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    Post  Resistance on Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:41 am

    Vann7 wrote:IRAN aid to Syria have been very limited. i will say no more than 5,000 mercenaries and majority of them not even iranians. Syria but also Russia lacks heavily from attack drones in the conflict ,something that could have done a major difference in the battle field. Attack drones with lazer missiles (similar to hellfire) , will have allowed to hit terrorist right above their heads whenever they group together inside a building.  Russia airforce cannot achieve that level of precision without using much too expensive means ,with too expensive missiles.

    When you go to war , Economy and cost of your weapons is something that cannot be underestimated. it plays a major role. This is why Russia use 99% of the times mostly unguided cheap bombs whenever it bombs terrorist.

    So basically what im saying is that the support Syria receive from Russia and IRAN is limited.
    for economic reasons and political too. ie.. cease of fire with Americans. etc.


    If Russia had developed very cheap ,cost efficient attack drones ,that can fire very cheap guided
    missiles ,that Russia will not mind to be studied by NATO either ,it could significantly help to halt the offensives of the terrorist.  Why?

    - Because drones are more silent. and terrorist are always warned whenever Russia is taking off
    from Latakia by NATO. So terrorist warned before hand by NATO radars in Turkey ,whenever
    Russia airforce is withing minutes to bomb them, so they seek cover and disperse.

    -Drones can be more cost effective than using planes.

    - no human loses ,if drone shut down.

    For example drones can be very useful in times , terrorist start a major offensive. Terrorist
    always start very spread// but when they are inside Syrian army positions ,they end grouped again.  you see a lot those videos of terrorist in the hundreds grouped together taking selfies ,
    hidding in a building. thats the best time for use those attack drones. Russia airforce using
    unguided bombs flying too high is not the most ideal way to deal with the terrorist offensives.

    So a cheap to produce ,lazer guided attack drone that can deal a direct hit ,right on the place terrorist grouped could be the most ideal thing. Such drone does not need to be stealth ,since will only bomb Alqaeda and ISIS. I dont think Russia have low cost attack drones ,that can fight at visual distance of target ,exclusively made to deal with guerrilla in urban warfare like in Syria.


    Why not use Kalibrs to attack terrorists? Kalibrs fly about 100 meters off the ground. Too low for distant NATO radars to detect to warn terrorists. Kalibrs are very accurate. A few Kalibrs would knock out terrorists in southwestern Aleppo.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:43 am



    Why not use Kalibrs to attack terrorists? Kalibrs fly about 100 meters off the ground. Too low for distant NATO radars to detect to warn terrorists. Kalibrs are very accurate. A few Kalibrs would knock out terrorists in southwestern Aleppo.


    Why not use kalibrs?

    For the same reason , Russia do not have as many aircraft carriers as Americans.
    and as many ballistic submarines as them. Because it cost a lot of money $$$.

    and because it will be overkill , imagine Russia using a 5 million dollar missile Iskander ,
    to kill a seminaked terrorist starving on foot with an ak-47 ,located in a mountain. Something they could do with a cheap sniper bullet of $1 dollar. and save $5 million. Iskanders like Kalibrs, are designed to evade NATO aegis defenses. and their numbers in Russia inventory is limited. in the case of Iskanders Russia have just hundred or bit more . So the last thing Russia will do is waste their best weapons in semi naked suicide bombers in Syria and later need to deal with a NATO war ,with their inventory almost empty. simply your best weapons are used against your more powerful enemies and Alqaeda or ISIS is not Russia more dangerous enemies. not even Turkey is. but US.

    aside that using too much kalibrs pose the Risk of allowing NATO to spy and monitor and
    even capture technology from the missiles to analize it . the few ones Russia used before in Syria were probably to send a warning to NATO of what could happen if they invade Syria but
    also to test the missiles in a real war and supervise its performance.

    Attack Drones ,with very cheap technology and very cheap bombs is the most ideal way to counter terrorist , so they will not be aware of when Russian drones will be above them until is too late.




