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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:26 am

    I may do some very limited posting at best with mostly scrolling through the forums. I will be doing majority of my posts over at the website I am working on. Due to activity of various individuals that flood this forums while certain other member got hounded too much when he was quite innocent even if we disagreed with him, isn't something I am particularly fond of. That, and having to repeat myself far too many times to certain individuals that flood the forum threads with their disinformation. I wouldn't be too upset about it if it weren't for the fact that new members or people just scrolling through themselves who are not familiar with the posting history of those such individuals, will think they are correct and get the wrong impression on things. And I think that goes contrary to what this forums is about. But that isn't my call.

    Anyway, you may very well be right. It may not have been exactly planned by Erdogan as I don't think he is smart enough to pull such a false flag off. But I do think that it is quite a coincidence how the coup workers gave up far too easily and early, as well, how convenient it is for Erdogan - Losing internal and external support, getting lambasted and hated for his tough stance within the country over journalism, support for jihadi's and his constant flip flopping on the international stage; would end up leading him a spot where he can now abuse his power even greater than before, with impunity all in the name of "preserving democracy" against future coup attempts.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:25 am

    sepheronx wrote:I may do some very limited posting at best with mostly scrolling through the forums.  I will be doing majority of my posts over at the website I am working on.  Due to activity of various individuals that flood this forums while certain other member got hounded too much when he was quite innocent even if we disagreed with him, isn't something I am particularly fond of.  That, and having to repeat myself far too many times to certain individuals that flood the forum threads with their disinformation.  I wouldn't be too upset about it if it weren't for the fact that new members or people just scrolling through themselves who are not familiar with the posting history of those such individuals, will think they are correct and get the wrong impression on things.  And I think that goes contrary to what this forums is about.  But that isn't my call.

    Anyway, you may very well be right.  It may not have been exactly planned by Erdogan as I don't think he is smart enough to pull such a false flag off.  But I do think that it is quite a coincidence how the coup workers gave up far too easily and early, as well, how convenient it is for Erdogan - Losing internal and external support, getting lambasted and hated for his tough stance within the country over journalism, support for jihadi's and his constant flip flopping on the international stage; would end up leading him a spot where he can now abuse his power even greater than before, with impunity all in the name of "preserving democracy" against future coup attempts.

    I think this coup was in the air, probably after the summer when TSK rotates from Kurdistan. Given that the Russians explicitly said they'll pump lead on JaN if they keep moving up in Syria and that they were going to be back by End of August, I think the TAF and Army was simply going to attack after rotation from Kurdistan.

    Now given how this thing went and that only two units provided armored vehicles (117XX/119XX) as well as one TAFB (Inçirlik from sources) it was clearly either triggered by something or they thought it would be faster on a friday evening (which personally I find absurd, it's just after the week's prayer).

    They didn't gave up easily, they were too few, for whatever reason and the opposition parties rejected the coup. If there was a betrayal there it is, civilians not knowing their luck when it is right under the nose.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:11 pm


    Ideological reprogramming, Ottoman style:

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    You'd think that in this day and age they would be more subtle but hell no! lol1
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:58 pm

    One of the persons involved. I think his son in law was also arrested.

    Akın Öztürk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak%C4%B1n_%C3%96zt%C3%BCrk

    Gen. Akin Ozturk, who commanded the air force until August, has been arrested. And Gens. Erdal Ozturk, Adem Huduti and Ekrem Caglar, who commanded the 1st, 2nd and 3rd army divisions, respectively, have been detained, as has Rear Adm. Nejat Demirhan of the coast guard.

    President Erdogan’s top military aide, Col. Ali Yazici, also has been detained. Yazici is normally with Erdogan at all times, but the night of the coup, he was in Ankara, and is alleged by the government to have participated in the hostage-taking of Fahri Kasirga, a top presidential aide.

    http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-turkey-coup-20160717-snap-story.html
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:00 pm


    I see a journey in their future...but to where? lol1

    Two Pilots Who Shot Down Russian Su-24 Arrested in Turkey - Reports

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043239951/su-24-pilots-arrested-turkey.html
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    Post  Resistance on Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I see a journey in their future...but to where? lol1

    Two Pilots Who Shot Down Russian Su-24 Arrested in Turkey - Reports

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043239951/su-24-pilots-arrested-turkey.html

    This is just show. Erdogan will never hand them to Russia. Turkey is enemy of Russia since thousands of years ago.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:45 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote: They didn't gave up easily, they were too few, for whatever reason and the opposition parties rejected the coup. If there was a betrayal there it is, civilians not knowing their luck when it is right under the nose.


