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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

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    Post  medo Wed May 18, 2016 10:34 pm

    Ispan wrote:I regret not having the time to report, but this graphic shows how the situation worsens everyday

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #24 - Page 31 CiwI4DsXAAAgPYu

    And Orcs waste 1589 shells for what results? Make Novorussian army angry? Orcs doesn't produce ammunition, they are depending on their reserve stocks. They already lost half of their artillery. We could only imagine, how much of their ammunition stocks they already lost in all those battles, destroyed by direct hits of novorussian artillery or captured? Their stocks are not infinite.
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    Post  auslander Wed May 18, 2016 10:47 pm

    Militarov wrote:50.000 TOWs would be like one 5th of all serviceable TOWs in the world lol

    You gentlemen need to stop replying to that troll, he's a fifteen year old child whose mental capacity rivals that of a fried snail.
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    Post  Guest Wed May 18, 2016 10:55 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Militarov wrote:50.000 TOWs would be like one 5th of all serviceable TOWs in the world lol

    You gentlemen need to stop replying to that troll, he's a fifteen year old child whose mental capacity rivals that of a fried snail.  

    He amuses me >.<
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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 19, 2016 1:15 am

    The IMF money slowly walks forward a month at a time. Now it looks like July at earliest (a day ago Kiev had hopes for June), with Russia trying to scupper it (not sure they can) and lots of conditions Kiev has to fulfil.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — The International Monetary Fund (IMF) mission to Ukraine has worked out a staff-level agreement with Kiev on the reforms needed to disburse the next tranche of financial assistance from the Fund, IMF Mission Chief for Ukraine Ron van Rooden said in a statement on Wednesday.

    "The mission reached staff level agreement with the authorities on policies needed to complete the second review under the EFF, subject to approval by IMF management and the Executive Board. The implementation of strong [reform] measures in these areas will pave the way for the IMF Executive Board’s consideration of the review, expected in July 2016," van Rooden stated.

    Officials from the International Monetary Fund are currently in Kiev with a nine-day visit to review the country's loan arrangement.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160518/1039843470/imf-ukraine-review-agreement.html#ixzz4932aGOEf
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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 19, 2016 1:31 am

    Remember that ammo dump that went up with a fireworks display in Ukraine last Autumn? Well the legal side rumbles on and how about the damage photo. All that gear not to be used in the ATO. Yandex translate from bmpd

    As Diana Mikhailova writes in the article "the Negligence and fireworks. The results of the explosion at the ammunition depots in Svatovo", published by the information Agency RIA Novosti (Ukraine), thanks to the published decision of the Pechersk district court of Kiev has considered in open court the petition of the Prosecutor of Department of the Main military Prosecutor Prosecutor General of Ukraine about the extension of remand in custody against the suspect joint chiefs of warehouses is rocket-artillery arms "sector A" (Svatove, Ukraine-controlled part of Luhansk region), became known the true extent of the disaster at these stores October 29, 2015.

    Destroyed in the explosion 29.10.2015 in Svatovo (Ukraine-controlled part of Luhansk region) combat vehicles 9P140 MLRS "Hurricane" Ukrainian armed forces (with) Diana Mikhailova / RIA Novosti (Ukraine)


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    Post  zg18 Thu May 19, 2016 2:03 am

    JohninMK wrote:Remember that ammo dump that went up with a fireworks display in Ukraine last Autumn? Well the legal side rumbles on and how about the damage photo. All that gear not to be used in the ATO. Yandex translate from bmpd

    As Diana Mikhailova writes in the article "the Negligence and fireworks. The results of the explosion at the ammunition depots in Svatovo", published by the information Agency RIA Novosti (Ukraine), thanks to the published decision of the Pechersk district court of Kiev has considered in open court the petition of the Prosecutor of Department of the Main military Prosecutor Prosecutor General of Ukraine about the extension of remand in custody against the suspect joint chiefs of warehouses is rocket-artillery arms "sector A" (Svatove, Ukraine-controlled part of Luhansk region), became known the true extent of the disaster at these stores October 29, 2015.

