Home
Register
Log in
lyle6Why not? Its already bought and paid for, and with spares sitting in some warehouse.lancelot wrote:I do not get the idea of keeping the UR-100N rocket in service.
I mean, Chelomei would likely approve, but how about reducing the amount of systems in use to reduce costs?
+36
thegopnik
archangelski
owais.usmani
Ives
LMFS
The-thing-next-door
dino00
Russophile
Cyberspec
BKP
Arrow
Teshub
miketheterrible
magnumcromagnon
GunshipDemocracy
Hole
Tsavo Lion
Isos
KomissarBojanchev
flamming_python
Singular_Transform
AlfaT8
PapaDragon
JohninMK
jhelb
gaurav
zg18
kvs
Project Canada
George1
GarryB
Big_Gazza
max steel
Austin
Vann7
Viktor
40 posters
Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
lyle6- Posts : 740
Points : 742
Join date : 2020-09-14
Location : Philippines
PapaDragon- Posts : 11426
Points : 11496
Join date : 2015-04-26
Location : Fort Evil, Serbia
- Post n°377
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
PapaDragon Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:25 pm
lancelot wrote:I do not get the idea of keeping the UR-100N rocket in service.
I mean, Chelomei would likely approve, but how about reducing the amount of systems in use to reduce costs?
UR-100N is used as Avangard carrier because it's intended carrier Sarmat ICBMs is still being tested
However development of Avangard is complete ahead of Sarmat and they need something to install it on
These last 30 UR-100Ns were delivered years ago by the Ukraine as part of debt payment because they had no cash
They have been sitting in their packaging containers ever since and are for all points and purposes brand spanking new and have 30 years of use ahead of them
Nobody knew it at the time and Ukrainians though that they screwed Russians over when in fact they gave them exactly what they needed to fast-track introduction of Avangard
miketheterrible, LMFS and lyle6 like this post
miketheterrible- Posts : 6125
Points : 6101
Join date : 2016-11-06
- Post n°378
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
miketheterrible Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:00 pm
Avangard was in the making for 30 years. So the Russians knew as Papa said.
Sarmat is new and not finished.
Avangard can fit on probably more platforms but require some rework of design.
Sarmat is new and not finished.
Avangard can fit on probably more platforms but require some rework of design.
GarryB- Posts : 30569
Points : 31099
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
The SS-19 is a rather good missile and the civilian model for launching satellites Rokot, was a good platform too.
They have been working on making their own spare parts and equipment to make them a fully Russian product and there was talk of a ROKOT 2 that was all Russian parts that would allow them to use the ones they have as they please and keep using them as long as they need... the money is already spent, so it just makes sense to use them, but as mentioned Sarmat is the replacement so I suspect when it is ready and in production and found to be reliable they will likely just use up their ROKOTs and ROKOT 2s on satellite launches and then replace them with Sarmat I suspect.
They have been working on making their own spare parts and equipment to make them a fully Russian product and there was talk of a ROKOT 2 that was all Russian parts that would allow them to use the ones they have as they please and keep using them as long as they need... the money is already spent, so it just makes sense to use them, but as mentioned Sarmat is the replacement so I suspect when it is ready and in production and found to be reliable they will likely just use up their ROKOTs and ROKOT 2s on satellite launches and then replace them with Sarmat I suspect.
Big_Gazza- Posts : 2730
Points : 2730
Join date : 2014-08-25
Location : Melbourne, Australia
- Post n°380
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
Big_Gazza Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:59 am
GarryB wrote:The SS-19 is a rather good missile and the civilian model for launching satellites Rokot, was a good platform too.
They have been working on making their own spare parts and equipment to make them a fully Russian product and there was talk of a ROKOT 2 that was all Russian parts that would allow them to use the ones they have as they please and keep using them as long as they need... the money is already spent, so it just makes sense to use them, but as mentioned Sarmat is the replacement so I suspect when it is ready and in production and found to be reliable they will likely just use up their ROKOTs and ROKOT 2s on satellite launches and then replace them with Sarmat I suspect.
