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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:19 pm

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:20 pm

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    Post  dino00 Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:16 pm

    Two new "Avangards" can take up combat duty at the end of December

    TASS was informed about this on Thursday by a source in the military-industrial complex.

    "The next two silo launchers (silos) with ICBMs equipped with Avangards can take up combat duty in one of the regiments of the Yasnensky missile formation approximately on December 25," he said on the Strategic Missile Forces Day celebrated today.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10277813



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    Post  dino00 Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:34 pm

    Russia is developing plans to transfer the Avangard hypersonic complex from Stiletto missiles to advanced missile systems, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting of the Russian Defense Ministry on Monday.

    “We have weapons that are not available in the world. This, first of all, of course, means hypersonic weapons. Now we are developing plans, how to transfer from the Stilet, on which the Avangard is located, to the advanced missile systems under development - a combat maneuvering unit, ”the head of state said
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    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/202012211530-qXwxT.html

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:40 pm

    dino00 wrote:Russia is developing plans to transfer the Avangard hypersonic complex from Stiletto missiles to advanced missile systems, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting of the Russian Defense Ministry on Monday.

    “We have weapons that are not available in the world. This, first of all, of course, means hypersonic weapons. Now we are developing plans, how to transfer from the Stilet, on which the Avangard is located, to the advanced missile systems under development - a combat maneuvering unit, ”the head of state said
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    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/202012211530-qXwxT.html

    Interesting, instead of only the warhead being maneuverable, this seems to suggest that future ICBM carriers will also maneuver in flight. One discussed future growth path for Avantegard would be not only could the 'bus' maneuver but the MIRV'd submunition could develop to maneuver too, utilizing Zircon's technology.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:47 pm

    I had already mentioned before that Avangard would end up on the new heavy launcher.
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    Post  franco Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I had already mentioned before that Avangard would end up on the new heavy launcher.

    My understanding is that has always been the plan and the new launcher will deploy multiple Avangard instead of just the one on the SS-19 rocket.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:00 pm

    franco wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I had already mentioned before that Avangard would end up on the new heavy launcher.

    My understanding is that has always been the plan and the new launcher will deploy multiple Avangard instead of just the one on the SS-19 rocket.

    Yes, but I recall having a debate, I think ISOS a while back who said "nope, only for this missile" and I said no it isn't.

    Maybe it wasn't him. Have to go back in the thread and I'm too lazy for that.
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:35 pm

    The little information we have on the size of the glider supports the plausibility of the plan for it to be mounted on other ICBM models.

    When Sarmat is deployed it can easily carry several such gliders. I think they could stack ten of them. Sort of like a lotus flower
    with the petals being the non-conic gliders.

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    Post  franco Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:01 pm

    kvs wrote:The little information we have on the size of the glider supports the plausibility of the plan for it to be mounted on other ICBM models.    

    When Sarmat is deployed it can easily carry several such gliders.   I think they could stack ten of them.  Sort of like a lotus flower
    with the petals being the non-conic gliders.  


    I would be surprised with 10 as the SS19 can carry 6 MIRV's but apparently only has 1 Avangard.
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:19 pm

    franco wrote:
    kvs wrote:The little information we have on the size of the glider supports the plausibility of the plan for it to be mounted on other ICBM models.    

    When Sarmat is deployed it can easily carry several such gliders.   I think they could stack ten of them.  Sort of like a lotus flower
    with the petals being the non-conic gliders.  


    I would be surprised with 10 as the SS19 can carry 6 MIRV's but apparently only has 1 Avangard.

    The 6 warheads must be the large yield variety.  It was supposed to be able to carry at least ten 500 kiloton warheads.
    Also the Sarmat throw weight is larger than the Vojevoda.
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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:37 pm

    Yars and Bulava should receive Avangard, too.

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    Post  franco Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:06 pm

    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:
    kvs wrote:The little information we have on the size of the glider supports the plausibility of the plan for it to be mounted on other ICBM models.    

    When Sarmat is deployed it can easily carry several such gliders.   I think they could stack ten of them.  Sort of like a lotus flower
    with the petals being the non-conic gliders.  


    I would be surprised with 10 as the SS19 can carry 6 MIRV's but apparently only has 1 Avangard.

    The 6 warheads must be the large yield variety.  It was supposed to be able to carry at least ten 500 kiloton warheads.
    Also the Sarmat throw weight is larger than the Vojevoda.

    The SS18 carries 10 MIRV's while the SS19 can only carry 6. The new Sarmat is to carry 10.
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:48 pm

    franco wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:
    kvs wrote:The little information we have on the size of the glider supports the plausibility of the plan for it to be mounted on other ICBM models.    

    When Sarmat is deployed it can easily carry several such gliders.   I think they could stack ten of them.  Sort of like a lotus flower
    with the petals being the non-conic gliders.  