    Destroyed in the explosion 29.10.2015 in Svatovo (Ukraine-controlled part of Luhansk region) combat vehicles 9P140 MLRS "Hurricane" Ukrainian armed forces (with) Diana Mikhailova / RIA Novosti (Ukraine)


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    Heavy toll on MLRS in that fire:

    One combat vehicle 9A52 "Smerch", four transport-charging machines 9T234 to BM 9A52 "Smerch", seven combat vehicles 9P140 "Hurricane", eight transport-loading vehicle 9T452 to BM 9P140 "Hurricane

    http://rian.com.ua/columnist/20160518/1010164328.html

    So one "Smerch" and seven "Uragans" launching vehicles lost plus logistical vehicles (4 for "Smerch" & 8 for "Uragan).
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    Post  JohninMK Fri May 20, 2016 12:22 pm

    One of the unexpected consequences of running out of money. The unpaid debts appear in the strangest places. Think about the pressure on the Economic Court in Kiev. Obey the law or the Government?

    Just imagine all the other lease deals that are in partial default in Ukraine. It might be difficult for the creditor to get his possessions back in this case but imagine the same was to happen to Ukrainian aircraft around the world, what embarrassment if they were seized, maybe even leaving Poro and his entourage stranded somewhere.

    The Kiev metro may grind to a halt after losing part of its rolling stock due to an unpaid debt to a Russian company, Kiev’s deputy mayor Ilya Sagaidak wrote on Facebook.

    "Ukrroslizing LLC, which is owned by entities controlled by Russia’s Vnesheconombank, appealed to the Economic Court of Kiev demanding the recovery of the debt owed to it by the Kiev subway under the lease agreement, termination of the contract and return of the leased cars,” Sagaidak wrote. “This could effectively stop the operation of the Kiev Metro," he added.

    The Economic Court sustained the Russian company’s claim to collect the debt, terminate the contract and repossess the property. The Kiev metro is no longer allowed to use the leased cars. The Kiev metro received 100 cars under a 2009 deal with Ukrroslizing, but has failed to pay for their lease in full and still owes over $18 million. The metro’s previous management then signed an additional agreement with Ukrroslizing. As a result, the overall debt has since grown almost three times.

    The Kiev metro has appealed the court’s ruling and “our entire rolling stock is now at work,” the metro’s media spokeswoman Natalya Makogon told RIA Novosti.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160520/1039951085/kiev-metro-debt.html#ixzz49Ba81JRx
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 20, 2016 6:28 pm

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    Post  franco Fri May 20, 2016 6:47 pm

    You realize that article is from 2013, pre-Maidan even.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 20, 2016 7:13 pm


    Yup, fixed, sorry did not read in detail
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    Post  Vann7 Fri May 20, 2016 7:21 pm

    In more news..Jamala Busted.   Smile

    Poroshneko himself exposed her own singer Jamala re-using an old
    song for the Eurovision contest. He didn't knew clearly it was another breach of the rules.  Cool



    So now we know the song not only was political ,breaching the rules , but also Jamala can be sued for plagiarism for re-using an old song and later claim it was new.  lol1  what she did can be taken to a court , easily , and even if she is not disqualify ,the shame that the organizers will
    need to deal are too much. Jamala and Eurovision will make headlines for cheating and fraud and not for any artistic skills.  What is funny is to see Poroshenko himself exposing the fraud about
    the song being old folk song of the tatars ,not new song like Eurovision demands.  lol1

    So many a new song to counter Jamala.. could
    sayd..

    They lie to you ,they cheat to you ,later they claim they are not guilty . Laughing
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    Post  JohninMK Fri May 20, 2016 8:40 pm

    All part of the building of Ukraine's Government's new reputation of cheaters and fraudsters. The adjective bankrupt comes next down the line to join them.
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    Post  franco Fri May 20, 2016 8:54 pm

    19:25 Interfax
    Poroshenko: No military way to return Donbas under Ukraine's sovereignty cry

    Suspect

    But yet he continues to try or pretends to dunno
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    Post  medo Fri May 20, 2016 11:14 pm



    It seems there is nothing left to steal from people, so now 404 army and also hard core nazi guards are selling their armament to Novorussian army for a change to get some money. I think it will not last long, when they will start selling their armament for alcohol, cigarettes, food, water, fuel, etc. I wonder, how many vehicles they sold to Novorussian army in this year time of cease fire, which are most probably still counted in military strength of 404 army and nazi guards, but are now in reality in Novorussian army. Even if Novorussian army use them only as source of spare parts it is of a good use for them.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri May 20, 2016 11:33 pm

