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    Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:01 am

    lancelot wrote:I do not get the idea of keeping the UR-100N rocket in service.
    I mean, Chelomei would likely approve, but how about reducing the amount of systems in use to reduce costs?
    Why not? Its already bought and paid for, and with spares sitting in some warehouse.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:25 pm

    lancelot wrote:I do not get the idea of keeping the UR-100N rocket in service.
    I mean, Chelomei would likely approve, but how about reducing the amount of systems in use to reduce costs?

    UR-100N is used as Avangard carrier because it's intended carrier Sarmat ICBMs is still being tested

    However development of Avangard is complete ahead of Sarmat and they need something to install it on

    These last 30 UR-100Ns were delivered years ago by the Ukraine as part of debt payment because they had no cash

    They have been sitting in their packaging containers ever since and are for all points and purposes brand spanking new and have 30 years of use ahead of them

    Nobody knew it at the time and Ukrainians though that they screwed Russians over when in fact they gave them exactly what they needed to fast-track introduction of Avangard


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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:00 pm

    Avangard was in the making for 30 years. So the Russians knew as Papa said.

    Sarmat is new and not finished.

    Avangard can fit on probably more platforms but require some rework of design.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:31 am

    The SS-19 is a rather good missile and the civilian model for launching satellites Rokot, was a good platform too.

    They have been working on making their own spare parts and equipment to make them a fully Russian product and there was talk of a ROKOT 2 that was all Russian parts that would allow them to use the ones they have as they please and keep using them as long as they need... the money is already spent, so it just makes sense to use them, but as mentioned Sarmat is the replacement so I suspect when it is ready and in production and found to be reliable they will likely just use up their ROKOTs and ROKOT 2s on satellite launches and then replace them with Sarmat I suspect.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:59 am

    GarryB wrote:The SS-19 is a rather good missile and the civilian model for launching satellites Rokot, was a good platform too.

    They have been working on making their own spare parts and equipment to make them a fully Russian product and there was talk of a ROKOT 2 that was all Russian parts that would allow them to use the ones they have as they please and keep using them as long as they need... the money is already spent, so it just makes sense to use them, but as mentioned Sarmat is the replacement so I suspect when it is ready and in production and found to be reliable they will likely just use up their ROKOTs and ROKOT 2s on satellite launches and then replace them with Sarmat I suspect.

    Sarmat is more of a Voevoda SS-18 replacement than UR-100/SS-19. A civilian Sarmat would a Dnepr-replacement rather than Rokot.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:01 am

    Which is possibly why they are talking about the all Russian component/manufacture ROKOT 2.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:44 am

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=540856&lang=RU

    Interesting what else they will surprise us with.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:04 am

    As mentioned in the article... a ground launched 4,500km range cruise missile and a hypersonic air breathing scramjet missile like Zircon would be the quickest and easiest to deploy rapidly and they could be sent to existing units with already existing launchers and equipment...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:10 pm

    First (censored/blurred) pic of the Avangard Hypersonic Glide vehicle shown during a Zvezda TV show
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    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1337672274699120643

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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:31 pm

    Not surprising that it looks like a mini-shuttle. There is really only one choice based on high speed aerodynamics in
    a very low density medium. And please anyone don't claim it is a rip off of some American design. The USSR was
    designing such shuttle shapes back in the 1960s. That Americans came up with similar is dictated by the physics
    and not an issue for nationalist dick stroking.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:06 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    First (censored/blurred) pic of the Avangard Hypersonic Glide vehicle shown during a Zvezda TV show
    Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”) - Page 16 EpBdurdVEAE_aHh?format=jpg&name=medium
    .....

    Looks like Japanese penis lol1

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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:26 pm

    Apparently it was shown in full before:
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyn9DO1VBVM&feature=youtu.be

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:15 pm

    LMFS wrote:Apparently it was shown in full before:
    Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”) - Page 16 EpB3KktW8AAGaAb?format=jpg&name=large

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyn9DO1VBVM&feature=youtu.be

    Thanks, it doesn't show the separate stage of Avantgarde, just still in it's casing.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 am

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:39 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Apparently it was shown in full before:
    Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”) - Page 16 EpB3KktW8AAGaAb?format=jpg&name=large

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyn9DO1VBVM&feature=youtu.be

    Thanks, it doesn't show the separate stage of Avantgarde, just still in it's casing.

    As I suspected, it's basically a maket in a static display, so no real insight what the actual warhead would look like.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:51 am

    The Americans don't know how to make it... why show them.

    The Buran was quicker and cheaper because the US Space Shuttles design and shape could not be hidden...
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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:15 pm

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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:16 pm

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:57 pm

    GarryB wrote:The Americans don't know how to make it... why show them.

    The Buran was quicker and cheaper because the US Space Shuttles design and shape could not be hidden...

    There are not that many choices for the shape of the hypersonic glider. But not giving the enemy free information
    is the right policy. One of the critical pieces of information is what sort of high temperature resistant skin it has.
    Given the size of the container, it is unlikely that it uses any sort of ceramic tiles. But just ablative material
    is not the trivial alternative. The ablation cannot be predicted if it is maneuvering hundreds of kilometers side to
    side. So there is likely to be a real secret to hide.

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:04 pm

    https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/id-this-1960s-soviet-glider.27276/

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    I found the photo of the Soviet space shuttle design from the 1960s.   The photograph dates to before March 27 of 1968
    and includes Yuri Gagarin.

    All the claims about the USSR stealing the US Space Shuttle design are pure BS.   The same sort of BS as the claim that
    the Tu-95 is a copy of the B-29.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:16 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/id-this-1960s-soviet-glider.27276/

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    I found the photo of the Soviet space shuttle design from the 1960s.   The photograph dates to before March 27 of 1968
    and includes Yuri Gagarin.

    All the claims about the USSR stealing the US Space Shuttle design are pure BS.   The same sort of BS as the claim that
    the Tu-95 is a copy of the B-29.

    Nice find! Yeah looks like the claim has been completely shut down, even I used to believe it. Embarassed

    From the link:

    http://www.buran.ru/other/Buran_Gagarin.pdf

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:20 pm

    To preempt the usual "it's a photoshop fake" BS I have seen this photo published in a western magazine on paper during the early
    1990s.  Given the reality imposed by physics, this is not a fake even if it is a "staged" shot.   Fanbois are simply not qualified to
    spout most of the rubbish they do.   And urnalists are there to spread propaganda.

    As for Russia "ripping off" the ceramic tile concept. Well, people who think this is so can go jump in a lake. There is not an
    infinite number of totally different solutions for every problem, especially when dealing with the constraints of economics and
    technology.

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:27 am



    Another ICBM of the Avangard missile system was loaded into a silo launcher.

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:28 am

    owais.usmani wrote:

    Another ICBM of the Avangard missile system was loaded into a silo launcher.

    If I understand correctly, in the video we only see the 3 staged SS-19 missile being loaded in the silo. The payload section having the Avangard HGV would be attached on top of it separately.

    And this must be one of the SS-19 they received from Ukraine back in the 90s. Somebody forward this video to Ukrainian MOD please. lol!

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:18 pm

    They were payment for a huge debt.

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