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    Post  flamming_python Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:23 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:Clear U.S involvement in Afghanistan to ensure that Taliban makes rapid progress. This explains why Pakistan has not been sanctioned yet by the U.S despite sending in 30,000 jihadis to Afghanistan in less than a month.

    Interesting comment.

    What leads you to this conclusion?
    Those 6000 hardened Taliban criminals were released by the U.S without any pre condition. It is these individuals who are now overseeing Taliban operations across Afghanistan.

    US invite to  Taliban for talks for more than 2 years was basically laying the groundwork for U.S/NATO withdrawal.

    Jihadi groups based in Pakistan are lending their support to the Taliban. Already > 30K jihadis have moved into Afghanistan from Pakistan and yet the US has neither imposed sanctions on Pakistan nor has it carried out air strikes against Pakistan.

    U.S knows fully well that 3 training camps has been set up by Pakistan in the Tera agency region of Pakistan where Taliban fighters are being trained.


    Well the US doesn't want to stay there forever. And they want to have relations with whoever establishes power there next - which will be the Taliban

    So there's no point. Just leave, that's the only thing left to do.
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote: Well the US doesn't want to stay there forever. And they want to have relations with whoever establishes power there next - which will be the Taliban

    So there's no point. Just leave, that's the only thing left to do.
    That's true, one day or the other they had to leave. Question is why leave the country at the mercy of Taliban when the Afghan government created by the US was already in place?

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:19 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Well the US doesn't want to stay there forever. And they want to have relations with whoever establishes power there next - which will be the Taliban

    So there's no point. Just leave, that's the only thing left to do.
    That's true, one day or the other they had to leave. Question is why leave the country at the mercy of Taliban when the Afghan government created by the US was already in place?


    Afghan government is a joke, that's why

    USA wanted to leave and hoped that several months later when Taliban take over nobody will care because they would have been already out by then

    Unfortunately for them Taliban had ther own schedule and Americans now have egg on their face

    As for Russia they already had contacts established with the Taliban at least 3 years ago when they crunched the numbers and came to a conclusion who will be running the show there

    Lead Russian negotiator was called Kabulov (I shit you not lol1 )

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Well the US doesn't want to stay there forever. And they want to have relations with whoever establishes power there next - which will be the Taliban

    So there's no point. Just leave, that's the only thing left to do.
    That's true, one day or the other they had to leave. Question is why leave the country at the mercy of Taliban when the Afghan government created by the US was already in place?


    Afghan government is a joke, that's why

    USA wanted to leave and hoped that several months later when Taliban take over nobody will care because they would have been already out by then

    Unfortunately for them Taliban had ther own schedule and Americans now have egg on their face

    As for Russia they already had contacts established with the Taliban at least 3 years ago when they crunched the numbers and came to a conclusion who will be running the show there

    Lead Russian negotiator was called Kabulov (I shit you not lol1 )




    egg on their face is right

    Biden said in July Taliban 'overrunning everything' was 'highly unlikely'
    Herat, Afghanistan's third-largest city, fell to the Taliban Thursday
    President Biden last month dismissed the possibility that the Taliban would swarm through Afghanistan, which just weeks later they are in the process of doing.

    "So the question now is, where do they go from here?" Biden said during a July 8 press conference. "The jury is still out. But the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.

    Thursday, Afghanistan’s third-largest city, Herat, located on the border with Iran, fell to the Taliban. The Taliban also claimed to have seized Kandahar City, the country’s second-largest and the Taliban’s spiritual home.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wapo-fact-checker-calls-out-biden-on-for-july-comment-saying-taliban-takeover-in-afghanistan-highly-unlikely

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    Post  medo Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:03 pm

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    https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1426100369961242625

    Taliban capture 1 working Mi-8 helicopter and 2 more Mi-8/17 in Shindand airbase at Herat.

    https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1426140498188767235

    Talibans captured more Scan Eagle drones in Herat.

    Talibans captured cities of Herat, Kandahar, Lashkargah and Qalat. Afganistan army is leaving Kandahar airbase, so it will be soon surrendered to Talibans.

    Sujoy wrote:So with a Taliban controlled Afghanistan it's clear the regime will remain anti Russia and India. But China will be able to control resources with the help of Pakistan.

    Talibans are not anti-Russia. They have a business deal with all, Russia, China and Iran and are business partners in their common Silk road project. Russia have conditions, that Talibans prevent any terrorist attack in Tadjikistan and Uzbekistan and to destroy ISIS, which US bring to Afghanistan from Syria and Iraq. China have similar condition regarding Xinjiang region. On the other hand, they will not maddle in internal Afganistan affairs and will bring trade and investments as well as reconstriction companies.

