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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:33 am

    The boss is in town today. No doubt some grovelling went on.

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland will make a stop in Ukraine today to discuss with senior officials and party leaders the country’s reforms and the implementation of the Minsk accords, the US Department of State announced in a statement on Monday.

    "On April 25, Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland will travel from Hannover, Germany, to Kiev, Ukraine, to meet with senior Ukrainian government officials, political party leaders, Rada members, and civil society representatives," the statement said. "[Nuland would] discuss a range of bilateral and regional issues, including reform priorities and Minsk implementation."

    Nuland’s visit to Kiev comes as Ukraine is undertaking a range of reforms, including anti-corruption measures, power decentralization and the reorganization of the national energy sector, in order to obtain the latest bailout package from the International Monetary Fund.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160425/1038572437/us-ukraine-nuland-reforms.html#ixzz46qghn2Ee
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:08 pm

    OK so that's never then

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — US President Barack Obama, along with leaders of the United Kingdom, France, Germany and Italy, have reiterated their intention to lift the sanctions imposed on Russia upon the country’s full implementation of the Minsk accords to settle the conflict in eastern Ukraine, the White House said in a press release on Monday.

    "There was agreement that full implementation of the Minsk agreements remained crucial," the White House stated. "The leaders reiterated that sanctions against Russia would be lifted if the Minsk agreements were fully implemented."

    The Western leaders also reiterated rejection of Russia’s "attempted annexation" of Crimea.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160425/1038594142/us-obama-russia-sanctions.html#ixzz46s3U9atG
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:21 pm

    Azov's clip about their own vandalism in Lymanske and the reactions of local villagers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjwPVUrgZFA

    Can anybody translate ?
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    Post  Project Canada Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:13 am

    Russia grants Ukraine's request to delay Eurobond case defense

    now why would they do that?? Question
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:00 am

    Project Canada wrote:Russia grants Ukraine's request to delay Eurobond case defense

    now why would they do that?? Question

    Because they can use it as a bait and fuck up any IMF restructuring biz through it. If the case gets adjudicated and regardless if Russia wins it, Ukraine will be fixed and can simply borrow more to pay, so no more "leverage" for Russia.

    It's one of those cases where it's better to wait for it rather than win and take the thorn out of the flank of your enemy. For the rest, Ukraine has stopped trade with Russia and according to their own data that's 100% of current GDP...Bascally Ukraine/Russia trade is vital.

    The volume of trade with the Russian Federation, formerly the largest trading partner [of Ukraine], declined gradually since 2012 (from 24.3% of total trade in 2012 to 12.7% in 2015), mainly due to the introduction of illegal and discriminatory trade restrictions, and the loss of trade for Ukraine amounted to about $98 billion," the ministry said in a report devoted to the revision of the Ukrainian trade policy within the World Trade Organization (WTO).

    For all the Polish guys out there, look at this and despair for that the Polish German relationship is similar if not carbon copy.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:57 am

    From today's DNR update. Spreading disinformation?

    Besides, recently our intelligence has been registering withdrawal of the AFU units and their replacement with the Ukrainian nationalists in the Mariupol, Donetsk and Gorlovka directions recently. In particular, instead of the 57th and 58th units of separate motorised infantry brigades, 14th and 72th separate mechanized brigades near the localities of Dzerzhinsk, Granitnoye, Slavnoye, Netailovo, Nevelskoye and in the buffer zone under Mariupol there is concentrated personnel of the units of The Aidar, The Azov and The Right Sector. The official version is the low moral and psychological level of the Ukrainian military personnel, fatigue from constant tension in the conflict zone. According to our data, the concentration of nationalists along the contact line takes place to the purpose of their subsequent elimination because of the specified forces of the Ukrainian army being out of control and totally unpredictable. It is indicated by a number of the incontestable facts received by our intelligence.
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    Post  Ispan Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:19 pm

    JohninMK wrote:From today's DNR update. Spreading disinformation?

    [i]Besides, recently our intelligence has been registering withdrawal of the AFU units and their replacement with the Ukrainian nationalists in the Mariupol, Donetsk and Gorlovka directions recently.

    The official version is the low moral and psychological level of the Ukrainian military personnel, fatigue from constant tension in the conflict zone

    I have been out of the loop for the past week and I need to be updated, but this makes sense. Seems the Ukrops ran out of troops from Western Ukraine and are resorting to recruits from Central and Eastern Ukraine wich are not eager to fight. In general, as it happens at this stage, recruits only strive to survivet. It seems based on the reports from the fighting that they are withdrawing units worn out after weeks of combats and replacing them with more motivated radicals with the aim of getting rid of them as well.