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    Post  The Ottoman on Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:56 am

    Iran, Russia, Turkey should cooperate to bring peace to region

    ANKARA, Aug. 13 (MNA) – Foreign Minister Zarif underlined the need for further trilateral cooperation between Iran, Turkey and Russia in fighting terrorism in the region. Speaking during the press conference with his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu, Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said the Islamic Republic was "delighted" to see Turkey starting new cooperation with Russia.

    "We are also ready to cooperate and help. These three countries [Russia, Iran and Turkey] should work together to bring peace and prosperity to the region," Zarif said.

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    Zarif also said Iran and Turkey should increase cooperation on tourism.

    "We are ready to facilitate the connections of electricity, natural gas and energy lines to Turkey and Europe," Zarif said. "We are ready to do business with Turkey in that field."


    Zarif also mentioned the foiled coup attempt and hailed the Turkish people for being "a reason for the region's people to feel proud".

    "I would like to congratulate the Turkish people for the resistance they put up against the putschists," Zarif said. "They showed the other people in the region that they would not let their democracy and their rights to be taken away from them."

    Zarif said ties between Iran and Turkey are "strong and permanent", adding that past relations provide lots of business opportunities for the two sides.

    Highlighting the Syria issue, Zarif said Iran "has always had positive dialogues with Turkey on the Syria subject".

    "We also have great ties with Russia on the issue and we believe that all parties must cooperate to provide security, peace and stop conflicts," Zarif said.

    Cavusoglu also said that Turkey and Iran are "on the same page" about Syria's territorial integrity adding that dialogue between the countries never stopped.

    "We stress the importance of Iran's constructive role in providing a permanent solution in Syria from the beginning," Cavusoglu said. "We say the same thing today."

    Cavusoglu also mentioned that Turkey did not see "any difference between the PKK, PYD and PJAK", adding that these terrorist groups are a security threat to Iran and Turkey.


    "We need to fight against those together," Cavusoglu said. "We will strengthen our cooperation level to provide peace and a permanent solution in Syria."


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    Post  Resistance on Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:08 pm

    Vann7 wrote:


    Why not use Kalibrs to attack terrorists? Kalibrs fly about 100 meters off the ground. Too low for distant NATO radars to detect to warn terrorists. Kalibrs are very accurate. A few Kalibrs would knock out terrorists in southwestern Aleppo.


    Why not use kalibrs?

    For the same reason , Russia do not have as many aircraft carriers as Americans.
    and as many ballistic submarines as them. Because it cost a lot of money  $$$.

    and because it will be overkill , imagine Russia using a 5 million dollar missile Iskander ,
    to kill a seminaked terrorist starving on foot with an ak-47 ,located in a mountain. Something they could do with a cheap sniper bullet of $1 dollar. and save $5 million. Iskanders like Kalibrs, are designed to evade NATO aegis defenses. and their numbers in Russia inventory is limited. in the case of Iskanders Russia have just hundred or bit more . So the last thing Russia will do is waste their best weapons in semi naked suicide bombers in Syria and later need to deal with a NATO war ,with their inventory almost empty. simply your best weapons are used against your more powerful enemies and Alqaeda or ISIS is not Russia more dangerous enemies. not even Turkey is. but US.

    aside that using too much kalibrs pose the Risk of allowing NATO to spy and monitor and
    even capture technology from the missiles to analize it . the few ones Russia used before in Syria were probably to send a warning to NATO of what could happen if they invade Syria but
    also to test the missiles in a real war and supervise its performance.

    Attack Drones ,with very cheap technology and very cheap bombs is the most ideal way to counter terrorist , so they will not be aware of when Russian drones will be above them until is too late.





    IMO Smerch is more useful in counter insurgency. Range 90 km. 300 mm caliber. It's basically an unguided cruise missile.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:52 am

    Real cooperation between Iran, Turkey and Russia, with Turkey sealing its border and cooperating with Iran and Russia...

    The future would be very bright for Turkey... Russian gas pumped to Turkey for distribution to Europe and gas pumped from Iran to Turkey to also go to Europe through a peaceful Syria...

    Then it would be Turkey dictating terms to the EU and not the other way around.... Hahahaha.

    BTW Smerch is no substitute for a cruise missile attack.

