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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:11 pm

    Pretty much Ukraine  IS doomed..

    Five European countries block Ukraine’s path to EU membership — newspaper


    http://tass.ru/en/world/866689

    And not just any regular European nations but France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Austria .pretty much the major economies in Europe oppose Ukraine joining the EU..  Laughing

    So the whole Euromaidan revolution was good for nothing. It was for the start of the disbanding
    of Ukraine into pieces. and Crimea ,Lugansk and Donetsk are just the start.

    The interesting part here is what Europe ,the countries who oppose Ukraine joining EU told.
    Is that ukraine have been historically close to Russia ,that they even share the same origins
    ,they both started in Kiev. and that for Ukraine to join the European Union it needs to have
    good relations with Russia.  Shocked

    So basically the European Union ,the major economies there , is telling kiev ,that it needs
    to restore relations with Russia ,accept the Crimea lost and return to minsk-2 if it wants a
    chance to get in Europe. They even are suggesting that Ukraine should consider integration
    with Russia.  Shocked  (with the kiev historical reference)

    So basically Europe is hinting Russia and Ukraine that both needs to be together again . means Russia should not only take Crimea but all Ukraine too. Europeans are  really tired of Ukrainians and they now all see the light that is better that Russia carry the burden of feeding Ukrainians and not them.  Wink


    About Misnk-2 remember that as long Europeans still demand it, its alive. Its a Roadmap that needs to be implemented . there is not a timeline for it.. so people cannot talk about "failure".
    As long Europe continues backing it.

    I really think that kiev is simply following orders of the White House and or Pentagon. and the money Ukraine receive to continue the war , is done more than anything because the pentagon
    wants to see what kind of weapons Russian army will use and what tactics etc. in other words.
    The pentagon is using the lives of Ukrainians and foreign mercenaries and providing them more heavier weapons, to really see how Russia Army fights ,this will truly helps the Pentagon understand more than a million of NATO exercizes ,how to better prepare to fight Russia armed
    forces.

    So this is a major threat to Russia nation security. Because it is feeding information to the enemy of the capabilities it have. This means that Russia Government needs to help Donetsk and Lugansk fight kiev terror forces, and keep at the lowest level possible ,their technology
    and tactics. to not provide too much information that later could help the Pentagon to better prepare to fight them.  

    How this all will end? after the voting of Europe rejecting Ukraine and even suggesting
    them to Unite with Russia again. possibilities that could happen if kiev continues with the war.

    What is 100% clear for me. is that Europe position in Ukraine is not the same of the Americans
    they dont want the war to continue and they ready to capitulate with Russia. and already hinting
    that Ukraine and Russia should be one nation again.  (Which Russia should avoid like hell).
    At best Ukraine should be split in two parts ,between pro Russia and pro Europe and the new pro Russia part become a new  independent nation with close relations to Russia. While western Ukraine become a puppet of Americans ,baltics and Poland.

    Possibilities. of what could happen in near future..
    1)Major assasinations in Kiev ,done by the EU ,a counter Revolution by the EU
    against American puppet government . Or it can be done without violence and just by bribing
    them.

    2)Unrest in other cities ,demanding the government to step down. Disbanding Ukraine.

    3) That kiev forces with Americans help push forward with the hostilities against eastern
    Ukraine forcing Russia to fire across the border at kiev positions. to push them back.

    4)More false flags events.. where hundreds civilians killed and blamed on Russia.

    5)That Americans simply allow ukraine to disband , only to create a major refugee
    problem for Russia and Europe and damage their economies. the samsom option ,if it not mine will not be of anyone.

    6)That Obama  do the unthinkable and actually help Ukraine to end its war and reverse
    the coup that their own government created and return Ukraine to a democratic state.
    and return Ukraine laws and constitution to 2013 ,when Pro Russians factions had the control of kiev and the right sector forced to flee the country its major members. This of course could only happen only under a major pressure of Europe on US . threatening to lift sanctions on Russia and create an economic zone with Russia.. just quickexamples of how to pressure american government..


    In any case ,no matter what happens , time is on the side of Russia. and not on the side
    of Kiev. So the more the conflict is frozen ,delayed , the more likely Ukraine will capitulate
    for being out of money to continue the war and with no more support to continue the war.


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    Post  Khepesh Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:36 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    2)Unrest in other cities
    "Battle" of Rovno this morning when amber miners fought police
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    Post  Godric Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:03 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:No ammo shortage around here. Spray and pray.


