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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:35 am

    That's completely false.

    Most likely enemy for anyone is US and their carriers.

    Most of navies have only corvettes or light frigates.

    Having hypersonic missiles that can destroy carriers is a must for anyone. Russia offers long rabge OTH radars and airborne radars that can help such corvette attack enemy carrier groups safely.

    Unless if you think you only enemies are speed boats with drug cartel onboard you better buy a Steregoushchy with UKSK.

    What an interesting mindset you have...

    If you are setting the US Navy as every ones benchmark then most countries simply can't have viable navies because they will never measure up... they don't have the weapons and sensors and equipment to even try.


    If most navies only have corvettes and light frigates then they are doubly fucked because no matter how many carrier killer missiles they can carry the US could just send a dozen SSNs and sink them in port along with the rest of their navy and commerce fleet.

    I would agree most would want hypersonic anti ship missiles... especially the US Navy, but for instance the New Zealand Navy has managed to perform a useful service for New Zealand without ever firing an anti ship missile in anger AFAIK.

    The purpose of navies is not to fight the US Navy, but to deter interference and regulate the waterways around your country. For most of the time a Zircon missile would be dead weight... in fact 91RE1s would be more useful.

    Russia is the only country in the world with the over the horizon radar and satellite network and other assets and systems to employ an effective land defence capacity that makes naval attack a futile choice for any navy on the planet... even the most powerful ones grouped together.

    This is great for Russia, but not really a good way to plan and design corvettes for yourself or others in the future.
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    Post  walle83 Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:50 pm

    Chinas carrier based early warning aircraft KJ-600 continues flight tests. First official news about the airplane on CCTV should mean that the program is going well.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1216172.shtml

    "China's first domestically developed fixed-wing early warning aircraft capable of taking off and landing on aircraft carriers recently conducted another successful flight test, state media revealed for the first time on Sunday, and Chinese military experts said they expect the plane to operate on large aircraft carriers equipped with catapults."

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    Post  AzMann Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:23 pm

    walle83 wrote:Chinas carrier based early warning aircraft KJ-600 continues flight tests. First official news about the airplane on CCTV should mean that the program is going well.

    "China's first domestically developed fixed-wing early warning aircraft capable of taking off and landing on aircraft carriers recently conducted another successful flight test, state media revealed for the first time on Sunday, and Chinese military experts said they expect the plane to operate on large aircraft carriers equipped with catapults."

    KJ-600 is equipped with state of the art AESA making it on par with the latest E-2D Advanced Hawkeye.
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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:29 pm

    Welcome back troll !!

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:37 pm

    I don't think the mods are aware there is such a thing as an IP ban. Should have done it.
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    Post  walle83 Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:50 pm

    Isos wrote:Welcome back troll !!

    Scuse me?
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:32 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Welcome back troll !!

    Scuse me?

    You aren't too bright, are you?

    This is a new account created after Chinese Ultron was banned. He created a new account to troll again. You see, our mods didn't do an IP ban thus it's easy for him to keep creating accounts
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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:37 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Welcome back troll !!

    Scuse me?

    Not you, the other one.

    This is a new account created after Chinese Ultron was banned. He created a new account to troll again. You see, our mods didn't do an IP ban thus it's easy for him to keep creating accounts

    Quite useless. You just need to turn off and on your internet modem and you will get a new IP. Or just use 4g instead of wifi or vice-versa.

    I used to do that to bypass the 72 minutes limite on megavideo streaming.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:40 pm

    Isos wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Welcome back troll !!

    Scuse me?

    Not you, the other one.

    This is a new account created after Chinese Ultron was banned. He created a new account to troll again. You see, our mods didn't do an IP ban thus it's easy for him to keep creating accounts

    Quite useless. You just need to turn off and on your internet modem and you will get a new IP. Or just use 4g instead of wifi or vice-versa.

    I used to do that to bypass the 72 minutes limite on megavideo streaming.

    Your PC IP changes based upon the subnet but your external IP given by the provider, specifically the routers outgoing IP, can be banned.  I run various sites and do this quite regularly.  But all depends on the service provider.  I understand that their router may carry a wide array of IP's to choose from. But not all offer this.

    As a note, I had to do a wide IP ban of various IP's associated in a specific range as I found the re-occuring culprits IPs were very similar. But this was rare case in my experience. Ultron could very well have dynamic IP by the ISP rather than them providing a static to the router.

    Bypassing this is through VPN or using as you said, mobile and connecting to other locations.  But I doubt Ultron will look at hanging out at Wendy's over McDonalds to troll here.


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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:44 pm

    I used to just start the router again and it gave new public IP.

    It's his 4th acvount. I guess he fell in love with the forum and probably would do anything to come back. You know, power of love...
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    Post  walle83 Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:46 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    walle83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Welcome back troll !!

    Scuse me?

    You aren't too bright, are you?

    This is a new account created after Chinese Ultron was banned.  He created a new account to troll again.  You see, our mods didn't do an IP ban thus it's easy for him to keep creating accounts

    How the heck would i know that. Try quoting the person u are replaying, that usualy help.
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    Post  Isos Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:47 pm

    If you don't quote then you answer to the last post. That's quite obvious.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:53 pm

    Isos wrote:I used to just start the router again and it gave new public IP.

    It's his 4th acvount. I guess he fell in love with the forum and probably would do anything to come back. You know, power of love...