    A Tu-22M3M with FAB-100 modified for satellite guidance would be ideal for hitting dozens of point targets in a single flight... it could carry hundreds in one aircraft.

    It would be a useful capability to develop... having all your recon assets... whether troops on the ground, helos in the air or drones or recon aircraft or indeed satellites finding targets and sending coordinates to bombers as they fly overhead in real time to hit the targets rapidly and accurately...
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    Post  calm on Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:37 pm

    New map, quiet accurate. Laughing

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    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:50 pm

    calm wrote:New map, quiet accurate.  Laughing

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    HAHAHA!!! lol!
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:36 am

    [quote="VladimirSahin"]
    calm wrote:New map, quiet accurate.  Laughing


    HAHAHA!!! lol!
    Brillant. Just read the titles. Done by someone with a good sense of humour!
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:52 am

    I'm thinking about posting this map to the local news channels, to pair up with their BS reports
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:18 pm

    From Russia insider youtubechannel

    EXCLUSIVE: Russian TV war update from Aleppo, Syria






    august 14th.. aleppo south



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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:13 pm

    Chinese military to provide ‘aid and training assistance’ to Syrian government

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-provide-aid-training-assistance-syrian-government/

    But what actually will the full package be???? in addition to training and aid, i would imagine ammunition might also be provided, maybe this is just the start of things to come, here hoping that more comes their way.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:33 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Chinese military to provide ‘aid and training assistance’ to Syrian government

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-provide-aid-training-assistance-syrian-government/

    But what actually will the full package be???? in addition to training and aid, i would imagine ammunition might also be provided, maybe this is just the start of things to come, here hoping that more comes their way.

    If they have half the brain they will use this opportunity to get some mileage on that show army of theirs, not because they would be essential in the war or because they would want to fight for the cause but because their military has zero experience with actual warfare.

    Last time Chinese fought shooting war was like before I was born against Vietnam. And they got spanked gloriously.

    I am not saying they suck as a rule or anything, I mean Charlies are top grade asskickers, but that was just disastrous.

    They could use some light air war to dip their toes. They have men, guns and money but so does Saudi Arabia and look at them.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:12 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Chinese military to provide ‘aid and training assistance’ to Syrian government

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-provide-aid-training-assistance-syrian-government/

    But what actually will the full package be???? in addition to training and aid, i would imagine ammunition might also be provided, maybe this is just the start of things to come, here hoping that more comes their way.

    If they have half the brain they will use this opportunity to get some mileage on that show army of theirs, not because they would be essential in the war or because they would want to fight for the cause but because their military has zero experience with actual warfare.

    Last time Chinese fought shooting war was like before I was born against Vietnam. And they got spanked gloriously.

    I am not saying they suck as a rule or anything, I mean Charlies are top grade asskickers, but that was just disastrous.

    They could use some light air war to dip their toes. They have men, guns and money but so does Saudi Arabia and look at them.

    The last time a Chinese unit was in a shooting party was three weeks ago in South Soudan. It went awry with 3 dead guys and about 12 wounded. They retaliated pretty heavily with at least a dozen "civilians" obliterated and twice that amount of dead MauMau idiots dead.

    The Chinese need that experience indeed.

    Now when it comes to Syria, all we want is their ATGM's and drones for testing.
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    Post  calm on Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:45 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Now when it comes to Syria, all we want is their ATGM's and drones for testing.

    20-30 drones, and little help with Aleppo humanitarian situation would be good, nothing more.
    But it would be nice to see some planes too...

    Take a look at this, all of them Uyghurs from China, so China have excuse for strikes...
    English subtitle
    https://videopress.com/v/Lgd59fEM


    Another video about NSA.
    IS release video exposing the US-backed 'New Syrian Army'
    https://videopress.com/v/zfI1oL7W

    Take a look at "instructor", at 2:35 - speaks fluently Arabic
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:54 pm

    calm wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Now when it comes to Syria, all we want is their ATGM's and drones for testing.

    20-30 drones, and little help with Aleppo humanitarian situation would be good, nothing more.
    But it would be nice to see some planes too...

