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    Post  GarryB Wed May 04, 2022 7:24 am

    you don't have to be Einstein to see that Kazakhstan is the next Ukraine

    They were likely monitoring the emergency calls from the ship regarding the fire.

    They also claimed they hit the ship with two missiles and it immediately rolled over and sunk, but we can see in the photo that it was under tow and was afloat...
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    Post  andalusia Fri May 06, 2022 10:06 am

    Have you guys heard about US officials admitting US intelligence involvement in sinking of Slava Class cruiser?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-intel-helped-ukraine-sink-213149015.html
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    Post  walle83 Fri May 06, 2022 1:11 pm

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61343044

    Moskva sinking: US gave intelligence that helped Ukraine sink Russian cruiser

    The US said it was the Moskva and helped confirm its location. Ukraine then struck it with two missiles.

    The Pentagon has not commented. But a spokesman said the US gave intelligence to help Ukraine defend itself.
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    Post  GarryB Sat May 07, 2022 7:26 am

    Must have had a backlash over that because they are now saying they had nothing to do with it...

    https://www.rt.com/news/555062-moskva-us-intelligence-ukraine/

    The US didn’t provide Ukraine with intelligence that allegedly allowed it to strike Russia’s Black Sea flagship Moskva off the coast of Odessa last month, Pentagon press-secretary John Kirby has said, in a statement to media.

    He was reacting to a report by the NBC on Thursday, claiming that American officials had helped Kiev's forces to target the vessel.

    “The Ukrainians have their own intelligence capabilities to track and target Russian naval vessels, as they did in this case,” Kirby said.

    Russia insists that its missile cruiser wasn’t attacked, but sank on April 14 after a fire that had broken out on board caused the detonation of ammunition. One sailor was confirmed killed and 27 others are missing as a result of the incident, while 396 other crew members were safely evacuated.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat May 07, 2022 8:48 am

    Oh, ho-ho-ho, no backsies you HNrrep. From now on NATO ships get to enjoy the privilege of being painted on by Russian targeting systems.

    It will be fucking hilarious if the first sinking of a carrier is by a Houthi Silkworm hahaha.

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    Post  limb Sat May 21, 2022 12:07 am

    I just want to say that the fact that the volna targeting radar was in neutral position and the osa launchers weren't extended lends credence to the leaked info that the Moskva's air defense systems(other than the search radar) were not operable, and that it was hit by ASHMs because of this.


    Or it still could've been a mine.

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    Post  GarryB Sat May 21, 2022 10:47 am

    Except even from the limited view available the damage is clearly fire damage only... there was no explosion obvious let alone two as the Orcs claim.

    Right now the only claims of anti ship missile hits are coming from the Orcs and their track record is very strong for being opportunist liars.

    They lost at least three Hip helicopters loaded with troops and a Hind and three landing boats of soldiers to try to take an island of little significance just to try to embarrass Putin on the May parade... if we assume 20 soldiers per Hip and three landing boats that is likely the better part of 120 marines killed for a gesture... a useless empty gesture.

    But gold for Twitter and western media of course and at the cost of their own men which are clearly worth more to Russia than to Zelensky or the UK and US puppetiers pulling his strings.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:01 pm

    Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
    (Minoborony Rossii)
    01.11.2022 (15:00)

    A detachment of ships of the Pacific Fleet, led by the flagship missile cruiser Varyag, entered the area of ​​responsibility of the Pacific Fleet south of Sri Lanka

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    A detachment of ships of the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) as part of the flagship of the fleet of the Guards Order of Nakhimov, the missile cruiser Varyag, the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Tributs and the large sea tanker Boris Butoma, entered the Pacific Fleet responsibility area south of Sri Lanka.

    A detachment of ships makes an inter-fleet transition from the Mediterranean Sea to a permanent deployment point in Vladivostok after completing tasks in the far sea zone.

    In the area of ​​the island of Sri Lanka, the Pacific Fleet took over the operational control of a detachment of ships on the transition from the Black Sea Fleet, whose zone of responsibility they successfully overcame. Currently, a detachment of ships is crossing the Indian Ocean.

    The ships of the Pacific Fleet left their home base for a long voyage in December 2021.



    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12443792@egNews#txt

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    Post  limb Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:58 pm

    Do the varyag and marshall ustinov have all their radars functioning?
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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:01 pm

    limb wrote:Do the varyag and marshall ustinov have all their radars functioning?

    Varyag has a new improved search radar which is the best in service in russian navy for now.

    Rest of its radars are the old ones.

    Ustinov is at the same level as Moskva. Pretty old.

    They will have to upgrade or replace those ships quickly.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:07 pm

    Isos wrote:
    limb wrote:Do the varyag and marshall ustinov have all their radars functioning?

    Varyag has a new improved search radar which is the best in service in russian navy for now.

    Rest of its radar are the old ones.

    Ustinov is at the same level as Moskva. Pretty old.

    They will have to upgrade or replace those ships quickly.


    You never had anything to do with yourself, and especially with what you write, because Ustinov was the only one who underwent a thorough modernization.

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:09 pm

    I switch the name by mistake. Doesn't change anything. Only one got just new search radars.