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    Avdiivka, industrial zone. UAF have gone full FSA with their shooting

    https://twitter.com/bm27_uragan/status/715901772712308736



    Youtube video

    seriously who the heck were those dumb Hahols trying to shoot?

    2 years on and they still haven't learned a thing

    you have a better chance of training a Ape to sing than you have training a HaHol how learn modern combat techniques and strategy ffs

    and long may it continue Laughing
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:14 pm

    Ukrainian army is poor - really goddamn poor. It's really the most underfunded armed force in Europe and what was neglected for 20 years can't be repaired in 2. They at least fire in the same direction.

    IT would be nice if someone put a general outline of what exactly makes up the "Ukrainian army" now - the fighting in 2014-15 swallowed up a huge part of Ukro manpower, including the best elements of (lower) officer corps, professional NGOs and enlisted personel... Any more details, Khepash & Co?
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:55 pm

    Godric wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:No ammo shortage around here. Spray and pray.


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    Avdiivka, industrial zone. UAF have gone full FSA with their shooting

    https://twitter.com/bm27_uragan/status/715901772712308736


    seriously who the heck were those dumb Hahols trying to shoot?

    2 years on and they still haven't learned a thing

    you have a better chance of training a Ape to sing than you have training a HaHol how learn modern combat techniques and strategy ffs

    and long may it continue Laughing
    I suppose it is their strategy so that the don't get hit by a sniper. Don't put your head over the parapet.
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    Post  Khepesh Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:57 am

    Ukrops have fired Grad in the area of Pervomaisk http://dnr-news.com/dnr/31363-nm-lnr-kievskie-siloviki-obstrelyali-territoriyu-lnr-iz-ustanovok-rszo-grad.html
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:03 pm

    Now the 6th richest oligarch in Ukraine, here comes the figures that show he leads a careful and frugal life   Smile

    Mind you, there is apparently going to be an exposure of his foreign assets on the TV tomorrow.

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has declared UAH 62.163 million in income for 2015, while his wage last year totaled UAH 121,054, according to his declaration of income, expenses and financial liabilities. According to the declaration, posted on the website of the president, Poroshenko's income in the form of dividends and interest totaled UAH 12.375 million, income from the alienation of securities and corporate rights UAH 1,000, other revenues UAH 49.665 million.

    The sum on his bank accounts is UAH 563.730 million, contributions to the charter capital of enterprises UAH 38.209 million, in particular those made in 2015 some UAH 1.476 million.

    The head of state owns (leases) six land plots (1,000 square meters, 1,200 square meters, 5,169 square meters, 6,315 square meters, 7,511 square meters, 33,169 square meters). His property includes three apartments of 68.2 square meters, 82.15 square meters and 134.06 square meters, and a house (1,332 square meters).
    Poroshenko owns or rents the following vehicles: a Mercedes-Benz Vito (2010), a BMW 750 LI 4 (2011) and a Range Rover (2011), as well as a Bayliner 185 BR boat.


    But then Roshen is a diligent taxpayer!


    ROSHEN Confectionery Corporation is one of the largest taxpayers in Ukraine.

    The total amount of taxes paid by the budget of Ukraine in 2015 amounted to UAH 1,337,212,375. Among them, state taxes and fees: UAH 1,054,722,420, taxes and fees to local budgets: UAH 110,956820, single social contribution: UAH 171,533,135.
    "Our corporation is a diligent taxpayer. We regularly pay taxes, fees and other mandatory payments to the budget, local budgets and social funds of Ukraine," said Natalia Panova, Head of Public Relations and Communications. "The numbers speak for themselves. For example, in 2015, the businesses within the group of companies ROSHEN registered in Kyiv alone, transferred taxes and fees to the local budget in the amount of UAH 53,763,385. Other companies of ROSHEN transferred to local budgets of Vinnytsia, Kremenchuk and Yahotyn a total of UAH 57,193,435."


    Lots more detail at http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-release/334861.html
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    Post  Neutrality Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:22 pm

    Armenians claim they have shot down a helicopter, UAV and destroyed a tank. There's also a link to a NKR-owned website which has an image of the shotdown UAV but I can't reach it.
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    Post  Khepesh Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:59 pm

    Yasinovataya blockpost yesterday, intense
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:48 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Yasinovataya blockpost yesterday, intense

    Are they trying to separate the two Republics and cut the road that connects them??