    I wouldn't have said anything just yet till after it was stopped. Now it may garnish attention. This would have been a great and cheap way for Novorussian forces get excess gear and even spare parts.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri May 20, 2016 11:39 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I wouldn't have said anything just yet till after it was stopped.  Now it may garnish attention.  This would have been a great and cheap way for Novorussian forces get excess gear and even spare parts.
    As we discussed before about a bounty scheme in place, it looks like there may have been one in operation for a while. Money to be made all the way up the chain of command.
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    Post  Ispan Sat May 21, 2016 10:31 am


    #Breaking Current comparison between #Ukraine & #Donbas > weapons & soldiers

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    Post  sepheronx Sat May 21, 2016 10:42 am

    35,000 for Donbass? Umm I think there are far more than that.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sat May 21, 2016 10:59 am

    sepheronx wrote:35,000 for Donbass? Umm I think there are far more than that.

    Based on what?
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    Post  sepheronx Sat May 21, 2016 11:57 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:35,000 for Donbass? Umm I think there are far more than that.

    Based on what?

    I believe Franco has more info. + they recently had recruitment that was posted here a while ago. And judging from previous comments since last year as well, that 35,000 seems to be the same number then as well. You cant tell me they just operate by that many, even though there was requirements as well?
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    Post  franco Sat May 21, 2016 2:58 pm

    The best that I can ascertain is that there are;
    ~33-35,000 full time regulars
    ~9-10,000 part time
    ~25-35,000 reservist

    Their biggest limitations in recruiting more was lack of equipment last year. They had planned to recruit a total force of 100,000 but found that 70-75,000 was all they could equip.
    And they did report a couple of months back that they had recruited 6,000 in the first 3 months of the year. Question is how many did they need to replace?
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    Post  medo Sat May 21, 2016 3:38 pm

    Ispan wrote:
    #Breaking Current comparison between #Ukraine & #Donbas > weapons & soldiers

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    There is a mistake with large caliber MLRSs. Novorussian have captured both Uragan and Smerch MLRSs and they used them in combat last year. Novorussian army used Smerch MLRS against Ukrainian command positions in Slavyansk airfield. Writing 0 for heavy MLRSs is a mistake and an important mistake, because Novorussian army have them. Not many, but they have them.

    I also doubt Ukraine have 800 operational tanks. I would say 500 tanks are max for operational tanks. Others in their reserves are more or less cannibalized for spare parts.

    There is a real question if Ukraine actually have 2000 to 2500 guns and howitzers. Maybe they count mortars of all calibers here as well, but in that case, there is a good question, how many mortars have Novorussian army and could be the number on Novorussian side higher than that given here.

    I would say numerically Novorussian army have similar number of soldiers around 100.000,when fully mobilize their reserves. And considering, that in heavy armament, they are not that far behind Ukrainian army and when we think about quality, I would not be that much surprised, if Novorussian equipment is better maintained than Ukrainian one, I think Novorussian army actually have the same power on the front as Ukrainian army.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sat May 21, 2016 3:39 pm

    franco wrote:The best that I can ascertain is that there are;
    ~33-35,000 full time regulars
    ~9-10,000 part time
    ~25-35,000 reservist

    That sounds realistic.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat May 21, 2016 3:52 pm

    Another of Poro's cans kicked further down the road

    Ukrainians are not likely to enjoy visa-free travel to the EU any time soon after French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said Friday that the timing was not right, Europe Online reported. "This subject cannot be dealt with in the coming weeks and months. That is not the wish of France," Cazeneuve said when meeting with his EU colleagues in Brussels.

    The European Commission has urged member states to lift visa requirements on the three countries, as they have met all the bloc's benchmarks.

    The reforms laid out by the European Commission provide for a snap-back mechanism that would apply to any country granted visa-free access, allowing the benefit to be suspended for six months in case any problems arise. To take effect the proposal requires the approval of the European Parliament.

    German Interior Minister Thomas De Maiziere said during Friday’s meeting that no new visa liberalization decisions should be taken before the snap-back mechanism is in place.

    Georgia and Kosovo are also hoping to be granted visa-free access to Europe in the coming months.

    The French ambassador to Russia, Jean-Maurice Ripert, earlier said that France was ready to lift visa restrictions with Russia as there was no risk of any big migrant flows from this country. But France cannot do this alone as the move “requires the approval of all members of the Schengen Protocol,” the ambassador added.


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    Post  Guest Sat May 21, 2016 4:22 pm

    500 tanks in Novorossian Army? Beyond doubtful. Havent we just few months ago had one of their officials saying how they have 126 operational tanks?

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