    Though it's true that given the poverty in Ukraine there are quite a lot of desperate enough people that enlist for money, I interpret the real reason of Poroshenko statement that they are not calling a seventh draft is not that they have enough contract soldiers to not need conscripts, but rather, that they would face unrest if they called up another levy, and that the performance of the reluctant conscripts it's so low that the junta has finally realized that quantity it's not substitute for quality.

    Still, they are short of troops and that's why they are pushing the nationalists into the frontline and resorting to mercenaries.
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:14 am

    This morning ukrops fired at the Elenovka checkpoint killing four civilians and wounding six. Possibly a fifth civilian has died since initial reports, but unconfirmed at this time. ukrops shelling also extended to nearby houses and infrastructure. http://dnr-news.com/dnr/32106-4-mirnyh-zhitelya-6-raneny-v-rezultate-obstrela-vsu-kpp-v-elenovke.html

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    Post  Rodinazombie Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:18 am

    Khepesh wrote:This morning ukrops fired at the Elenovka checkpoint killing four civilians and wounding six. Possibly a fifth civilian has died since initial reports, but unconfirmed at this time. ukrops shelling also extended to nearby houses and infrastructure. http://dnr-news.com/dnr/32106-4-mirnyh-zhitelya-6-raneny-v-rezultate-obstrela-vsu-kpp-v-elenovke.html

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    One of the women inside the car was pregnant.
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:32 am

    Zakharchenko went to visit the scene at Elenovka and expected to meet with OSCE there, but those shits never turned up, never even had the decency to call him and give any excuse not to investigate. Hug and the rest of his fucks should be arrested as agents of enemies of the people of DNR, and fuck what the "partners" and their apologists say....

    Edit: Deaths remain at 4 but number of wounded is now 8, and Elenovka is without any power.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:06 am

    Khepesh wrote:Zakharchenko went to visit the scene at Elenovka and expected to meet with OSCE there, but those shits never turned up, never even had the decency to call him and give any excuse not to investigate. Hug and the rest of his fucks should be arrested as agents of enemies of the people of DNR, and fuck what the "partners" and their apologists say....

    Edit: Deaths remain at 4 but number of wounded is now 8, and Elenovka is without any power.

    Surprise surprise that the osce have managed to not see another one. You can be sure the next time givi passes wind in the general direction of the ukies that they will be all over it like a shot.

    This is another stark reminder of the utter failure of minsk for the ordinary people near the front. Minsk may be working very nicely for the people in nice halls of power with big desks but for the people its completely unnacceptable.
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:25 am

    ^ From the direct statements from Zakharchenko, and reading between the lines, it seems he may have ripped into them severely. It is reported that OSCE have now arrived at Elenovka.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:37 am

    Khepesh wrote:Zakharchenko went to visit the scene at Elenovka and expected to meet with OSCE there, but those shits never turned up, never even had the decency to call him and give any excuse not to investigate. Hug and the rest of his fucks should be arrested as agents of enemies of the people of DNR, and fuck what the "partners" and their apologists say....

    Edit: Deaths remain at 4 but number of wounded is now 8, and Elenovka is without any power.

    There is no hope for them. Russia is too weak to help.
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:27 am

    Video of the scene before the victims bodies were removed. 18+
    Those responsible are known, and Zakharchenko has told Kiev to prepare coffins as the ukrops battery will all be killed.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:56 am

    Khepesh wrote:
    Those responsible are known, and Zakharchenko has told Kiev to prepare coffins as the ukrops battery will all be killed.
    Won't happen. The DPR has to adhere the Minsk agreement.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:59 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Zakharchenko went to visit the scene at Elenovka and expected to meet with OSCE there, but those shits never turned up, never even had the decency to call him and give any excuse not to investigate. Hug and the rest of his fucks should be arrested as agents of enemies of the people of DNR, and fuck what the "partners" and their apologists say....

    Edit: Deaths remain at 4 but number of wounded is now 8, and Elenovka is without any power.

    There is no hope for them. Russia is too weak to help.

    Yeah, OK Ultron Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:01 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Zakharchenko went to visit the scene at Elenovka and expected to meet with OSCE there, but those shits never turned up, never even had the decency to call him and give any excuse not to investigate. Hug and the rest of his fucks should be arrested as agents of enemies of the people of DNR, and fuck what the "partners" and their apologists say....

    Edit: Deaths remain at 4 but number of wounded is now 8, and Elenovka is without any power.

    There is no hope for them. Russia is too weak to help.

    Yeah, OK Ultron Rolling Eyes
    He is a different person than me.

