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    Post  lyle6 Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:41 pm

    >its the same 4 fucking vehicles with every insignia painted on and pictured from every angle imaginable
    Doesn't seem to be doing them any favors if they captured that many.
    I know you're one of the dumbest motherfucking posters here, but sheesh.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:00 am

    Russia produces hundreds of BMP-3 IFVs a year but for the Ukrainians those 4 captured IFVs are the best vehicles in that class they have. Smile

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    Post  limb Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:42 am

    >its the same 4 fucking vehicles with every insignia painted on and pictured from every angle imaginable
    Doesn't seem to be doing them any favors if they captured that many.
    I know you're one of the dumbest motherfucking posters here, but sheesh.
    Its not the "same 4 vehicles" . If you left your echo chamber you'd see dozens of captured ones, mainly around kharkov. Iraqis captured 0 NATO tanks or IFVs. Bosnian serbs captured 0 NATO tanks or IFVs.

    Also pretty rich for a retard like you to throw any insults around when you justified russian tanks having 4km/h reverse speeds because you think its best for tanks operate like 18th century shock cavalry.

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    Post  diabetus Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:13 am

    To be fair the vast majority of captured vehicles seem to have been too damaged for use as it's very rare to see them in use with Ukraine.

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    Post  limb Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:04 am

    Tanks, yes. Not IFVs though.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:23 am

    Its not the "same 4 vehicles" . If you left your echo chamber you'd see dozens of captured ones, mainly around kharkov. Iraqis captured 0 NATO tanks or IFVs. Bosnian serbs captured 0 NATO tanks or IFVs.

    Heroic HATO refused to send their armour or state of the art attack aircraft into the conflict in Kosovo because they were afraid of excessive losses, but lets not dwell on 22 years ago... how about more recently.... how much US equipment did the Taliban capture?

    That much?

    So what... they captured some BMP-3s, what is important is that their crews are not POWs and the Russians dominate the battlefield to the point where getting fuel and ammo for these vehicles will mean they wont last long if they try to use them.

    Very likely they will try to send them to rear areas for sending to the west for examination, but even then their replacements are already being perfected for serial production so their capture is not really important to anyone except those who pretend to care about Russians and Russia... those who actually do understand that equipment gets captured and destroyed in combat... that is what combat is.

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    Post  Ned86 Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:04 pm

    If you left your echo chamber you'd see dozens of captured ones, mainly around kharkov. Iraqis captured 0 NATO tanks or IFVs. Bosnian serbs captured 0 NATO tanks or IFVs.

    Well, using your logic we could say that Taliban captured such an amount of US military equipment enough for an entire small army (size of Slovakia).
    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/15/asia/taliban-military-parade-us-weapons-intl/index.html

    We are takling about vehicles, helicopters and etc...
    Yes mainstream did everything to spin this as a US victory while when Russians leave damaged tank, suddenly it is a big story about logistic problems, morale and etc...

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/vikrammittal/2021/09/08/afghanistan-graveyard-of-equipment/?sh=2fb50cad6a52

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    Post  limb Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:28 pm

    Show me Bradleys, LAV-25, Stryker MGS, Warrior IFV, puma IFV, centauro, dardo, etc in taliban service.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:32 pm

    Show me Bradleys, LAV-25, Stryker MGS, Warrior IFV, puma IFV, centauro, dardo, etc in taliban service.

    What's your point exactly?

    You can compare the Taliban to the Syrian Islamists or ISIS, and the amount of Russian equipment they captured and put into service.

    Not to the Ukraine, which is a regular army and one of the largest such in Europe, given an infinite amount of intel, financial, armament support by the NATO bloc. A few captured Russian vehicles is not really a big deal, as you're dealing with a major war here and one that threatens to expand - the most important thing is not hardware but keeping your casualties low.

    But you seem to be obsessed with prestige and hollow measures of power. They mean rather nothing here. Making a molehill out of such unimportant bullshit only ensures you will lose more people and become predictable.
    What next, are you going to quote American slogans about 'no man left behind'? Sure, works fine against some insurgents, or maybe Somalis - but it never cut it against either the Vietnamese or the Koreans. Plenty of people had to be left behind, plenty of vehicles too.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:58 am

    The core point is that the Orcs capturing Russian gear is identical to the Taliban capturing western gear... it was the same... the nazis and the taliban recovered abandoned equipment... that is all... it does not indicate anything at all except one side found some stuff left behind by the other side on the battlefield.

    How long do you think BMP-3s are going to last in nazi service?

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:01 am

    The funny thing is the Taliban and the Iraqi insurgents did something far worse to NATO than capturing a few vehicles and our friend here is just too stupid to realize it.

    In fighting them, NATO has allowed itself to (d)evolve from the second army of the world - to the world's largest SWAT team. NATO doctrine, force structure, TTPs, are all formulated on the assumption that future wars are all going to be COIN bullshit. We don't even have to look far and wide just how dogshit they've become - look at Ukraine and Georgia, both proteges of NATO and they're getting their ass massacred. Without nukes, NATO would be massacred as well.

    limb wrote:Show me Bradleys, LAV-25, Stryker MGS, Warrior IFV, puma IFV, centauro, dardo, etc in taliban service.
    They would have them, if NATO's supposed world class expeditionary fighting capability didn't fail when trying to ship in proper armored vehicles without Russia's help.