    Rest wasn't modernized.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:21 pm

    Isos wrote:I switch the name by mistake. Doesn't change anything. Only one got just new search radars.

    Rest wasn't modernized.

    Wrong, again..
    MR-710 Fregat on Varyag, Moscow didn't have it.

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:40 pm

    Not the same as Moskva but it isn't an upgrade. It has it since its construction.

    The only one that got an upgrade was Ustinov and it only got that new radar. Missiles system are the old ones.

    If they upgraded them with new S-300 PM2 and UKSK angled launchers, they would be wonderful ships.

    Now they are totally outdate as shown in Ukraine.
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    Post  limb Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:16 pm

    Isos wrote:Not the same as Moskva but it isn't an upgrade. It has it since its construction.

    The only one that got an upgrade was Ustinov and it only got that new radar. Missiles system are the old ones.

    If they upgraded them with new S-300 PM2 and UKSK angled launchers, they would be wonderful ships.

    Now they are totally outdate as shown in Ukraine.
    Problem is that moskva had broken CIWS and radars. Their tech level wasn't the problem
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:30 pm

    Isos wrote:Not the same as Moskva but it isn't an upgrade. It has it since its construction.

    The only one that got an upgrade was Ustinov and it only got that new radar. Missiles system are the old ones.

    If they upgraded them with new S-300 PM2 and UKSK angled launchers, they would be wonderful ships.

    Now they are totally outdate as shown in Ukraine.


    Isos, it's not that the ships are completely "obsolete", but you are obscenely limited as a terrace and malicious - you're just pushing your idiotic story like your Rafale planes.
    Bring that French aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle" to the Black Sea and let's see how it goes or against Varyag and Ustinov in open sea. There is no possibility of installing UKSK launchers on those cruisers, do you understand ? The ship is primarily designed as a cruiser designed to strike other surface ships, not ground targets. The P-1000 Vulcan anti-ship missiles are certainly not obsolete and I would like to see how the ships of the French Navy would defend against those missiles. If a ship can't strike targets on the ground with cruise missiles, that certainly doesn't mean it's obsolete. The Black Sea is a "swamp" and is not the same as the Mediterranean Sea, and especially not comparable to open oceans. Any ship in a closed sea, as the Black Sea is, would be in considerable danger.
    It is Russia's mistake that such a ship was used for tasks for which it was not designed, because it is a cruiser for the open seas..

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:38 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Isos, it's not that the ships are completely "obsolete", but you are obscenely limited as a terrace and malicious - you're just pushing your idiotic story like your Rafale planes.
    Bring that French aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle" to the Black Sea and let's see how it goes or against Varyag and Ustinov in open sea. There is no possibility of installing UKSK launchers on those cruisers, do you understand ? The ship is primarily designed as a cruiser designed to strike other surface ships, not ground targets. The P-1000 Vulcan anti-ship missiles are certainly not obsolete and I would like to see how the ships of the French Navy would defend against those missiles. If a ship can't strike targets on the ground with cruise missiles, that certainly doesn't mean it's obsolete. The Black Sea is a "swamp" and is not the same as the Mediterranean Sea, and especially not comparable to open oceans. Any ship in a closed sea, as the Black Sea is, would be in considerable danger.
    It is Russia's mistake that such a ship was used for tasks for which it was not designed, because it is a cruiser for the open seas..

    A single salvo of any given 1164 would break the neck of the mighty French navy.
    40 yers after it was designed to do the same with a much more serious opponent.
    I still don't get your common struggle to bring a Froggie with an obvious inferiority syndrome to common sense.
    Still, I approve that in a Christian sense, maybe he will recover Laughing
    First of all, we don't know what caused the Moskva sinking, and that can be multiple causes.
    I don't buy the story how Ukrs hit it, while they forgot to share that juicy piece of propaganda material when they masquerade their own losses as the Russkie ones dunno scratch
    They have been recorded a destructing their own pieces to claim it Russkie ...

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:58 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Isos, it's not that the ships are completely "obsolete", but you are obscenely limited as a terrace and malicious - you're just pushing your idiotic story like your Rafale planes.
    Bring that French aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle" to the Black Sea and let's see how it goes or against Varyag and Ustinov in open sea. There is no possibility of installing UKSK launchers on those cruisers, do you understand ? The ship is primarily designed as a cruiser designed to strike other surface ships, not ground targets. The P-1000 Vulcan anti-ship missiles are certainly not obsolete and I would like to see how the ships of the French Navy would defend against those missiles. If a ship can't strike targets on the ground with cruise missiles, that certainly doesn't mean it's obsolete. The Black Sea is a "swamp" and is not the same as the Mediterranean Sea, and especially not comparable to open oceans. Any ship in a closed sea, as the Black Sea is, would be in considerable danger.
    It is Russia's mistake that such a ship was used for tasks for which it was not designed, because it is a cruiser for the open seas..

