Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

charly015 delivers as always

Well to be fair the drawing shows Urans but I don't see Urans on the model so that might just be wishful thinking.

Certainly the Urans would fit there rather easily, but whether they actually put any there is another question.

To be honest I would think with that free space they could put one of those deck mounted TOR launchers instead to beef up the number of ready to fire TORs would be a more efficient use of that space... though Uran is a nice weapon in its own right and has dual anti ship and land attack options which makes it quite flexible too.

Pics from the yard. Uran seems very likely.

Who says the angled launchers are not for Onyx?
Anyway though if they got rid of the main gun, then the Uran makes sense.

Given the Udaloys are classified as Large ASW Ships, I'd expect that at least half of the UKSK will likely be ASW missiles to support the large bow sonar, helo and towed array.

The Urans make sense for self-defense and to compensate for carrying a significant ASW loadout.

PapaDragon wrote:

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Who says the angled launchers are not for Onyx?
Anyway though if they got rid of the main gun, then the Uran makes sense.

Angled Onyx was never developed

Yes it was since it was even tested on a Nanushka corvette.

It was a failed and discontinued side project from decades ago

Udalois will be getting Urans (at best) and that's it

Plus 16 VLS for Onyx, Kaliber and Tsirkon.

So many people making interesting claims...

The UKSK launcher is a vertical launch system that can fire Onyx/Yakhont/Brahmos, as well as the Club family of export missiles and the similar but much longer ranged domestic Kalibr range of weapons... all of these weapons either fire their main rocket engines to launch out of the vertical tubes or have a booster rocket engine that blows them out of the tube where their main rocket engines lights up and continues the launch.

If it can launch the object clear of the launch tubes vertically then why would anyone think it couldn't do the same on an angle?

The Kalibr family are all 533mm weapons designed to be launched from a horizontal torpedo tube so firing at an angle shouldn't really be a big issue.

An important point for this discussion is that the mockup modified image of the upgraded Udaloy used to advertise the angled UKSK launch tubes actually shows a modified Udaloy design with one UKSK vertical launcher where the old second mounted 100mm gun is located with the areas under the sides of the bridge where the Metel missiles were located having angled UKSK launchers... in the modified image it also has Uran missiles but they are mounted near the back of the ship facing sideways in two quad launchers... something like this:

go to this page:

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/shipborne-weapons/klab-u/

And to the left of the page there are two images... a big one and a smaller one. Click on the smaller one and it should open a much larger image...

Note according to that page the angled launchers can carry the subsonic and mach 3 supersonic versions of Kalibr as well as the land attack model Kalibr too.

Of course the anti sub and Onyx and Zircon could be carried in the vertical tubes.

Honestly, i don't see much point in upgrading these ships at the moment, if it's to put more UKSKs at sea, then so be it.
But i wouldn't put to much for a priority on it.

Right now, all resources should be going to Gorshkov and it's other variants.
But i guess these stopgaps are needed thanks to the delays.

There are only 6 Udaloys and 8 Sovremennys, so at least Russia will finally have some decent ships bigger than Corvettes in the double digits.

They don't need to make them super arsenal ships... replace the old weapons systems with current systems which makes them easier to operate... all of their ports will have loading systems and missiles for these weapon systems so supporting and arming these ships will be easier in the various places they might operate.

New weapons make it easier to operate and more capable, but new sensors would be interesting as well... a chance to test some sets they might be intending to use on their new bigger vessels... a chance to test and troubleshoot... and if they work they can greatly improve the performance of the ships... if they don't then they will have time to work out temporary alternatives for upgraded ships while they work on proper solutions for new build ships that will be needing them in 6-8 years time.

Linking them to the new network for the Navy means the targets they detect can be added to the collective information database, and their weapons can be added to the database of solutions to the threats and targets... they might not add a fundamental shift in performance, but they will add to their capabilities.

They will also provide an opportunity to sail further and longer and to show the flag around the world... I am sure Venezuela would appreciate some visits and trade links with a country that doesn't want to murder them to steal their resources...

How about angled Zircons?

That will give the Udaloys serious punch, and they have the superstructure size to support high and large enough radars to take advantage of it

The UKSK launchers can be reserved for anti-sub missiles, which will enable the Udaloys to keep fulfilling their original role of ASW.

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:...

There are only 6 Udaloys and 8 Sovremennys, so at least Russia will finally have some decent ships bigger than Corvettes in the double digits.

6 Udalois and 1 Sovremenny, all others are retired and this last one will be soon as well

Well that's just great, so not even double digits.

GarryB wrote:They don't need to make them super arsenal ships... replace the old weapons systems with current systems which makes them easier to operate... all of their ports will have loading systems and missiles for these weapon systems so supporting and arming these ships will be easier in the various places they might operate.

New weapons make it easier to operate and more capable, but new sensors would be interesting as well... a chance to test some sets they might be intending to use on their new bigger vessels... a chance to test and troubleshoot... and if they work they can greatly improve the performance of the ships... if they don't then they will have time to work out temporary alternatives for upgraded ships while they work on proper solutions for new build ships that will be needing them in 6-8 years time.

So in the end, it's still a stopgap measure, thanks to the delays of the Gorshkovs.

Oh well, it's the best that can be done given Russia's snails pace at shipbuilding.