Sarmat is more of a Voevoda SS-18 replacement than UR-100/SS-19. A civilian Sarmat would a Dnepr-replacement rather than Rokot.
GarryB- Posts : 30569
Points : 31099
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
Which is possibly why they are talking about the all Russian component/manufacture ROKOT 2.
Arrow- Posts : 964
Points : 962
Join date : 2012-02-12
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=540856&lang=RU
Interesting what else they will surprise us with.
Interesting what else they will surprise us with.
GarryB- Posts : 30569
Points : 31099
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
As mentioned in the article... a ground launched 4,500km range cruise missile and a hypersonic air breathing scramjet missile like Zircon would be the quickest and easiest to deploy rapidly and they could be sent to existing units with already existing launchers and equipment...
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 7326
Points : 7475
Join date : 2013-12-05
Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan
- Post n°384
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:10 pm
First (censored/blurred) pic of the Avangard Hypersonic Glide vehicle shown during a Zvezda TV show
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1337672274699120643
GarryB, dino00 and kvs like this post
kvs- Posts : 10625
Points : 10772
Join date : 2014-09-11
Location : Canuckistan
Not surprising that it looks like a mini-shuttle. There is really only one choice based on high speed aerodynamics in
a very low density medium. And please anyone don't claim it is a rip off of some American design. The USSR was
designing such shuttle shapes back in the 1960s. That Americans came up with similar is dictated by the physics
and not an issue for nationalist dick stroking.
a very low density medium. And please anyone don't claim it is a rip off of some American design. The USSR was
designing such shuttle shapes back in the 1960s. That Americans came up with similar is dictated by the physics
and not an issue for nationalist dick stroking.
PapaDragon- Posts : 11426
Points : 11496
Join date : 2015-04-26
Location : Fort Evil, Serbia
- Post n°386
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
PapaDragon Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:06 pm
magnumcromagnon wrote:First (censored/blurred) pic of the Avangard Hypersonic Glide vehicle shown during a Zvezda TV show
.....
Looks like Japanese penis
LMFS- Posts : 3887
Points : 3889
Join date : 2018-03-03
Apparently it was shown in full before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyn9DO1VBVM&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyn9DO1VBVM&feature=youtu.be
dino00, magnumcromagnon and kvs like this post
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 7326
Points : 7475
Join date : 2013-12-05
Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan
- Post n°388
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:15 pm
LMFS wrote:Apparently it was shown in full before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyn9DO1VBVM&feature=youtu.be
Thanks, it doesn't show the separate stage of Avantgarde, just still in it's casing.
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 7326
Points : 7475
Join date : 2013-12-05
Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan
- Post n°389
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 am
dino00 likes this post
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 7326
Points : 7475
Join date : 2013-12-05
Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan
- Post n°390
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:39 am
magnumcromagnon wrote:LMFS wrote:Apparently it was shown in full before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyn9DO1VBVM&feature=youtu.be
Thanks, it doesn't show the separate stage of Avantgarde, just still in it's casing.
As I suspected, it's basically a maket in a static display, so no real insight what the actual warhead would look like.
GarryB- Posts : 30569
Points : 31099
Join date : 2010-03-30
Location : New Zealand
The Americans don't know how to make it... why show them.
The Buran was quicker and cheaper because the US Space Shuttles design and shape could not be hidden...
The Buran was quicker and cheaper because the US Space Shuttles design and shape could not be hidden...
Hole- Posts : 4499
Points : 4491
Join date : 2018-03-24
Age : 45
Location : Merkelland
LMFS and lyle6 like this post
Hole- Posts : 4499
Points : 4491
Join date : 2018-03-24
Age : 45
Location : Merkelland
Nice living room
Big_Gazza likes this post
kvs- Posts : 10625
Points : 10772
Join date : 2014-09-11
Location : Canuckistan
GarryB wrote:The Americans don't know how to make it... why show them.
The Buran was quicker and cheaper because the US Space Shuttles design and shape could not be hidden...