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    Post  Khepesh Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:22 pm

    ^
    They would like to, but all they can do is make the journey a bit longer. There is an alternate route bypassing the Yasinovataya interchange by going thro Yasinovataya itself by minor roads from Donetsk and then rejoin the highway to east of Yasinovataya. Without being able to read minds in Kiev, I suggest that the only reason for the sporadic attacks at Krasny Partizan is to hope to cut the road there, or to deny it's normal use by bombarding it, and this would cause a much longer diversion. It's also possible that the bombardments of Mineralnoe may have been to frighten civilians from driving thru as it is the main short cut around the blockpost, also VSN positions. Generally ukrops are trying to push forward bit by bit so they can try and claim some sort of "victory". The area of the blockpost is also on high ground and if it were lost then for tactical reasons it would not be so good. Also, if ukrops held the area of the blockpost it would make an assault into Donetsk a bit easier in the opening phase. But it isn't just the blockpost, it's the entire stretch of road all the way down to Spartak that they would like to take, then, if there were no fighting, a ten minute drive into central Donetsk.

    rant mode on. Leaving ukrops so close to Donetsk and Gorlovka was a major failure of Minsk and made for political reasons, not military, and we see the consequences. The Debaltsevo operation was to rectify part of the failure of Minsk, but more needs doing.... rant mode off
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    Post  Godric Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:No ammo shortage around here. Spray and pray.


    BM-27 Uragan
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    Avdiivka, industrial zone. UAF have gone full FSA with their shooting

    https://twitter.com/bm27_uragan/status/715901772712308736


    seriously who the heck were those dumb Hahols trying to shoot?

    2 years on and they still haven't learned a thing

    you have a better chance of training a Ape to sing than you have training a HaHol how learn modern combat techniques and strategy ffs

    and long may it continue Laughing
    I suppose it is their strategy so that the don't get hit by a sniper. Don't put your head over the parapet.

    I have never held a gun in my life but even I know that is not how you fight ... the minute you go to the front and pick up a gun ... your life is no longer yours ... your their to kill the enemy ... not make him die laughing at your incompetence ... the fact that they filmed it goes to show how retarded these clowns are
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:45 pm

    The numbers are getting pretty large when viewed over time


    Most of the $44 billion and about €17 billion Ukraine has received from international financial organizations since it gained independence in 1992 have been squandered due to flawed laws, corruption and lack of political will to implement much-needed reforms, Ukrainska Pravda newspaper wrote. “Kiev diligently signed off on all kinds of cooperation programs with the IMF but never kept its promise to carry out the reforms,” the newspaper emphasized.

    With $29.5 billion already disbursed, the International Monetary Fund tops the list of Ukraine’s foreign lenders. The EU is in second place with 12 billion euros worth of loans and grants made available to Kiev. The World Bank brings up the top-three rear with around 12 billion dollars already lined up, Ukrainska Pravda wrote, describing Kiev’s relations with its international creditors as “fairly tense.”

    The newspaper mentioned Ukraine’s sovereign debts also to Japan, the US and other countries, but failed to mention the $3 billion Kiev was supposed to have returned to Russia back in December 2015 as part of a 2013 loan.

    IMF officials have grown increasingly concerned that the financial assistance to Kiev would be squandered or stolen by corrupt officials."

    The economic situation in Ukraine has been looking down since President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in February 2014.

    The International Monetary Fund then decided to disburse $17.5 billion as part of a four-year financial bailout plan for Kiev. The initial $5 billion instalment came in March 2015, the second, $1.7 billion one arrived in August 2015. A third tranche of assistance has been held up since October because IMF officials have grown increasingly concerned over the ongoing political instability in Ukraine and fear that the financial assistance would be squandered or stolen by corrupt officials.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160403/1037412333/ukraine-debt-lenders.html#ixzz44lbvjoff
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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:21 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The numbers are getting pretty large when viewed over time


    Most of the $44 billion and about €17 billion Ukraine has received from international financial organizations since it gained independence in 1992 have been squandered due to flawed laws, corruption and lack of political will to implement much-needed reforms, Ukrainska Pravda newspaper wrote. “Kiev diligently signed off on all kinds of cooperation programs with the IMF but never kept its promise to carry out the reforms,” the newspaper emphasized.

    With $29.5 billion already disbursed, the International Monetary Fund tops the list of Ukraine’s foreign lenders. The EU is in second place with 12 billion euros worth of loans and grants made available to Kiev. The World Bank brings up the top-three rear with around 12 billion dollars already lined up, Ukrainska Pravda wrote, describing Kiev’s relations with its international creditors as “fairly tense.”

    The newspaper mentioned Ukraine’s sovereign debts also to Japan, the US and other countries, but failed to mention the $3 billion Kiev was supposed to have returned to Russia back in December 2015 as part of a 2013 loan.