    Take a look at this, all of them Uyghurs from China, so China have excuse for strikes...
    English subtitle
    https://videopress.com/v/Lgd59fEM


    Another video about NSA.
    IS release video exposing the US-backed 'New Syrian Army'
    https://videopress.com/v/zfI1oL7W

    Take a look at "instructor", at 2:35 - speaks fluently Arabic
    Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 7 CobtTnrUMAAljDp

    Thick accent, very authoritative doesn't bode well for the actual quality of the group. Bah anyway it doesn't matter, ISIS SVBIEDed them to Allah.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:37 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Chinese military to provide ‘aid and training assistance’ to Syrian government

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-provide-aid-training-assistance-syrian-government/

    But what actually will the full package be???? in addition to training and aid, i would imagine ammunition might also be provided, maybe this is just the start of things to come, here hoping that more comes their way.

    If they have half the brain they will use this opportunity to get some mileage on that show army of theirs, not because they would be essential in the war or because they would want to fight for the cause but because their military has zero experience with actual warfare.

    Last time Chinese fought shooting war was like before I was born against Vietnam. And they got spanked gloriously.

    I am not saying they suck as a rule or anything, I mean Charlies are top grade asskickers, but that was just disastrous.

    They could use some light air war to dip their toes. They have men, guns and money but so does Saudi Arabia and look at them.

    At least the Chinese leadership isn't deep-throating Uncle Sham like your Serbian govt:

    Serbian PM calls top advocate of Yugoslavia NATO bombing Biden a ‘friend of country’
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:50 am


    Since we are flying off topic here I can say only one thing about idea of Chinese knowing how to fight a war:

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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:51 am

    Hey, at least it is aid. SAA needs more equipment and training, and China could provide a lot that would benefit. Would also put less pressure on Russia too. So I say good on them for this decision. It may finally put a major headache on those assholes in Washington and Brussels.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 17, 2016 7:51 am

    Dunno if this was ever posted

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:33 am

    RE: the Chinese in Syria....even if it's a token presence, it's politically very significant by openly siding with the Syrian government and Russia
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:15 am

    Imho no idea what is Chinese Government thinking. They have very few to lose in Syria
    by sending  300 to 400 or even better 2,000 well armed soldiers with a dozen of tanks. and a lot to get a lot of experience , in fighting ISIS-NATO tactics. and also in join fights with Russia. Is like Chinese are completely unaware that if ever Syria is over run , the chinesse terrorist in Syria will later will train many thousands of Chinese muslins to repeat the terror tactics in China too.

    So China will benefit Enormously with experience in Syria with direct fighting.
    Also is legal since UN authorized the fight and Syrian government too.

    The same is true for India. All this self centered nations like India and China , are part of the
    problem ,for doing nothing to help Stop NATO for expanding in the world. China only now feels
    the need to do something.. but only after Americans threaten CHina in the south china sea.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:08 pm

    RE: the Chinese in Syria....even if it's a token presence, it's politically very significant by openly siding with the Syrian government and Russia

    X2

    The real combat experience they could get for their drones and light air to ground weapons would be invaluable to them too.

    I am sure the aide would be appreciated too.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:30 pm


    Video of south Aleppo "death zone" near Ramouseh/Base area

    https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/765967616443809792





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    Post  Resistance on Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:56 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Imho no idea what is Chinese Government thinking. They have very few to lose in Syria
    by sending  300 to 400 or even better 2,000 well armed soldiers with a dozen of tanks. and a lot to get a lot of experience , in fighting ISIS-NATO tactics. and also in join fights with Russia. Is like Chinese are completely unaware that  if ever Syria is over run , the chinesse terrorist in Syria will later will train many thousands of Chinese muslins to repeat the terror tactics in China too.

    So China will benefit Enormously with experience in Syria with direct fighting.
    Also is legal since UN authorized the fight and Syrian government too.

    The same is true for India. All this self centered nations like India and China , are part of the
    problem ,for doing nothing to help Stop NATO for expanding in the world. China only now feels
    the need to do something.. but only after Americans threaten CHina in the south china sea.

    China is keen to develop relations with Saudi Arabia. It is unlikely China will be involved in Syria.
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