    You more than likely have a dynamic IP from the service provider but usually the IP's are very similar excluding last blocks.

    So X.Y.Z.1 to X.Y.Z.255 can be banned since X.Y.Z are same.

    Yeah, he likes this site cause he is a douchebag and likes to ruin things.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:20 am

    I prefer a little evidence before I ban... I am not the UK May or Johnson government, or the EU.

    Also to be effective IP bans can cover a rather large area of territory and is not the surgical tool you make it out to be.

    @AzMann, it is a forum rule that you post an introduction in the members and introductions section.

    Please also take the time to read the forum rules.
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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:34 am

    AzMann wrote:
    walle83 wrote:Chinas carrier based early warning aircraft KJ-600 continues flight tests. First official news about the airplane on CCTV should mean that the program is going well.

    "China's first domestically developed fixed-wing early warning aircraft capable of taking off and landing on aircraft carriers recently conducted another successful flight test, state media revealed for the first time on Sunday, and Chinese military experts said they expect the plane to operate on large aircraft carriers equipped with catapults."

    KJ-600 is equipped with state of the art AESA making it on par with the latest E-2D Advanced Hawkeye.

    lets see how many emails you will waste. This also gone..
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:49 am


    FC-31 - the future of China's carrier-based aviation?


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:59 am

    Chinese military practiced amphibious assault landing on disputed islands
    12:05 03/04/2021 Source: Interfax

    The People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) conducted a landing exercise in the South China Sea on the Beijing-controlled Xisha Islands (the English name is Paracel Islands), which are also disputed by Vietnam and Taiwan, the South China Morning Post reported on Thursday. ...
    The exercises involved the Chinese Navy, Air Force and Army, as well as the Chinese marines. The Chinese military practiced the scenario with the landing of troops from ships and helicopters, overcoming the strong resistance of the conditional enemy, and then with the destruction of enemy bunkers.
    The exercise involved a multipurpose landing ship of the Qinchenshan type (project 071), from which the 726 air cushion landing ships were launched, they in turn delivered the Type 96 main battle tank, the main battle tank in service with the PLA, as well marines.
    From the sea, the troops were supported by the Project 052D destroyer and the 054A frigate, from the air - by the Su-30MKK fighter and the H-6K bomber.
    The ships also practiced air defense techniques, intercepting missiles, and taking off and landing helicopters at night.
    However, the Chinese military, who circulated videos of the exercises, did not say exactly when the exercise took place. The South China Morning Post recalls that the PLA began a month-long exercise in the South China Sea on Monday, amid increased US intelligence in the region.
    https://www.ng.ru/news/703824.html?print=Y

    I guess they r practicing taking Taiwanese held islands.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:12 am

    I guess they r practicing taking Taiwanese held islands.

    Would also be useful experience in retaking islands that some other power might try to take from China too.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:44 pm

    Nice pics & stats: China has built the world's largest navy. Now what's Beijing going to do with it?
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    Post  walle83 Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:10 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Nice pics & stats: China has built the world's largest navy. Now what's Beijing going to do with it?

    Well 10 aircraft carriers beats 75 corvetts still. But they have come a long way since the early 90s.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:33 pm

    China will have 5-6 CV/Ns by 2040, if not earlier; the US can't deploy more than 2-3 CVNs to the W. Pac. at any given time, & they'll be kept out of range by the PLAAF bombers & AshBMs.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am

    It is not totally about numbers... how safe are those CVNs from Seawolf subs for instance... but the bigger question is what they plan to use them for?

    If they want to send a carrier with some cruisers and destroyers and sail around the world... one in each direction... then that makes sense and would expand Chinese influence, but if they want to group them all up and go charging at the US Navy then I think they are wasting their time...
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:22 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:China will have 5-6 CV/Ns by 2040, if not earlier; the US can't deploy more than 2-3 CVNs to the W. Pac. at any given time, & they'll be kept out of range by the PLAAF bombers & AshBMs.

    Couple of Virginia subs would turn those modified cargo boats they use for escorts to coral reefs within 10 minutes

    F-18s would have handled the rest 10 minutes after that


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    Post  Isos Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:China will have 5-6 CV/Ns by 2040, if not earlier; the US can't deploy more than 2-3 CVNs to the W. Pac. at any given time, & they'll be kept out of range by the PLAAF bombers & AshBMs.

    Couple of Virginia subs would turn those modified cargo boats they use for escorts to coral reefs within 10 minutes

    F-18s would have handled the rest 10 minutes after that



    Either your missiles that are on the islands and on ships/bombers work during the first big attack either they will never work.

    They won't have time to send cargo ships. Neither will US navy have time to send reinforcement to protect its assests.

    It's not WW2 anymore when battle lasted for months. Now with radars and long range aviation and other satellites, you find the targets in matter of hours and the attack last half a day.

    First to attack is very likely the one who wins.

    Subs are very good but if you loose islands and ships the game is over.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:14 am

    Couple of Virginia subs would turn those modified cargo boats they use for escorts to coral reefs within 10 minutes
    those r auxiliaries; they'll use these as escorts: China commissions its second Type 055 guided missile destroyer as the PLA Navy continues its rapid growth

    F-18s would have handled the rest 10 minutes after that
    they'll need tankers to get in range to launch their AshMs; the J-20s will take car of them &/ the PLA BMs will destroy their bases.


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