    And you know what's funny? NATO developed MRAPs specifically against insurgents and as a whole it cost more than all those vehicles combined. Even more hilarious? They cancelled their force modernization plans in favor of these cuck trucks  Razz

    NATO really went ahead and threw away a 20 year gap when Russia was too busy with its own problems they could have used to develop and solidify their status as the premier fighting force on the planet. Bully for them, nobody's going to give them the same favor.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:16 am

    The taliban got c130s

    Nuff said

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:18 am

    Wow, things seem to have went a bit mad over a handful of captured BMP-3. Can't believe I am reading all this drivel. Firstly Ukraine had a small handful of bmp-3 for years back and they weren't in service as they didn't have parts or expertise to get them running. Meaning any they capture will be same scenario. They also don't have access to the 100mm ammo. A handful of battle worn bmp-3 aren't going to win them the war. Bmp-3 isn't a wonder weapon, and Russia has no issue making more. Manpower loss is far more important than a handful of IFVs. The hysteria on here over such is nonsense. Talking about a handful of captured vehicles which might I add happens on both sides is irrelevant. What's important is who's winning the battles on the ground, and so far Ukraine seems to be losing a lot of manpower, equipment, and infrastructure.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:13 am

    Actually, they did operate some 3s.
    A while ago one was a superstar of very pictures material on how to blow two BMPs in the same spot on mines Laughing

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    Post  limb Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:02 pm

    Most BMP-3s the russian mechanized infantry uses are unupgraded models from the 80s or 90s. They don't have the bakcha U modules or 4S24 era. The BMP-3M with the bakhcha U are just for parades and arms exhibitions


    A comparison of the equipment of the airborne and motorized rifle units regularly rests on the argument "BMD-4M is needed because it has a better fire control system than the BMP-3." The approach is understandable, but incorrect.

    Of course, the BMD-4M is better, it has the Bakhcha-U combat module on serial vehicles, with a thermal imager, a digital ballistic computer, a new stabilizer and other useful things, while the BMP-3 with the Bakhcha has so far been seen only at exhibitions. But the module is not the whole machine, and the BMP-3 may well receive it from the factory, as well as an even more advanced Tit. But whether in this case a specialized landing armor is needed, which is much inferior to the BMP in terms of protection, is a question.

    In any case, it will be necessary to unify the production lines, expanding the supply of serial vehicles to the army, so you need to think about the appearance of single vehicles in each class from the very beginning. The BMP-3 has excellent firepower, which can be used to a much greater advantage if it receives a modern fire control system. Everything is fine with the BMD-4M with a fire control system, but the level of security of this vehicle leaves much to be desired. The launch of the updated BMP-3, which received optics and electronics from the BMD, under these conditions seems inevitable.

    https://t.me/vysokygovorit/10519

    Russian mechanized troops desperately need the FCS found on the BMD-4M.
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    Post  diabetus Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:52 am

    Hopefully they can retrofit that when overhauling them
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:34 am

    New-build BMP-3s have digital FCS with modern Sodema thermal sights.
    Much, much better than what Ukraine's getting in the Bradley or Marder repainted scrap.

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    Post  diabetus Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:39 am

    Old ones should get the same treatment
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    Post  TMA1 Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:57 am

    There is an impressive video showing from the view of the thermal imager of the turret auto tracking and hitting targets with the 100mm mortar. Wish I could find it. That kind of precision with the surprisingly large shells is incredible to see. Cannot wait for film of the epoch 57mm mortar in use.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:44 am

    Most BMP-3s the russian mechanized infantry uses are unupgraded models from the 80s or 90s. They don't have the bakcha U modules or 4S24 era. The BMP-3M with the bakhcha U are just for parades and arms exhibitions

    The original BMP-3 from the late 80s and early 90s were very basic... and can easily be identified by the optical box above the 100mm gun for the laser and other equipment... which is actually rather rare these days.

    Old ones should get the same treatment

    Pretty normal for their vehicles to receive upgrades during overhauls... as long as the upgrade has been accepted.

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    Post  diabetus Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:53 pm

    Not always, plenty of T-80BVs and T-72Bs were not upgraded to BVM or B3 when overhauled during this war.


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    Post  limb Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:56 pm

    There is an impressive video showing from the view of the thermal imager of the turret auto tracking and hitting targets with the 100mm mortar. Wish I could find it. That kind of precision with the surprisingly large shells is incredible to see. Cannot wait for film of the epoch 57mm mortar in use.

    That one was from a BMD-4M.

    Not always, plenty of T-80BVs and T-72Bs were not upgrades to BVM or B3 when overhauled during this war.
    Correct. Also majority of russian troops are using unupgraded BMP-2s, and unupgraded BMP-1s, not even BMP-1P. Less than 100 BMP-2Ms have been ever made, same with BMP-1 basurmanin. "70% modernized equipment" Was one of the biggest lies the RU MoD repeated in the last 8 years.
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:56 am

    Lots of figures, all from your backside. Discard.

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    Post  limb Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:14 am

    Only 18 BMP-2Ms were made between 2010 and 2020. Its impossible that hundreds have been made in the last 2 years alone.

    Theres only 2-3 clips of BMP-2Ms in the SVO and 2 of the BMP-1AM(one is pic of of a BMP-1AM captured).

    If hundreds are in service, there would be dozens of photos and clips

    It was the MoD istelf that repeatedly lied that 70% of vehicles in the russian army were newly made or upgraded.
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:25 am

    Again. Zero reliable sources, and you're a notoriously poor contributor, so discard.

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