    Interesting that most of rebels were breed in US/NATO base İncirlik Smile
    but what if successful coup was one of options but not the real objective

    The real one might be cut Turkey from NATO (accusations against US), EU (death penalty, crackdown on opposition) and then split into couple of small fighting US dominions?

    Now US and EU would have r(self appointed) right to help Kurds in fight with both Assad and Turkey...until both are split into parts. Like they tried to do with Russia in 90´s




    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ideological reprogramming, Ottoman style:

    You'd think that in this day and age they would be more subtle but hell no! lol1

    still better then mickey mouse hague court did to Serbs...







    PapaDragon wrote:
    I see a journey in their future...but to where? lol1
    Two Pilots Who Shot Down Russian Su-24 Arrested in Turkey - Reports

    Magadan?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:47 am

    Never hand them over to Russia?

    They should be so lucky.

    I rather suspect they will be executed nice and quick after a show trial so they don't blab to anyone about the fact that they were likely just following orders that came from very high up the chain of command.

    Erdogan said at one point he ordered the attack himself... now I am sure he doesn't want that heard in a Russian court... and there is little chance of a court case in Syria...
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:04 am

    GarryB wrote:Never hand them over to Russia?

    They should be so lucky.

    I rather suspect they will be executed nice and quick after a show trial so they don't blab to anyone about the fact that they were likely just following orders that came from very high up the chain of command.

    Erdogan said at one point he ordered the attack himself... now I am sure he doesn't want that heard in a Russian court... and there is little chance of a court case in Syria...

    No coup. SOB Erdogan stage managed this coup. He has a history of faking things. Here is a glimpse

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:06 am

    GarryB wrote: Erdogan said at one point he ordered the attack himself... now I am sure he doesn't want that heard in a Russian court... and there is little chance of a court case in Syria...

    My wild guess is thet downing Su-24 was US planed and executed action again in "famous" Incirlik base...where coincidentally most of rebels came from.

    Erdo said he was not giving order after some time, why? first reprots might be true govt seemed to be caught by surprise. CIA never sleeps.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:47 am

    GarryB wrote:Never hand them over to Russia?
    They should be so lucky.
    I rather suspect they will be executed nice and quick after a show trial so they don't blab to anyone about the fact that they were likely just following orders that came from very high up the chain of command.
    Erdogan said at one point he ordered the attack himself... now I am sure he doesn't want that heard in a Russian court... and there is little chance of a court case in Syria...

    Precisely what I was implying. Those two guys (so it was twin seater F-16) have become massive liability now that Sultan has decided to back down and make nice with Russia. And we all know that ''accidents'' happen during coups.

    Extradition to Russia would be a jackpot for them. Everyone knows that they actually were only following orders (as worn out as it sounds) so at most they would serve single digit number of years of much longer sentence, counting trees before they get suddenly pardoned at diplomaticaly convenient moment. And whole thing from start to finish would be PR motherload for Russia.

    But odds of them surviving now are slim. So they have two options for their journey: Russia (unlikely) or Afterlife (safe bet).








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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:55 am


    Interesting theory, a bit simplistic but has merits:

    ''Behind the CIA's Desperate Turkey Coup Attempt''

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/behind-cias-desperate-turkey-coup-attempt/ri15684
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote: Those two guys (so it was twin seater F-16) have become massive liability now that Sultan has decided to back down and make nice with Russia. And we all know that ''accidents'' happen during coups.

