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    Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:09 am

    mnztr wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Well the US doesn't want to stay there forever. And they want to have relations with whoever establishes power there next - which will be the Taliban

    So there's no point. Just leave, that's the only thing left to do.
    That's true, one day or the other they had to leave. Question is why leave the country at the mercy of Taliban when the Afghan government created by the US was already in place?


    We trained them, at the start of this conflict, they had 10 to 1 numbers and the afghans had better gear.

    We did a lot for them, the time was going to come when they had to sink or swim they choose to sink.

    Not our job to baby sit the afghans, they need to fight for themselves and we gave them the ability to do that but nothing we can do sides fight their war for them if they decide to roll over and die.


    The training and weapons clearly SUCK. The officers and leaders SUCK, all under US management. A huge festering $2.3T failure of ideology, training, technology and leadership.

    no they just gave up before any real fighting happened, they didn't want to fight so they surrendered to the Taliban.

    So now they get to enjoy brutal taliban rule.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:08 am

    i kid you not, i have seen some ANA soldier trying to prove his belief by trying to do gardening with an RPG-7 missile by slamming its warhead into the ground. That he could not be harmed.
    Dont bother trying to explain it's factory safety features. it is lost on them.
    just nod and back away untill you are within the safe distance of an accidental RPG detonation.

    Take that safety cap off the nose and they will go boom as soon as they touch the ground or anything hard...

    If his belief protects him can he explain why the millions of other fellow Afghans with the same beliefs are currently dead?

    Effectively if his god is just waiting for the right time for him to die then he is not protected at all, and is taking his chances just like everyone else.

    Not a great sales pitch for a religion trying to recruit new members.

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    Post  medo Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:21 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:no they just gave up before any real fighting happened, they didn't want to fight so they surrendered to the Taliban.

    So now they get to enjoy brutal taliban rule.

    Brutal taliban rule? Depends... Talibans survive 20 years of US occupation and now quickly win over Afghan army because of support from large majority of Afghanistan population from all tribes. Talibans now include all tribes in their lines. Talibans got agreements even with shia Hazarians, most probably through Iran. So if large majority of Afganis support talibans and are against colaborators, than you could bet many in Afghan army also support Talibans. With this support for 20 years, Afghani people actually elected without elections Talibans for their rulers.


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    Saigon 1975... er... I mean Kabul 2021.

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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:34 pm

    Taliban announces establishing control of entire territory of Afghanistan

    https://tass.com/world/1326051

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:06 pm

    Russia Today is reporting based on interviews with locals on the ground that Taliban is carrying out terrible atrocities across the country. Civilians have been killed by Taliban in large numbers.

    I suspect this was bound to happen because Pakistanis comprise a bulk of these fighters.

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    Post  Finty Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:09 pm

    https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/taliban-seizes-afghan-military-s-scaneagle-uas

    A day after Taliban fighters took control of India-gifted Mi-35 attack helicopter (serial 123) operated by the Afghan Air Force, reports arose that claimed that the latter lost a ScanEagle Unmanned Aerial System (UAS) to them.

    On 12 August 2021, Oryx Blog reported that the Taliban managed to get its hands on the drone after it was' left behind' by the Afghan Army in Kunduz.

    Afghanistan has many of these UASs in its inventory. The latest Foreign Military Sale (FMS) order for fifteen ScanEagles for the country was placed in November 2020. An initial order for 65 UASs was placed in 2015 for USD 70,9 million, followed by subsequent orders for five in 2017 and 35 in 2018.

    The ScanEagle is 5,1 feet long with a 5,6-foot wingspan. It weighs as much as 48,5 pounds and can carry a 7,5-pound sensor payload. The UAS can fly for more than 24 hours at altitudes as high as 19,500 feet, and at speeds up to 80 knots.

    India handed over a pair of refurbished ex Belarus Air Force Mi-35s helicopters each in May 2019 and October 2019 to war-torn Afghanistan. In March 2018, Afghanistan, Belarus and India inked a trilateral pact for refurbished Mi-24/Mi-35 helicopters. According to the Afghan ambassador, Shaida Abdali, in an interview on Monday 23 March 2018, India paid for the four Mi-24/Mi-35 helicopters. Next to these refurbished former Belarus Mi-35s, India delivered four ex Indian Air Force Mi-35s to Afghanistan in 2015 and 2016.

