm

    And Putin has swallowed the bait. We won't know the real reasons behind it
    Was part of the strategy to bring the people of Russia to support the SMO.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 04, 2025 4:45 pm

    Nope, Putin did not swallow any bait. The overhyping of the Ukr volunteers is nonsensical. Compare to Russia's volunteer numbers and you
    don't even get close to the ratio of Ukr to Russian population. Almost all of the Ukr army is conscripted for most of the last 3 years.

    1) Istanbul was very useful for Russia to throw off NATzO propaganda about supposedly Russia wanting to swallow all of Ukraine for
    USSR II. NATzO is not the center of the creation and the rest of the planet matters.

    2) All that sabotage training by NATzO of Ukrs did not serve any purpose on a static front. If NATzO strategists were so cunning why
    did they proceed with the Operation Meat Grinder as wave upon wave of Kiev regime forces were expended on this nearly static front.
    Was allowing Istanbul to succeed so terminal to NATzO's ambitions when their original plan failed? They would have gotten a long
    term foothold in most of Ukraine and no pieces of paper would have prevented this.

    Now NATzO is facing total defeat of Ukr forces and a rapid implosion where Russian forces roll all the way past Kiev without any serious
    resistance. All of those Ukr volunteers died or were made into gimps on the front and can no longer function as resistance. The
    inanity of proceeding to fight Russia and burning through 1.5-2 million KIA and WIA is surreal. Another loss for NATzO is that instead
    of "we can win" (which never served any benefit to the Kiev regime as we have seen) is replaced by "run away" and resentment of
    the press ganging of conscripts.

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    Post  franco Tue Jan 07, 2025 1:45 pm


    The Bite of the Piranha: Achievements of the People's Defense Industry in 2024 The developments of volunteer engineers are not inferior in quality to those of the factory

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 08, 2025 3:37 am

    They knew perfectly well, that ukrs won't stand the Russians - there was no way of doing that.

    I am not so sure... the west is full of itself and their opinion of Russia is clouded by their own propaganda and myth.

    Remember they were claiming the Russians were forced to a mass retreat from Kiev... the question really is... did the politicians know that was an agreed withdrawal due to the Istanbul agreement that had been initialled by Kiev... because when it came to the Summer offensive the west seemed convinced that when the Orcs applied pressure the Russians would just retreat again and the Orcs would take more ground and perhaps even get to the Black Sea and risk cutting off the Crimea again.

    I really do think they believed that the weapons they had given at the time was going to destroy the Russian forces and future weapons deliveries of even better weapons would secure victory over the Russians... remember this is essentially the HATO plan for a conventional WWII... absorb the numbers and then push back with lots of behind the lines guerilla activity.

    Well the reasons for the attacks in Kursk and the more recent failed offensive is because all the extra forces they have being trained in the west are not trained in trench warfare... they are trained in sabotage and behind lines attacks, so rather than sending them to the front line to be ground up by artillery and drones, they initiated futile attacks wasting valuable men and their best equipment.

    Combined with economic pressure, they considered that strong enough to undermine Putin regime and make a hell of internal turmoil inside Russia.

    Isolating Russia and defeating them on the battlefield all failed, but they didn't expect that and many don't seem to understand what happened... of course it is all China and Iran and North Koreas fault somehow.

    Ukrowehrmacht was unusually heavy in units created for sabotage. They have been trained for the purpose for years, by all of NATO, in the NATO special forces facilities.

    The HATO plan against the Soviets... let their numbers flow forward and you get embedded and do damage from within.

    Now it is the time to finish them off.

    Very much so... do not think they wont rebuild and try it again in 5 or ten years time if Russia gives them the chance...

    Was allowing Istanbul to succeed so terminal to NATzO's ambitions when their original plan failed? They would have gotten a long
    term foothold in most of Ukraine and no pieces of paper would have prevented this.

    The Istanbul agreement was before the referendums so Kiev would have gotten back overall control of the four regions they are now going to lose completely. Those regions would have had autonomy, but would still be part of the Ukraine.

    Now, who knows what they will end up with... and the longer it goes on the less it will be.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:02 am

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    I am not so sure... the west is full of itself and their opinion of Russia is clouded by their own propaganda and myth.

    Do not confuse idiocies they are producing and using against their own population with the things they know.
    Just as an example, there is a serial briefing of the Bundeswehr, where they describe in detail news from the frontline. You can find it on YT, still, it is in German and no subtitles are provided. It is one of the most competent sources, with all the data carefully checked and explained in detail by an active-duty German officer. Without any bias and agenda, solely information.
    You can find any sort of competent information provided by the western sources, only need to dig deeper rather than turning on TV.

    Isolating Russia and defeating them on the battlefield all failed, but they didn't expect that and many don't seem to understand what happened... of course it is all China and Iran and North Koreas fault somehow.

    This war is being carried by the Anglosaxons against European Union, and lasts for 3 decades at least.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:12 am

    I agree with ALAMO's analysis for the first part, the idea was not the military defeat of Russia, not even they are so stupid, but the international isolation, coupled with economic shocks and social unrest should have set the conditions to regime-change Russia. It was a good plan actually, for which Russia needed almost 10 years to prepare and adapt, but the West showed they are not that smart and were unable to change course, even when the boundary conditions had changed by end of 2021, namely, import substitution on the military sphere and reorientation to the East on the economic one, which made Russia largely immune to the attack and should have made the plan be stopped in its tracks. It was not, and we see the result now. For the part in which it is claimed that Putin took the bait, I guess even being lead by an intelligence specialist that has fooled the West for more than 20 years, it is still difficult to believe that Russia knew what they were doing when they started the war in the way the West expected, only to turn 180 degrees in calculated attrition war by which they mow the human resource of ukraine down for good, solving the issue in the long term, and once they had proved conclusively to the world that it was the West that wanted at all costs to burn 404 in a war with Russia. Ultimately, if you want to fool your enemy, you are going to need to fool most of your friends too, or you will not be credible. But what matters are the facts and long lasting effects, not appearances, and in that regard Russia's approach has been extremely effective and has left the West in the dust, plain and simple.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:48 am

    "The West" deluded themselves in a meaning, that Europeans haven't figured out that the plan's core was to kill them as a global competitor.
    There is no "West", only US-based deep state that has only one agenda - absolute global dominance.
    A whole game is set to put all the global population in economic chains and harvest them for generations to come.
    This plan has been in the active operation phase for the last 3 decades, if not longer.
    It took so long to train vassal politicians to replace the old wolves shaped in the Cold War. All the NGOs were operating on that all around Europe. I was participating in such brainwashing "training programs" in the mid 90s already. The funny thing is, that I still remember some of those faces.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:52 am

    There is no "West", only US-based deep state that has only one agenda - absolute global dominance. wrote:

    They failed. They may have neutralized Europe, but in the meantime, powerful China and Russia have emerged. They no longer have a chance to neutralize them in any way. The US is moving towards total collapse from its plans for global domination.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 08, 2025 11:59 am

    Reptilians live long enough to plan in advance Wink

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