    Weren't there a pair of F-16s rather than a single one?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I see a journey in their future...but to where? lol1

    Two Pilots Who Shot Down Russian Su-24 Arrested in Turkey - Reports

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043239951/su-24-pilots-arrested-turkey.html

    Bullshit, so first they're heroes, now they're food for pigs? This is so preposterous, that I hope they get to make that journey in Russia, debrief on who gave the order and the whole chain of command so the next coup is semi-competent at least. They did their job as soldiers. It was shameful and nasty, but this is even worse.
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    Post  VARGR198 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:39 pm

    14 Turkish Navy ship at sea are unaccounted for and possibly a part of the coup

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/turkish-navyships-still-missing-after-botched-coup-nj8vj8xjz
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    Post  Kadmos45 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I see a journey in their future...but to where? lol1

    Two Pilots Who Shot Down Russian Su-24 Arrested in Turkey - Reports

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043239951/su-24-pilots-arrested-turkey.html

    What a LOL country Turkey has become Twisted Evil

    This is comedy beyond even maidanuts level.

    Turkey has basically no army now, totally beheaded. Half of their high officer staff ( hundreds of generals and colonels) arrested and counting. Soon to be replaced by uber competent steroid snackbars from bazaars and football fanclubs.

    Kebabian Idiocy of Erdogania  cheers

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:05 pm

    Kadmos45 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I see a journey in their future...but to where? lol1

    Two Pilots Who Shot Down Russian Su-24 Arrested in Turkey - Reports

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043239951/su-24-pilots-arrested-turkey.html

    What a LOL country Turkey has become Twisted Evil

    This is comedy beyond even maidanuts level.

    Turkey has basically no army now, totally beheaded. Half of their high officer staff ( hundreds of generals and colonels)  arrested and counting. Soon to be replaced by uber competent steroid snackbars from bazaars and football fanclubs.

    Kebabian Idiocy of Erdogania  cheers

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    Turkey is really ready for the real semi-competent coup.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:16 pm

    Kadmos45 wrote:...........

    Kebabian Idiocy of Erdogania  cheers

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    It that a burrito? Suspect lol1




    ALSO:

    ''Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended''

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347

    Good luck colleagues, you're gonna need it...
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    Post  Resistance on Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:21 pm

    Hold on. So, AKP wins, Kemalism is dead. Ottoman empire is reborn. That's bad for everyone, including the west, right?
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    Post  franco on Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:14 pm

    Have been dismissed : - 30 provincial governors - 47 district governors - 8777 Interior Ministry staff (incl. 7850 police) - 2745 judges - 15,000+ teachers - and the purge continues.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:31 pm

    franco wrote:Have been dismissed : - 30 provincial governors - 47 district governors - 8777 Interior Ministry staff (incl. 7850 police) - 2745 judges - 15,000+ teachers - and the purge continues.
    This is creating a seriously capable cadre of potential rebels. All fired from high pay/status roles in society and now on the street. Pure genius.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:00 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Have been dismissed : - 30 provincial governors - 47 district governors - 8777 Interior Ministry staff (incl. 7850 police) - 2745 judges - 15,000+ teachers - and the purge continues.
    This is creating a seriously capable cadre of potential rebels. All fired from high pay/status roles in society and now on the street. Pure genius.

    It would be a shame if some one started losing crates of ammo and weapons, wouldn't it?

    Erdog doing this the old way.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:15 am

    From what I read today on news, Turkey just pivoted towards Israel, Russia, & Iran, and away from USA.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:57 am

    The Director of the CIA, John Brennan, is "undoubtedly" played a role in the attempt of a military coup in Turkey, says Lawrence Wilkerson — the former chief of staff to former US Secretary of state Colin Powell.
    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20160720/1472340831.html#ixzz4EwDF6wuD

    so is he an agent of Putin or CIA finally played role? recall most of so called rebels wer e form US base in Incirlik Smile


    Cowboy's daughter wrote:From what I read today on news, Turkey just pivoted towards Israel, Russia, & Iran, and away from USA.


    what is actually good news for ME, less wars and death. West know sno other way than pillage and wars to pump resource sand wealth to oligarchs´accounts.


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    It that a burrito? Suspect lol1

    actually both Burito and Kebab have sam roots Arabic world. Burito is brought by Christian Lebanese o New World and Turks  "borrowed" this to their cuisine.  Like Israelis Polish soup Krupnik Smile
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:23 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Interesting theory, a bit simplistic but has merits:

    ''Behind the CIA's Desperate Turkey Coup Attempt''

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/behind-cias-desperate-turkey-coup-attempt/ri15684

    gas pipe, cooperation, stopping US in "reshaping ME" isn´t t enough?

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