    And do you seriously think the DPR will go for an offensive or punish those criminals responsible for murdering civilians? No. Zakharchenko will speak some harsh words and then it will be forgotten, until Kiev commits the next massacre of civilians. The West naturally ignores it. So does the OSCE. And unfortunately so does Russia.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:06 am

    Russia has not raised any international arrest warrants for the known war criminals of Ukraine. That is the least that Russia could do.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:18 am

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    Post  auslander Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:56 am

    Khepesh wrote:^ From the direct statements from Zakharchenko, and reading between the lines, it seems he may have ripped into them severely. It is reported that OSCE have now arrived at Elenovka.

    Hug has made it patently clear in the last days his mission statement and that is to support the orcs. Can't be any more clear than what he said. They have a long track record in Novorossiya of openly assisting the orcs including planting arty targeting beacons. Today they do have a valid excuse, it was raining.
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:29 am

    auslander wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:^ From the direct statements from Zakharchenko, and reading between the lines, it seems he may have ripped into them severely. It is reported that OSCE have now arrived at Elenovka.

    Hug has made it patently clear in the last days his mission statement and that is to support the orcs. Can't be any more clear than what he said. They have a long track record in Novorossiya of openly assisting the orcs including planting arty targeting beacons. Today they do have a valid excuse, it was raining.
    IMO, these OSCE and similar types are unproductive scum who probably never got their hands dirty in their lives, who spend their time at seminars and social functions drinking cocktails and flapping their jaws talking in the contorted language of the severe mental disease called "political correctness". Put these worthless scum in a trench with an AK in their hands, or simply in a factory having to work and get dirty, and they will collapse. "Golden pheasants" is far too polite a description of them. Remember the way Hug looks and acts when confronted by real people in Donbass, like the babushka at Zaitsevo the other week. After meeting her he probably had himself disinfected in case he got contaminated by "peasants". One day these "Golden pheasants" will get plucked, or something that sounds similar......... The Situation in the Ukraine. #24 - Page 22 356119aa0c6d
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:03 am

    Khepesh wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:^ From the direct statements from Zakharchenko, and reading between the lines, it seems he may have ripped into them severely. It is reported that OSCE have now arrived at Elenovka.

    Hug has made it patently clear in the last days his mission statement and that is to support the orcs. Can't be any more clear than what he said. They have a long track record in Novorossiya of openly assisting the orcs including planting arty targeting beacons. Today they do have a valid excuse, it was raining.
    IMO, these OSCE and similar types are unproductive scum who probably never got their hands dirty in their lives, who spend their time at seminars and social functions drinking cocktails and flapping their jaws talking in the contorted language of the severe mental disease called "political correctness". Put these worthless scum in a trench with an AK in their hands, or simply in a factory having to work and get dirty, and they will collapse. "Golden pheasants" is far too polite a description of them. Remember the way Hug looks and acts when confronted by real people in Donbass, like the babushka at Zaitsevo the other week. After meeting her he probably had himself disinfected in case he got contaminated by "peasants". One day these "Golden pheasants" will get plucked, or something that sounds similar......... The Situation in the Ukraine. #24 - Page 22 356119aa0c6d
    But since Russia has decided to work with their OSCE partners the DPR will have to bear with them.
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    Post  ultron Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:08 am

    Had Putin sent police to help out Yanu in February 2014, all of these deaths could have been avoided, and there would be no American bases in Ukraine today. What happened cannot be undone. Time cannot be reverted. It is sad story to see Eastern Slavs at each other's throats, in particular, Ukrainians helping Americans kill Russians.
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    Post  auslander Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:12 am

    Khepesh wrote: IMO, these OSCE and similar types are unproductive scum who probably never got their hands dirty in their lives, who spend their time at seminars and social functions drinking cocktails and flapping their jaws talking in the contorted language of the severe mental disease called "political correctness". Put these worthless scum in a trench with an AK in their hands, or simply in a factory having to work and get dirty, and they will collapse. "Golden pheasants" is far too polite a description of them. Remember the way Hug looks and acts when confronted by real people in Donbass, like the babushka at Zaitsevo the other week. After meeting her he probably had himself disinfected in case he got contaminated by "peasants". One day these "Golden pheasants" will get plucked, or something that sounds similar......... The Situation in the Ukraine. #24 - Page 22 356119aa0c6d

    I agree, totally useless oxygen thieves they be. I would think Hug demands extra compensation for being separated from his boyfriend for days and the rest of the 'men' are withdrawn from 'the lines' when they are close to their periods.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:57 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:
    Those responsible are known, and Zakharchenko has told Kiev to prepare coffins as the ukrops battery will all be killed.
    Won't happen. The DPR has to adhere the Minsk agreement.

    Except that there is counter-fire from the DPR against Ukrops.

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