    A single salvo of any given 1164 would break the neck of the mighty French navy.
    40 yers after it was designed to do the same with a much more serious opponent.
    I still don't get your common struggle to bring a Froggie with an obvious inferiority syndrome to common sense.
    Still, I approve that in a Christian sense, maybe he will recover  Laughing
    First of all, we don't know what caused the Moskva sinking, and that can be multiple causes.
    I don't buy the story how Ukrs hit it, while they forgot to share that juicy piece of propaganda material when they masquerade their own losses as the Russkie ones dunno scratch
    They have been recorded a destructing their own pieces to claim it Russkie ...

    I try and I tried to understand him, but it's not worth it - man is as limited as a terrace.
    The fact is that Moscow had a place either in the Northern or in the Pacific Fleet and not in the coastal area near Ukroshitstan. This is also the reason why NO large anti-submarine ships of project 1155 were assigned to the Black Sea (also none of the project 956 Sarych destroyer was part of the fleet of the Black Sea Fleet) and the Baltic Fleet or why nuclear submarines are not in those two fleets.
    Either way, Moscow is not just a warning to the Russians, whatever the reason for the loss of that ship, it's a red alert for all surface warships.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:06 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    I try and I tried to understand him, but it's not worth it - man is as limited as a terrace.

    He is not limited but broken.
    Mentally.
    As any French.
    It is a sad thing to watch.
    They have been defeated so many times in the latest history that it jumps out of a box.
    Sometimes defeated by the inferior - objectively - opponents.
    And in most cases, defeated by the people they considered inferior because of their superiority syndrome.
    Right now, his country is being defeated by the hordes of invaders who give a shit about - again objectively - a giant heritage his nation brought to Europe or the world in a wider spectrum.
    Paris looks like a bloody junkyard and a slum.
    Hard-working people are being deprived of the fruits of hard labor.
    They run in a bloody state of emergency being a soft type of martial law for the last 7!!! years.
    People are being killed on the streets for their opinions.
    How they can find themselves in such an environment?
    It is objectively painful.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:10 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    I try and I tried to understand him, but it's not worth it - man is as limited as a terrace.

    He is not limited but broken.
    Mentally.
    As any French.
    It is a sad thing to watch.
    They have been defeated so many times in the latest history that it jumps out of a box.
    Sometimes defeated by the inferior - objectively - opponents.
    And in most cases, defeated by the people they considered inferior because of their superiority syndrome.
    Right now, his country is being defeated by the hordes of invaders who give a shit about - again objectively - a giant heritage his nation brought to Europe or the world in a wider spectrum.
    Paris looks like a bloody junkyard and a slum.
    Hard-working people are being deprived of the fruits of hard labor.
    They run in a bloody state of emergency being a soft type of martial law for the last 7!!! years.
    People are being killed on the streets for their opinions.
    How they can find themselves in such an environment?
    It is objectively painful.


    Alamo, at least I tried to be nice with my comment, but you hit worse than Tu-160... Sorry, Rafale... bounce

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:13 pm

    A war is not a time for a cheat&chat bro Laughing

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:23 pm

    P1000 as well as p700 and p500 are good but I would bet on aster family.

    They didn't develop Oniks and Zirkon because they wanted more beautiful missiles.

    Also good luck finding a target 1000km away with a lonely Slava. To use them at those ranges you need aircraft in the air. In the open ocean with no back up from mainland aviation those Slava and P1000 are weaker than US carrier battle groums with f-18 and harpoons.

    And if the story about Ukrainian anti ship missiles destroying the Moskva is real then this ship didn't do what it was suppise to do, defend against slow low flying missiles and here it was war time. And US strike groups with dozens of f-18 can launch way more missiles at once than Ukrops.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:24 pm

    ALAMO wrote:A war is not a time for a cheat&chat bro Laughing

    This conflict only showed that all ruling elites in the EU do not have their own voice and do not think in the interests of their country, but listen to orders from Brussels, which listens to dictates from Washington. Old Europe has been turned into a McDonald's-Coca Cola colony. But that's no wonder, the colonialists did drink their former "medicine" and now they are colonized.
    You mentioned Christianity in one message, and I'm afraid that not even the initial letter C is left of it. I can see it in the younger population in my country, and again, no matter how bad it is in my country, I know that the EU is far, far worse in this regard. I wonder how much in most EU countries they know their country's history...

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:25 pm

    ALAMO wrote:A war is not a time for a cheat&chat bro Laughing

    Moskva is at the bottom of the sea. US destroyers were attacked by Houti missiles, same class as ukro missiles, and they survived.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they loose at least one Grigorovitch till the end of the war.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:28 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    This conflict only showed that all ruling elites in the EU do not have their own voice and do not think in the interests of their country, but listen to orders from Brussels, which listens to dictates from Washington. Old Europe has been turned into a McDonald's-Coca Cola colony. But that's no wonder, the colonialists did drink their former "medicine" and now they are colonized.
    You mentioned Christianity in one message, and I'm afraid that not even the initial letter C is left of it. I can see it in the younger population in my country, and again, no matter how bad it is in my country, I know that the EU is far, far worse in this regard. I wonder how much in most EU countries they know their country's history...

    The only thing I really count on, is that we see a 60s again, and more and more countries will really dump the chains they still have.
    Africa seems to really awakening.

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