There are not that many choices for the shape of the hypersonic glider. But not giving the enemy free information
is the right policy. One of the critical pieces of information is what sort of high temperature resistant skin it has.
Given the size of the container, it is unlikely that it uses any sort of ceramic tiles. But just ablative material
is not the trivial alternative. The ablation cannot be predicted if it is maneuvering hundreds of kilometers side to
side. So there is likely to be a real secret to hide.
kvs- Posts : 10625
Points : 10772
Join date : 2014-09-11
Location : Canuckistan
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/id-this-1960s-soviet-glider.27276/
I found the photo of the Soviet space shuttle design from the 1960s. The photograph dates to before March 27 of 1968
and includes Yuri Gagarin.
All the claims about the USSR stealing the US Space Shuttle design are pure BS. The same sort of BS as the claim that
the Tu-95 is a copy of the B-29.
I found the photo of the Soviet space shuttle design from the 1960s. The photograph dates to before March 27 of 1968
and includes Yuri Gagarin.
All the claims about the USSR stealing the US Space Shuttle design are pure BS. The same sort of BS as the claim that
the Tu-95 is a copy of the B-29.
dino00, magnumcromagnon, Hole and lyle6 like this post
magnumcromagnon- Posts : 7326
Points : 7475
Join date : 2013-12-05
Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan
- Post n°396
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
magnumcromagnon Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:16 pm
kvs wrote:https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/id-this-1960s-soviet-glider.27276/
I found the photo of the Soviet space shuttle design from the 1960s. The photograph dates to before March 27 of 1968
and includes Yuri Gagarin.
All the claims about the USSR stealing the US Space Shuttle design are pure BS. The same sort of BS as the claim that
the Tu-95 is a copy of the B-29.
Nice find! Yeah looks like the claim has been completely shut down, even I used to believe it.
From the link:
http://www.buran.ru/other/Buran_Gagarin.pdf
Big_Gazza, kvs and zepia like this post
kvs- Posts : 10625
Points : 10772
Join date : 2014-09-11
Location : Canuckistan
To preempt the usual "it's a photoshop fake" BS I have seen this photo published in a western magazine on paper during the early
1990s. Given the reality imposed by physics, this is not a fake even if it is a "staged" shot. Fanbois are simply not qualified to
spout most of the rubbish they do. And urnalists are there to spread propaganda.
As for Russia "ripping off" the ceramic tile concept. Well, people who think this is so can go jump in a lake. There is not an
infinite number of totally different solutions for every problem, especially when dealing with the constraints of economics and
technology.
1990s. Given the reality imposed by physics, this is not a fake even if it is a "staged" shot. Fanbois are simply not qualified to
spout most of the rubbish they do. And urnalists are there to spread propaganda.
As for Russia "ripping off" the ceramic tile concept. Well, people who think this is so can go jump in a lake. There is not an
infinite number of totally different solutions for every problem, especially when dealing with the constraints of economics and
technology.
owais.usmani- Posts : 799
Points : 797
Join date : 2019-03-27
Age : 35
- Post n°398
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
owais.usmani Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:27 am
Another ICBM of the Avangard missile system was loaded into a silo launcher.
George1, dino00, kvs, zepia, LMFS and Hole like this post
owais.usmani- Posts : 799
Points : 797
Join date : 2019-03-27
Age : 35
- Post n°399
Re: Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)
owais.usmani Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:28 am
owais.usmani wrote:
Another ICBM of the Avangard missile system was loaded into a silo launcher.
If I understand correctly, in the video we only see the 3 staged SS-19 missile being loaded in the silo. The payload section having the Avangard HGV would be attached on top of it separately.
And this must be one of the SS-19 they received from Ukraine back in the 90s. Somebody forward this video to Ukrainian MOD please.
magnumcromagnon likes this post
Hole- Posts : 4499
Points : 4491
Join date : 2018-03-24
Age : 45
Location : Merkelland
They were payment for a huge debt.
Old truck, newish missile.
Old truck, newish missile.
George1 likes this post
|
|
|