    I would be surprised with 10 as the SS19 can carry 6 MIRV's but apparently only has 1 Avangard.

    The 6 warheads must be the large yield variety.  It was supposed to be able to carry at least ten 500 kiloton warheads.
    Also the Sarmat throw weight is larger than the Vojevoda.

    The SS18 carries 10 MIRV's while the SS19 can only carry 6. The new Sarmat is to carry 10.

    The Sarmat has more throw weight than the Vojevoda (SS-18). Why did you dredge up the SS-19 when
    the discussion was about Sarmat?

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    Post  franco Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:53 pm

    Because that is the Rocket being used for those Avangard's being presently deployed in Orenberg and will continue to be for quite some time.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:24 am

    franco wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I had already mentioned before that Avangard would end up on the new heavy launcher.

    My understanding is that has always been the plan and the new launcher will deploy multiple Avangard instead of just the one on the SS-19 rocket.

    Correct, Avangard was always default option

    Stiletto was used as placeholder because Avangard completed development before Sarmat did so they didn't want to wait and because they had 30 brand spanking new Stilettos in storage good to go

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    Post  Arrow Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:21 pm

    https://ria.ru/20201222/avangard-1590357744.html
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    Post  dino00 Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:08 pm

    MOSCOW, December 22 - RIA Novosti. The Ministry of Defense has published new data on the flight speed of the hypersonic unit of the Avangard missile system.
    It accelerates to Mach 28, follows from the "Main results of the activities of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in 2012-2020", which are at the disposal of RIA Novosti. This is approximately 7.5 kilometers per second
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    https://ria.ru/20201222/avangard-1590357744.html

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    Post  dino00 Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:13 pm

    The Strategic Missile Forces received four Avangard missile systems

    MOSCOW, December 22 - RIA Novosti. The Russian strategic missile forces (Strategic Missile Forces) have already received four Avangard strategic missile systems, as follows from the collection "The Main Results of the Activities of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in 2012-2020", which is at the disposal of RIA Novosti.
    As noted in the materials of the department, the number of Avangard missile systems in the period from 2012 to 2020 increased to four.

    https://ria.ru/20201222/avangard-1590356998.html

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    Post  dino00 Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:44 am

    Russia’s 1st regiment of Avangard hypersonic missiles to assume full strength in 2021

    Russia has conducted five successful launches of the intercontinental ballistic missiles with these hypersonic boost-glide vehicles


    MOSCOW, December 23. /TASS/. The first regiment of Avangard hypersonic missile systems that went on combat alert in late 2019 in the Orenburg Region will assume its full strength in late 2021, a source in the domestic defense industry told TASS on Wednesday.

    "The first regiment of the Yasny division of the Strategic Missile Force will have six silo-based launchers by the end of next year. Therefore, it will be brought to its assigned strength," the source said.


    https://tass.com/defense/1238801

    6 by 2021 russia

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:48 pm

    Man I like to use some sources as references when either debating or writing articles, but a journo that says 7.5km/s instead of 9.604 km/s pretty much ruins it for me. Still thank you for source.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:23 am

    The second regiment of ICBMs with the Avangard unit will take up combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces by 2023.

    The second regiment of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with the Avangard hypersonic glider unit will take up combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces (Strategic Missile Forces) by 2023. This was announced by the commander of the 13th missile Division, Major General Andrey Cherevko, during the single day of acceptance of military products.

    "In the period up to 2023, another missile regiment in the 13th Missile Division with the Avangard strategic missile system is planned to be put on combat duty" – he reported to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    The first regiment of strategic missile systems with the Avangard hypersonic planning unit will take up combat duty until the end of the year, Cherevko said.

    "The 13th Missile Division continues to re-equip with new strategic missile systems. In accordance with this task, the first missile regiment with the Avangard missile system is scheduled to be put on combat duty in 2021" – he reported to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

    "Work is underway to prepare two silo launchers with missiles. Rearmament is carried out according to the approved schedule. Loading missiles into silo launchers and bringing them ready for combat use is planned for the fourth quarter of 2021" – he said.

    The first regiment, armed with Avangard, entered combat duty in the Orenburg Missile Division in part-time in December 2019.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:00 pm


    How many ICBMs are in one regiment?
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    Post  franco Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:27 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    How many ICBMs are in one regiment?

    Six for these ones... the mobile ICBM's have 9 per regiment and the units at Svyety have 10 silos per. The first regiment will be complete (6) this year when the last two units are installed (3 years at 2 per). Production will increase slowly going forward as it is planned for the second regiment to be complete in 2 years.

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    Post  jhelb Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:57 am

    Hole wrote:Yars and Bulava should receive Avangard, too.
    The MIRV bus itself has been upgraded. The bus for Yars and Bulava are different. How will they receive Avangard?

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