    Videos and photographs that surfaced on social media show Taliban moving around the Mi-35 at Kunduz air base. Rotor blades, and several other critical components of the helicopter appear to be missing. It is being speculated that the Afghan forces removed the parts from the helicopter anticipating defeat to the Taliban forces.

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    Post  Finty Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:11 pm

    https://news.sky.com/story/afghanistan-taliban-enters-outskirts-of-kabul-as-militants-say-they-dont-plan-to-take-capital-by-force-12382060

    Taliban has seized all major cities apart from Kabul; leader orders militants to refrain from violence as Taliban enter the capital; Joe Biden defends his decision to withdraw from Afghanistan; US and British troops arrive to help evacuate diplomats.

    • Taliban fighters have reached the outskirts of the capital Kabul - but leader orders militants to refrain from violence and says officials in talks for 'peaceful surrender'
      They have already seized Jalalabad, leaving just Kabul and seven provincial capitals under government control
      Kabul airport will still be allowed to function and foreigners are permitted to leave, says Taliban official
      Joe Biden defends decision to pull out of Afghanistan as he sends 5,000 troops to help evacuation of allied forces and 'those at special risk from the Taliban advance' - with British troops also arriving this weekend
      US diplomats urgently destroy sensitive documents as fewer than 50 embassy officials expected to stay in Kabul
      Hundreds of people are trying to withdraw their life savings from ATMs in Kabul

    Read more: How have Taliban managed to advance so quickly after US withdrawal? | What incentive is there for Taliban to negotiate now? | Fifteen years of security that British soldiers helped to build in Lashkar Gar has gone in 13 days

    Live reporting by Alix Culbertson and Emily Mee
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    Post  Finty Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:12 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Russia Today is reporting based on interviews with locals on the ground that Taliban is carrying out terrible atrocities across the country. Civilians have been killed by Taliban in large numbers.

    I suspect this was bound to happen because Pakistanis comprise a bulk of these fighters.

    It's bad, people getting beaten for listening to pop music and others having their eyes gouged out.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:52 pm

    Sean Parnell@SeanParnellUSA·
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    There it is. Joe Biden’s Saigon. And on the heels of these remarks in July 2021:

    “There's going to be no circumstance where you see people lifted off the roof of an Embassy of the United States of America from Afghanistan”

    What a disaster.

    I hope he’s enjoying his vacation
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    US helicopters seen this morning at US embassy Kabul. It seems the evacuation is underway. Photo by @AP





    Escape from Kabul: Diplomats flee US Embassy in Chinook helicopters as Taliban fighters storm Afghan capital - in stark echoes of the Fall of Saigon

    Helicopter - believed to be US Air Force Chinook - seen flying over Kabul today from the US Embassy in Kabul
    It comes as Taliban closes in on the Afghan capital with shots heard on outskirts before fighters stormed city
    Around 3,000 US troops have been sent into city to aid with US evacuation, while British troops also deployed
    It is believed around 500 British staff needed to be evacuated and by Saturday the number was in 'the tens'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9895155/Escape-Kabul-Diplomats-flee-Embassy-Chinook-helicopters-Taliban-fighters-close-in.html


    US Intelligence officials had expected Kabul to hold out for three months, while UK ministers were hoping they had until the end of the month.

    Leaders of the extremist group have today demanded the Afghan government surrender the city to them in a bid to avoid bloodshed - adding the chilling warning 'we've not declared a ceasefire'.

    As many as 10,000 US citizens are being evacuated from the city. Around 3,000 US troops are being sent to aid the mission.

    Meanwhile, Special Forces units are joining 600 British troops from the 16 Air Assault Brigade, including 150 Paratroopers, while RAF planes are being scrambled from around the world, to airlift more than 500 British Government employees out of Kabul.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:04 pm

    2 guys decided to steal some Taliban vehicles a couple days back

    Now they'll be forced to fight to the death in a Gladiator-style arena (public execution in a cricket stadium works too)

    Apparently there's also a stoning to death of a woman scheduled for today.



