sepheronx wrote:Can someone remind me again how this is Russia's fault on this? This is SAA fault. They need to be determined if they are going to go into Raqqa, and that means full support. They didn't. Syria has a larger airforce in their own country than what Russia currently has stationed in Syria. Add to that, RuAF has been concentrating on bombings in Palmyra and Northern Aleppo, so the Raqqa movement and southern Aleppo has to also get support from other airforces. I myself would be quite happy just to have Moscow send more aircrafts (and eventually they probably will when they see SAA losing this badly again) but in time being, they cannot be everywhere at once. For all intense and purposes, RuAF has done far more in a very short period of time than US did in over a year.
I repeat - SyAF needs to be more involved. I haven't heard much from them in quite some time.
What loss of Ka-52's? You are trolling pretty hard there Kilo
The war on Syria by NATO is not exactly Russia fault ,but is Russia responsibility
simply because Russia have a military base in Syria and is their allies. So MR Putin
should have know that his presence in Syria will invite NATO to attack it.. See?
that wasnt difficult to guess? it was?
The war in Syria began in March 2011 ,according to a Turkey journalist ,that was in Damascus
and Hillary Clinton Demanded Assad peace with Israel ,to end its relations with Russia and IRAN and Hezbolah or War. Assad prefered loyalty to his friends and got the war.
After the IRAQ invasion in 2003 by Bush ,it should have been Obvious by Russia ,that Assad was going to be next for being next to IRAQ. So since that time Russia had time to train the SYrian army to fight an invasion of NATO or Israel. In 2006 Israel invaded Lebanon , and obviously
Syria had to help Hezbolah to kick Israel from lebanon ,otherwise Latakia was going to be taken
and SYria landlocked. So any competent leader in Russia should have predicted that a confrontation between US + ISrael against Syria was a matter of time. So Russia was under an obligation to help Syria their allies to prepare Syria to counter any Israel/Americans invasion. At those times Syria had a lot of money ,and its GDP was 7% per year. So Russia the least of the things it could do is properly arm and train the Syrian army ,for a war that was inevitable.
and start selling T-72 tanks to Syria properly armed with night vision and electronics. Is not like it was going to be free. Syria paid for 12 planes and many other things in 2006 that is mig-29sm with night vision and precision bombing capabilities and still in 2011 Syria did not received
anything of what they paid. Russia could have helped enourmously Syria by training and selling t-72 tanks to Syria ,or even help Syria to produce the tanks on Syria under license. but no. they did nothing of that. Russia waited 5 years after the war began and after Syria lost most of its territory and lost idlib to start to help Syria. Any other competent Russian President will have sent 10,000 mercenaries at least to Syria to help Assad hold Latakia and IDLIB . But he did nothing. Putin just played the political correctness card ,of not interfering in Syria and later
was forced to interfere ,when it was clear that Syria was only a month or two away of total collapse.
When lost Idlib and Palmyra.
Assad was full of very old military hardware and very poor conditions T-62 and T-72 tanks
and was not properly armed to face any NATO war. and Russia could have at the very least
upgraded all its tanks and trained its army to fight .
Now assad after 5 years of fighting NATO proxy forces ,armed with NATO trained mercenaries and weapons ,is forced to accept to be bombed by Alqaeda and not fight back.
So Russia position in Syria in weak as hell , is causing hundreds of civilians killed all for what?
Because Putin did not prepared Syria military with hardware to fight any possible war.
No one here is asking Russia to become a Charity and give away free hardware. Where Russia failed is in prepared its Syrian allies to be armed properly for a NATO war. By not selling and upgrading its armor and gear.
Then you have Ukraine.
The revolution began in 2013 ,lasted for 4-5 months and Putin did nothing to save
Yakunovych hold power , he simply AGAIN ,limited to political correctness , and allowed
Americans to overthrow Yakunovych ,something that represent a major threat to Russia security. Russia could have send easily 5,000 fake Pro Government protesters ,to fight the Euromaidans and neutralize them. But Putin was more interested in Sochi construction than
the violent revolution at its borders.
So again and again , what we witness in Putin ,is a extremely Reactionary president.
that will do nothing until things really becomes really bad. it was Putin responsibility to
properly arm,modernize and train Syrian Army if he wanted to continue having their support.
and prepare Syria to fight NATO until Russia could move to Syria to assist them. But if Putin
didn't wanted to have to deal with a War in Syria. ,then the least he could do is warn Assad
that if he gets in trouble with NATO or Israel he will be alone. and encourage Assad to negotiate
with Israel peace ,like Jordan and become a Puppet state. Yes Russia will have lost its military base in Syria but will have saved them from a war. So it was Putin's obligation to help Syria
to either Avoid a war ,or to fight it. either one. But what Russia did? it encourage Assad to resist
NATO and ISRAEL ,and later did not backup them in full when things goes bad.
Then you have Serbia now blackmailed by Americans to Join NATO, So Serbia see the weak
support Russia give to its allies like Syria ,and they will do right to join NATO and avoid to become another Syria. But what Russia do? Insult Serbia ,by saying is shameful if they join NATO.
But what other choice Serbia have? If Russia is not prepared to go to a war with NATO in support of an ally ,then Russia should stop ,STOP encouraging nations to resist. and fight their imperialism. Because what Putin is doing, is sending a false image ,that Russia will backup any ally in case they are in trouble. even if that means war with Americans. but that is not the case. Putin from his own mouth told ,was not going to fight Americans ,not even for Syria ,when Obama was about to bomb Assad.
In Summary ,Putin's policies are dangerous. he is encouraging Nations to resist NATO imperialism ,but do not tell them ,that if they get in trouble they will be in their own. I will honestly will have prefered Russia leave middle east and not interfere or make any alliance with Syria. and instead pressure them to cooperate with NATO and Israel. to save so many lives.
And even if that means lose any presence in middle east. It will have been the best thing for Russia and the best thing for Syria. in short Putin policies are wrong. You don't encourage a friend into a fight with another,if later you are leave them alone. What Russia is doing will be similar as if a friend of you ask you help to fight another group. then you say sure. but when you go to the fight ,you change opinion and tell your friend. that your support will be limited.
People talks is not Russia responsiblity... bla bla bla. Is not Russia war.. bla bla bla, WRONG!
The war against Syria is a war against Russia in reality .a Pipeline war and a war against IRAN which ultimate goal seeks to encircle Russia even in the caspian sea.
So is Russia responsibility to not give false hopes to its allies ,who wants to be closer to Russia.
Putin is not the genius people makes him to be. He might be a good president ,but he is not
aware of how he is putting at risk the security of other nations with their policies. Russia needs to define which countries are red line for Russia ,that they will not allow ,no matter what to be taken by NATO and that is ready to fight to the end for them. And any other not really important for Russia security ,should be warned they will be 100% on their own if get in trouble.
and that they will do better to not oppose NATO or Israel ,because will be alone.
This means that Russia should stay better fighting withing the borders of their land and nothing
else. it doesn't have the influence and alliance that American have to effectively fight far from its borders a land war.