The Metel ASW missile was installed on all the Soviet era ASW orientated ships from the Krivak frigates, the Kresta2 and Kara Cruisers and even the original Kirov battle cruisers. These were all regarded as principal ships by the Soviet Navy. The "downgraded" Udaloy frigates are still considered to be princpal ships and will be armed as such.
I know... it was a big bulky weapon like the Australian Ikara missile, and was replaced in Russia use by torpedo tube launched SS-N-16s and then 91ER1/2.
The Udaloys had Metel, but lost them in this upgrade when UKSK launch tubes were added... there is no point keeping the Metel launchers because they are huge and the missile is obsolete.
The original Medvedka ASW missile was not widely adopted by the Soviet/Russian Navy - mainly due to the fall of the USSR and the terrible 90's, but it was intended for small patrol boats with limited displacement of around 350 tons. The Pr.p1141/11451 hydrofoils were used as test beds for the missile.
I know this... I am saying if it was still to be used as an anti sub ship as its primary role then it would not make sense to fit the big bulky Metel because it is obsolete and takes up too much room.
If its primary use is for anti sub use then Uran is useless... Medvedka is intended for small ships because it is a light and compact missile system intended for smaller vessels.
Uran is a small missile intended for smaller vessels too so essentially I am saying why put a small compact anti ship land attack missile on an anti sub ship... it would make more sense to carry a compact reduced size anti sub weapon that is in service and use.
There is talk of a Medvedka 2 missile but these are intended for launch from the UKSK vertical launchers and was supposed to be for the Steregushchy corvettes and the Gorshkov frigates but with the much longer ranged 91R1/2 missiles things have gone somewhat quiet on the Medvedka 2's.
That would be redundant because existing weapons take up the same space and have better performance already.
The Medveka is also offered for export but has nothing in common with the Uran missile. Just an interesting side note - the Uran was installed on the East German Sassnitz boats but was removed and shipped back to the USSR prior to unification.
It has a sophisticated MMW radar guidance system that is rather difficult to jam or decoy... the west would love to get their hands on one.
They probably got Ukrainian ones already.
IMHO that makes a strong case that they will fit inclined launch tubes for the UKSK-munitions, and locate a pair of quad kh-35 in the space of the original Metel/Rastrubs.
The advantage of vertical launch systems is they are modular... clear the space fit them and attach the wiring... Inclined launch tubes would take up all the space the original quad launch tubes for Metel and more... their length is enormous so you have to build up the deck height and put them in vertically.
Only a Slava class with Vulkan missiles on angled launchers would have the horizontal space for enough UKSK launchers to be useful.
Aren't they gonna also put shtil launchers. Only Pantsir would be a very weak AD system. They need a layered IADS.
It is designated a frigate so it really only has to defend itself so the new model Pantsir and original naval TOR should be plenty for close in protection and out to about 30km with Pantsir...
Shtil would require a major rearrangement and some serious changes.
Actually they have shown an official image where they say the future upgrade of Udaloys would integrate the shtil in place of Tor.
Official from whom? The makers of Shtil might show such an image... there was an official image with angled UKSK launch tubes too but that is not official and AFAIK mainly aimed at export...
Now we are hearing, that there will be increased number of missiles for Czabanenko ...
Mentioned in the article it is just two Uran quad launchers on each side instead of one so 16 Urans total instead of just 8.
Not a huge modification... but certainly easy and sensible.
First get upgradef Tor, second shtil, 3rd Pantsir and tor... they seem to be making all of them different.
These ships are gap fillers till they start making destroyers and get more frigate into service so with the new weapons being modular it would make sense to test some different things... having Shtil is not a bad thing, but is it worth it... who can say without testing and use.
I would think if it was terrible they could change it back in 10 years time during an overhaul or just send it to a backwater where it doesn't matter.
Testing them now on these ships makes more sense than testing them on brand new destroyers...
No. They won't upgrade them twice. After this upgrade they will replace them with new ships.
These ships will be good for a number of years... there is no rush to scrap them... bigger ships are useful until you have enough new ships... and that is going to take a while to get to that position.
I doubt. They keep them until the production of Gorshkov speeds up. They are old ships. This upgrade should give them another 10 years. But then they will remove them from service once they have enough Gorshkovs.
I disagree... these are bigger ships and will have better endurance than the Gorshkovs... when they have a half dozen new destroyers on the water and they want to send them on long trips it would actually make more sense to send these upgraded boats with them than smaller newer boats...
As you said "they will remove them from service once they have enough Gorshkovs" and as I've already indicate these are interim ships
They have no destroyer sized ships and frigate sized ships are useful, but these are destroyer sized vessels and will likely only get scrapped when their destroyers are in proper serial production and in service in reasonable numbers... with two major and two minor fleets and a lake fleet they will need a lot of destroyers in service before these upgraded ships become redundant... they could be sent to the Baltic or Black Sea fleets and could remain there for a couple of decades while new ships fill out the four main fleets.
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) I'd guess that maybe the Navy has finally decided that 1151.1 Chabanenko will be designated as an anti-surface vessel and won't be fitted with UKSK, probably as unlike 1155 Shaposhnikov she doesn't have the 2nd 100mm arty that can be sacrificed, so the internal mods required will be too extensive and too expensive. She gets slanted launchers instead (4x quad packs?), and won't be carrying Otvet like her 1155 sisters.
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