    Kabul at the moment

    Although heck knows, maybe it's like that every day anyway



    Everyone has a plan against the Taliban. Until you get splashed with acid to the face

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:47 pm

    Finty wrote:It's bad, people getting beaten for listening to pop music and others having their eyes gouged out.
    Biden is responsible for this. Biden is responsible for the massacre of Afghans. He could've reversed course. . He made the call and he has said that he has no regrets. This is on him
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:2 guys decided to steal some Taliban vehicles a couple days back

    Now they'll be forced to fight to the death in a Gladiator-style arena...

    See, if they were doing this 20 years ago instead of those boring hangings maybe they would have been more popular worldwide



    medo wrote:...
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    Saigon 1975... er... I mean Kabul 2021.

    Despite popular opinion the last helicopter out of Vietnam was not Huey but Chinook so it seems that tradition is about to be maintained


    And one from the tarmac:

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    Post  medo Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:03 pm

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    Similarity...

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:10 pm

    Fascinating:

    @DawoodSafi_
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    What is HAPPENING?
    Summary of the past 3 days.

    President Ghani: he put up a long fight with Int’l Community to continue his term & hand over after election. No1 backed him.
    PG along with Fazli & Mohib left AFG today & handed Arg over to the US & British forces for security.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    FVP Saleh: refused to surrender; was adamant on “fighting till last bullet” & “dying in Arg like Dawood Khan.”
    PG refused bcz “millions will die in Kabul.” FVP insisted on putting up a fight. No1 backed him. He refused to surrender. Left Kbl last night. Nobody knows where he is.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    FVP Saleh 2: sources close to him tells me if KBL is handed over to TB without an interim gov & elections, he will announce the formation of the #Resistance Army. Dostum & Atta & many MPs of the North r on board.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    Abdullah & Karzai: they’ve taken over the transition process—going back&forth between KBL&Doha. AA left for Doha again today noon bcz TB hv back off from the deal last minute.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    ANDSF: Sami Sadat is in his HQ in Kabul. He is regrouping all the commandoes and Special Forces. Transporting them to Kabul. He wants to fight but not sure if he’d be allowed to. MoD, MoI is idle; awaiting instructions.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    Taliban: initially agreed to an interim gov & Jalali as the head. After PG agreed to step down they backed off again. Refusing to accept Jalali as the head of interim gov & proposing Mullah Biradar instead. It was almost agreed but they backed off again.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    Taliban2: Now they want that Kabul be unconditionally surrendered to them then they’ll decide if they want an interim gov or not. If not, they’ll attack Kabul. AA went back to Doha to talk this through. US doesn’t seem to care.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    Americans: US wants to leave no matter what. They keep on agreeing with whatever demands TB make. TB hv realised this so they keep changing their terms & US keep agreeing. UK, EU et all r just here to evacuate their citizens.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    Northern Alliance: only Saleh of the NA is in AFG. The rest hv ledt or r forced to flee. Qanoni & Rahmani r in Pakistan for some “conference”.
    Atta & Dostum r in Uzbekistan.
    Rabbani sons hv fled. Ahmad Masoud is in Panjsher. They r scattered without a shared goal.
    داوود Flag of Afghanistan
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    MPs & Ministers: almost all of them tried to flee AFG with their families. Most r struck in Kabul Airport bcz all flights r cancelled. No commercial plan is allowed to fly in or out of AFG at the moment.
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    Taliban taking over Kabul one way or the other. Hoping it won’t be bloody.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:20 pm


    Looks like 600 Turkish and 120 Azerbaijani soldiers are stuck in Kabul and can't get not satisfaction because Uncle Sam called dibs on all air traffic

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:27 pm

    medo wrote:Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan - Page 18 E80b_f10

    Similarity...

    Here's another


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    Post  Sujoy Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:30 pm

    Afghan civilians pelt Afghan Army personnels with stones because they decided to flee instead of fighting the Taliban.