    IMF officials have grown increasingly concerned that the financial assistance to Kiev would be squandered or stolen by corrupt officials."

    The economic situation in Ukraine has been looking down since President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted in February 2014.

    The International Monetary Fund then decided to disburse $17.5 billion as part of a four-year financial bailout plan for Kiev. The initial $5 billion instalment came in March 2015, the second, $1.7 billion one arrived in August 2015. A third tranche of assistance has been held up since October because IMF officials have grown increasingly concerned over the ongoing political instability in Ukraine and fear that the financial assistance would be squandered or stolen by corrupt officials.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160403/1037412333/ukraine-debt-lenders.html#ixzz44lbvjoff

    Good to see NATzO paying for its minions. Russia needs to make sure that it never subsidizes this 404 toilet ever again.
    This way NATzO will have to spend ongoing trillions for the coming decades to keep this failed state afloat.
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    Post  franco Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:40 pm

    https://translate.yandex.ru/translate?lang=ru-en&ui=None&dir=&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftopwar.ru%2F92986-za-chto-ubili-alekseya-mozgovogo-itogi-rassledovaniya.html

    Article on the possible reason for the death of Alexey Mozgovy, interested to hear Khepesh's take.
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:34 pm

    ^
    I was already familiar with this and am in general agreement, but the entire affair is "difficult". Today would have been his 41 birthday.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:11 pm

    Khepesh wrote:^
    I was already familiar with this and am in general agreement, but the entire affair is "difficult". Today would have been his 41 birthday.


    I hate to be so dense, but is it saying they feared he would take over LNR, with help of Kiev government? for some Oligarch or Kiev government as a Nationalist Party?
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:16 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:

    I hate to be so dense, but is it saying they feared he would take over LNR, with help of Kiev government? for some Oligarch or Kiev government as a Nationalist Party?
    No, not being dense as it is sort of complicated. To avoid making a long and boring political post I will simplify the main points. Mozgovoi did not like the oligarchs or their politcal servants, we all know that, and he believed that power should be with the people, and that the people should not be forced into war with each other. His video-conferences with ukrops commanders was to circumvent the oligarch/politicians and speak man to man with them in order to try to get them to understand that they were being used. This was incorrectly seen as "treason" by some. He also registered a political party in Kiev, not as "treason" but as a means of unification, of being pan Ukrainian for the ordinary people. His error was in naivety, as such views are hated by the "elites". Ishchenko and Dremov had similar views, and to an extent so did Bednov. They were murdered because they went against the "elites". Considering the history since 1917, there is an analogy with "Animal farm" in that the "elites", no matter their origins, will always be the "elites" and the people just cattle, even if they have the latest electronic devices etc. Panem et circenses was not something that Mozgovoi liked.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:19 pm

    The stuff promised on Poro's financial dealings is out but only as part of a general announcement. When I find more I will add it.

    This is the result of a huge info dump by journalists investigating a specialist company in Panama. Going to cause a lot of embarrassment.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-03/unprecedented-leak-exposes-criminal-financial-dealings-some-worlds-wealthiest-people
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:49 pm

    Ukrainian entrepreneurs had hoped that the free trade agreement between Ukraine and EU would give them new opportunities and open European markets to them. However, the expected export recovery has not yet taken place, German newspaper Wirtschaftswoche reported.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160403/1037423582/free-trade-myth.html#ixzz44na4Jm8R
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The stuff promised on Poro's financial dealings is out but only as part of a general announcement. When I find more I will add it.

    This is the result of a huge info dump by journalists investigating a specialist company in Panama. Going to cause a lot of embarrassment.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-03/unprecedented-leak-exposes-criminal-financial-dealings-some-worlds-wealthiest-people

    Very big article at link, sounds like normal for Ukraine, only a possible problem in a proper country.

    When Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko ran for the top office in 2014, he promised voters he would sell Roshen, Ukraine’s largest candy business, so he could devote his full attention to running the country.

    “If I get elected, I will wipe the slate clean and sell the Roshen concern. As President of Ukraine I plan and commit to focus exclusively on welfare of the nation,” Poroshenko told the German newspaper Bild less than two months before the election.

    Instead, actions by his financial advisers and Poroshenko himself, who is worth an estimated US$ 858 million, make it appear that the candy magnate was more concerned about his own welfare than his country’s – going so far as to arguably violate the law twice, misrepresent information and deprive his country of badly needed tax dollars during a time of war.

    Poroshenko’s action might be illegal on two counts: he started a new company while president and he did not report the company on his disclosure statements.


    https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/ukraine-poroshenko-offshore/
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:10 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The stuff promised on Poro's financial dealings is out but only as part of a general announcement. When I find more I will add it.

