The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

Khepesh wrote:ukrops border guard barracks burns in Lvov

franco wrote:

Khepesh wrote:ukrops border guard barracks burns in Lvov
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Who the heck manufactures those air conditioners anyway?

Project Canada wrote:
Good, in the event of a total conflict, Kiev needs to be liberated and rightfully returned to Russia. It is an important piece of Russia’s history, the birth place of the Kievan Rus.

Project Canada wrote:
Good, in the event of a total conflict, Kiev needs to be liberated and rightfully returned to Russia. It is an important piece of Russia’s history, the birth place of the Kievan Rus.

OminousSpudd wrote:

Project Canada wrote:
Good, in the event of a total conflict, Kiev needs to be liberated and rightfully returned to Russia. It is an important piece of Russia’s history, the birth place of the Kievan Rus.

Problem is that Western Ukraine is still full of morons that still think the whole deal is all Russia's fault. Nothing's going to change that now. You only have to look at the attitudes in places such as Lithuania, Latvia, Finland and Poland to understand that rabid Russophobia can not be countered by their own economic reality. Majority of those Eastern States are still abject failures, and they've been a part of the West for how long? Yet who do they still blame? Nothing will change until the Western hegemony that they so desperately love collapses. Kiev doesn't want to be liberated, they want to be enslaved.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

Project Canada wrote:
Good, in the event of a total conflict, Kiev needs to be liberated and rightfully returned to Russia. It is an important piece of Russia’s history, the birth place of the Kievan Rus.

Problem is that Western Ukraine is still full of morons that still think the whole deal is all Russia's fault. Nothing's going to change that now. You only have to look at the attitudes in places such as Lithuania, Latvia, Finland and Poland to understand that rabid Russophobia can not be countered by their own economic reality. Majority of those Eastern States are still abject failures, and they've been a part of the West for how long? Yet who do they still blame? Nothing will change until the Western hegemony that they so desperately love collapses. Kiev doesn't want to be liberated, they want to be enslaved.

Oh really? Most people in Poland would not even resist a Russian invasion of that country, and you are claiming Poland as an example of "Russophobia"?

Try invading U.S.A., U.K., and Germany, and see how much they love you.

Kiev will pay dearly for not honoring its debt obligations to Beijing

Irina Alksnis

The Russian Internet exploded at the recent news about a legendary Soviet cargo plane, the Antonov An-225 Mriya, becoming the property of China. The way the deal was announced by the parties is indicative of its content.
China’s CCTV –TV – has reported that the Celestial Kingdom will get the plane from the Ukrainian state corporation lock, stock and barrel, including a full set of documents. A few hours later, Antonov denied this information, later making a vague comment on the deal.

We’re left wondering which side is telling the truth. Personally, I think the choice between an official Chinese agency and a Ukrainian source is obvious.

But why did they choose to announce it in this strange way? There have been other cases when big deals were scotched for less. Silence and delicacy are elementary in business, and the Chinese know this.

So what happened? The explanation is probably quite simple. First, the Chinese know Ukraine is in a bind. But also, apart from getting the Mriya, they want to humiliate Ukraine in public.

That’s why the statement by CCTV was so crude, so offensive to Ukraine.

Looking at previous news feeds, we discover that China has has behaved this way towards China before. A few days ago it was revealed that Beijing had not invited Peter Poroshenko to the September G20 Summit in Hangzhou, even though the Ukrainians tried hard to make it happen, including publicly, looking pretty foolish. Ukraine was ignored by China, although it invited the leaders of Chad, Laos and Senegal.

And just yesterday China publicly gave Ukraine slap in the face, refusing to import its infested grain.

China has several reasons for this offensive behavior toward Ukraine, but one of them is the three-billion-dollar grain loan, a story that’s not unusual for Ukraine: In 2013 China provided a three billion-dollar loan to Ukraine to deliver grain and buy Chinese goods. Then Maidan happened and the loan was terminated before Kiev’s obligations were carried out. The new authorities went so far as to say: “You gave money to Yanukovich, so ask him.”

But only a complete fool would think that China would so easily forgive deceit, breach of contract and robbery. Ukraine will have to pay and repent.

It’s also strange that CCTV didn’t mention the amount of money involved, suggesting that China is getting the Mriya in lieu of debt repayment. Beijing will take every opportunity to wipe its boots on Ukraine publicly. Because everything comes at a price.

airstrike wrote:Former NATO chief: west ready to provide Ukraine with lethal weapons if situation does not stabilize

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/04/former-nato-chief-west-ready-to-provide-ukraine-with-lethal-weapons-if-situation-does-not-stabilize/

sepheronx wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

airstrike wrote:Former NATO chief: west ready to provide Ukraine with lethal weapons if situation does not stabilize

http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/04/former-nato-chief-west-ready-to-provide-ukraine-with-lethal-weapons-if-situation-does-not-stabilize/

Usual NATO horseshit. Still trying to give meaning to their existence.

Everyone hopes they do it, it would mean NAF will be getting entire Russian military surplus withing a weekend.

And some fresh stuff for testing on top.

Exactly, this will guarantee NAF will get fresh supplies of new gear. Bet the lethal weapons they will give will be shit like M4's some artillery some shorads, etc.  Nothing that will ultimately help and NATO knows will be captured so they won't give anything new or good.

Khepesh wrote:Sometimes problems emerge from seemingly nowhere. Last week there were problems in Odessa oblast when a Roma man was arrested in Loshchinovka for rape and murder of girl. As consequence of this the Roma community was attacked and houses burnt. Now there are problems at Makhukovka in Poltava oblast, as Roma, armed with axes, hoes and iron rods, chased and attacked non Roma children, putting one in hosptial. I already noticed that some MSM reported about the events in Odessa, but only about the attacks on Roma, not the reason for these attacks, yet more propaganda by silence.... Anyway, this incident will be a little harder for them to report, so probably they will ignore it, unless enraged residents attack Roma, then that, and only that aspect will be the story. https://lenta.ru/news/2016/09/06/ukraina_cygane/

Khepesh wrote:Western media did not report, as far as I saw, the reason why the Roma were forced from their homes, so making it seem an unprovoked attack on Roma. The purpose of my post was not really about Roma, it is about the West and their cynicism and bizarre "hierachy of victims". There is a descending order of who are "victims" in Western Orwellian political correctness that need "protecting". Roma are not far from the top in this order, behind other ethnic groups, so they are regarded as "victims" even if they are the perpetrators of crimes. The West has nothing but contempt for Slavs and despite what they say in public, see the population of Ukraine as Russians, therefore, by their Orwellian terms of reference, the absolute bottom of the pile, almost non people. This is of course nazi and hypocritical. It shows that West does not care about the people of Ukraine, only minorities approved of by the West, when it suits their purpose.

Khepesh wrote:Western media did not report, as far as I saw, the reason why the Roma were forced from their homes, so making it seem an unprovoked attack on Roma. The purpose of my post was not really about Roma, it is about the West and their cynicism and bizarre "hierachy of victims". There is a descending order of who are "victims" in Western Orwellian political correctness that need "protecting". Roma are not far from the top in this order, behind other ethnic groups, so they are regarded as "victims" even if they are the perpetrators of crimes. The West has nothing but contempt for Slavs and despite what they say in public, see the population of Ukraine as Russians, therefore, by their Orwellian terms of reference, the absolute bottom of the pile, almost non people. This is of course nazi and hypocritical. It shows that West does not care about the people of Ukraine, only minorities approved of by the West, when it suits their purpose.