    Even a Pakistani Punjabi journalist has to accept that Taliban is not liked by quite a few Afghans.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:36 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like 600 Turkish and 120 Azerbaijani soldiers are stuck in Kabul and can't get not satisfaction because Uncle Sam called dibs on all air traffic


    But they wanted to stay and guard the airport anyway

    What's the problem?

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:50 pm

    Taliban leaders entered Kabul on Sunday, ordering troops to remain outside the Afghan capital ahead of talks on a peaceful transition of power, and President Ashraf Ghani has reportedly left the country.

    The Afghan news service Tolo reported that the president had departed along with close aides, citing people with knowledge, but didn’t say where he was headed. A senior interior ministry official said Ghani’s headed to Takijistan, Afghanistan’s northern neighbor, Reuters reported.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-15/taliban-fighters-enter-outskirts-of-kabul-gunfire-in-capital?srnd=premium

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:01 pm

    All in a fortnight's work for the Taliban attack

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    Post  Mir Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:02 pm

    It's actually quite ironic that back in 1979 Brzezinski wanted to create the Soviet's Vietnam in Afghanistan. I posted somewhere that there were comparisons but overall Brzezinski ultimately failed in his objective. What he actually succeeded in was to create and funded the rise of the Muslim Jihad extremists and this continues unabated even today - ISIS being a prime example.

    History has now come full circle again with the US fleeing from rooftops by helicopter. Rolling Eyes Smile

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:23 pm


    Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani has left the country for Tajikistan, senior interior ministry official says

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1426931538571128838



    I must leave, my money needs me!


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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:42 pm

    Interesting write-up by a writer on Quora:

    Afghanistan has been handed to Taliban in a plate. Just a week ago, I wrote on Quora that the country had a chance for a final stand but within just a week, Kabul has fallen, rather ironically how the international media had predicted. Here is what I know so far:

    Ashraf Ghani, a Pashtun nationalist who never cared about the people of Afghanistan seems to have been colluding with Taliban all along. He had the last communist president Najibullah in his mind who is hated by Pashtun chauvinists for arming the North and allowing non-Pashtuns a fair share in power. I for one knew Ghani very well and thankfully never supported him. But I and many people like me believed that he was a lesser of the two evils. At least he didn't oppress women or violate human rights. We didn't know his ethnic prejudice could make him an all out traitor.

    So from what we know Ghani surrendered the North and the West and finally Kabul. Apparently the resistance in Kandahar at the cost of the militia was a way of blinding the North of the depth of the conspiracy. For instance if Kandahar had fallen quickly, we would have all assumed what was cooking and local leaders would have quickly taken over the 3 army Corps in North along with the commando units in Kabul. We could have even led a coup and gotten rid of Ghani.

    But that didn't happen. While Herat was resisting under Ismail Khan, the massive Army Corps was handed to Taliban. I had no documentary evidence therefore I didn't believe it. I honestly avoided spreading potential fake news for the sake of feeling good. But then Mazar prepared itself for resistance and Ghani himself showed willingness to be there and oversee the defense of the city. But Mazar too fell when the Corps led by a Pashtun general fled the city in the middle of the night. There are videos of the retreat showing the army units in massive armoured cars moving out of the city with no Taliban in sight.



    And then came Kabul. Again, the pattern of an orchestrated collapse continued. 3000 US and British forces entered the city to make sure there was no resistance and a transition of power to an interim government could be ensured. Ghani as I write, has fled along with his kitchen cabinet of two losers imported from the West. The city of 4 million souls is completely at the mercy of Taliban.

    How and why did this all happen. It's a long story and I will try to explain it in many posts to come. For now, what we do know is that Taliban didn't win Afghanistan by the force of arms but through an organised transition of power administered most probably by the Americans. The silver lining is tht there has been minimal loss of human life. Although nothing can be guaranteed. There are rumours of Panjsher preparing to resist under the leadership of Amrullah Saleh. We will have to wait and see. To me, limited resistance at a time when Taliban have taken Kabul is simply stupid.

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    Post  Sujoy Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:44 pm

    This account should now be declared a parody account

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