    This is the result of a huge info dump by journalists investigating a specialist company in Panama. Going to cause a lot of embarrassment.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-03/unprecedented-leak-exposes-criminal-financial-dealings-some-worlds-wealthiest-people

    Very big article at link, sounds like normal for Ukraine, only a possible problem in a proper country.

    When Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko ran for the top office in 2014, he promised voters he would sell Roshen, Ukraine’s largest candy business, so he could devote his full attention to running the country.

    “If I get elected, I will wipe the slate clean and sell the Roshen concern. As President of Ukraine I plan and commit to focus exclusively on welfare of the nation,” Poroshenko told the German newspaper Bild less than two months before the election.

    Instead, actions by his financial advisers and Poroshenko himself, who is worth an estimated US$ 858 million, make it appear that the candy magnate was more concerned about his own welfare than his country’s – going so far as to arguably violate the law twice, misrepresent information and deprive his country of badly needed tax dollars during a time of war.

    Poroshenko’s action might be illegal on two counts: he started a new company while president and he did not report the company on his disclosure statements.


    https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/ukraine-poroshenko-offshore/

    OCCRP hitting on the protégé? What? As for the Off shore issue, nothing even remotely special. Half the revolutionary cabinet, including FinMin Shlapak were former IMG related staff and assets.

    before you ask...this is IMG: http://www.img.bm/ . Yeah an off-shore holding company in the Bermudas.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:01 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The stuff promised on Poro's financial dealings is out but only as part of a general announcement. When I find more I will add it.



    OCCRP hitting on the protégé? What? As for the Off shore issue, nothing even remotely special. Half the revolutionary cabinet, including FinMin Shlapak were former IMG related staff and assets.

    before you ask...this is IMG: http://www.img.bm/ . Yeah an off-shore holding company in the Bermudas.
    The interesting point about this report as far as Ukraine is concerned is why did they select Ukraine/Poro and not many of the other corrupt countries/guys? I thought he was supposed to be an asset of the West. Is he going to be thrown to the wolves?
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:01 am

    Khepesh wrote:
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    I hate to be so dense, but is it saying they feared he would take over LNR, with help of Kiev government? for some Oligarch or Kiev government as a Nationalist Party?
    No, not being dense as it is sort of complicated. To avoid making a long and boring political post I will simplify the main points. Mozgovoi did not like the oligarchs or their politcal servants, we all know that, and he believed that power should be with the people, and that the people should not be forced into war with each other. His video-conferences with ukrops commanders was to circumvent the oligarch/politicians and speak man to man with them in order to try to get them to understand that they were being used. This was incorrectly seen as "treason" by some. He also registered a political party in Kiev, not as "treason" but as a means of unification, of being pan Ukrainian for the ordinary people. His error was in naivety, as such views are hated by the "elites". Ishchenko and Dremov had similar views, and to an extent so did Bednov. They were murdered because they went against the "elites". Considering the history since 1917, there is an analogy with "Animal farm" in that the "elites", no matter their origins, will always be the "elites" and the people just cattle, even if they have the latest electronic devices etc. Panem et circenses was not something that Mozgovoi liked.

    Thank you, Khepesh. I thought that he was against the Oligarchs.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:03 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The stuff promised on Poro's financial dealings is out but only as part of a general announcement. When I find more I will add it.

    This is the result of a huge info dump by journalists investigating a specialist company in Panama. Going to cause a lot of embarrassment.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-03/unprecedented-leak-exposes-criminal-financial-dealings-some-worlds-wealthiest-people

    Very big article at link, sounds like normal for Ukraine, only a possible problem in a proper country.

    When Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko ran for the top office in 2014, he promised voters he would sell Roshen, Ukraine’s largest candy business, so he could devote his full attention to running the country.

    “If I get elected, I will wipe the slate clean and sell the Roshen concern. As President of Ukraine I plan and commit to focus exclusively on welfare of the nation,” Poroshenko told the German newspaper Bild less than two months before the election.

    Instead, actions by his financial advisers and Poroshenko himself, who is worth an estimated US$ 858 million, make it appear that the candy magnate was more concerned about his own welfare than his country’s – going so far as to arguably violate the law twice, misrepresent information and deprive his country of badly needed tax dollars during a time of war.

    Poroshenko’s action might be illegal on two counts: he started a new company while president and he did not report the company on his disclosure statements.


    https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/ukraine-poroshenko-offshore/

    I just got through reading this, re panama papers.

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