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    Post  medo Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:10 pm

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    More captured helicopters in Ghazni.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:25 pm

    Shows up much better with colours this way.

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    white-#IEA
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:36 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Well the US doesn't want to stay there forever. And they want to have relations with whoever establishes power there next - which will be the Taliban

    So there's no point. Just leave, that's the only thing left to do.
    That's true, one day or the other they had to leave. Question is why leave the country at the mercy of Taliban when the Afghan government created by the US was already in place?


    We trained them, at the start of this conflict, they had 10 to 1 numbers and the afghans had better gear.

    We did a lot for them, the time was going to come when they had to sink or swim they choose to sink.

    Not our job to baby sit the afghans, they need to fight for themselves and we gave them the ability to do that but nothing we can do sides fight their war for them if they decide to roll over and die.


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:54 pm

    Numbers of USAF aircraft mainly tankers heading towards the ME from the US.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:47 am

    Right now, two thirds of Afghanistan is under Taliban control — a control that is even more merciless and violent than in the past, its insurgent ranks fuelled by a host of other international terrorist networks, from Isis extremists and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, to the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan and Chechen and Uighur guerrillas.

    Armed with Humvees, rockets and a host of powerful machine guns, today’s fighters are better equipped than their predecessors and have better technology at their fingertips.
    They feel the momentum is with them — a momentum that has been building with frightening rapidity since the dawn of this year — and it is easy to understand why.
    Even before the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops was confirmed by President Joe Biden in April, the signs were ominous.

    I felt chilled to the bone when, in mid-January, I woke to the news that two female judges working for the Afghan Supreme Court had been shot dead in Kabul, ambushed by unidentified gunmen as they walked to work on a Sunday morning.

    Bombings followed, including a girls’ school, a horrifying sign of things to come, for since then the stories emerging from across the land are ever bloodier and more stomach-churning.

    We are paying the price of Western hypocrisy and abandonment. Last year, countries rolled out the red carpet for the Taliban at the so-called ‘peace talks’ in the Qatari capital Doha.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9891953/A-mothers-eyes-gouged-young-girls-kidnapped-sex-slaves-SHUKRIA-BARAKZAI.html



    T‘What was the point?’: Taliban move to within 40 miles of Kabul as former British Royal Marine tells of absolute panic in Afghanistan capital and his shame at the West abandoning the country and its people

    As of Friday, Afghanistan's government has effectively lost control of most of the country to the Taliban

    The Taliban captured Pol-e-Alam city - the capital of Logar province, just 40 miles from the capital of Kabul

    Just three cities remain under government control after Taliban the lighting-fast offensive across the country

    Former British marine Paul Farthing in Kabul spoke of the 'absolute panic' in the capital as refugees arrive

    'I truly now want somebody to tell me – what was the point?' he said, after 20 years of British presence
    Thousands of people are believed to be fleeing their homes to escape the extremists' brutal regime
    The U.N. urged Afghanistan's neighbours to keep their borders open to allow people to flee the country
    United Nations agencies also warned of a growing humanitarian crisis in the country amid food shortages

    On Friday, Pakistan re-opened a border crossing, allowing people through the Chaman-Spin Boldak crossing
    Following a meeting Friday NATO called on countries to support the Afghan government 'as much as possible'
    By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE

    PUBLISHED: 12:16 EDT, 13 August 2021 | UPDATED: 13:07 EDT, 13 August 2021
    Describing the scenes in Afghanistan's capital, Mr Farthing - who founded Afghan animal welfare charity 'Nowzad' in the country - said it was 'absolute panic'.

    'I've never seen anything like it at all,' he described. 'There are thousands of refugees now coming in from the country hoping that Kabul is going to be their last hope of safety, and it is just desperation everywhere.'

    Both Britain and the United States will deploy thousands of troops to evacuate their citizens from the city, which some have predicted could fall within days as the Taliban continue their march to seize it from the government.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9891441/Taliban-40-miles-Kabul-former-British-marine-tells-absolute-panic.html

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:48 am

    Megh Updates Police cars revolving light
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    Now Talban Bans use of #Covid_19 vaccines in Paktia province, #Afghanistan


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    Amrullah Saleh, the Vice President of Afghanistan, has reportedly left Afghanistan and gone to Tajikistan.

    Wajahat Kazmi@KazmiWajahat·
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    Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani is expected to resign

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:58 am

    We can hardly expect the MSM mouthpieces of the US/NATO powers to be at all favourable or even fair when their side in a civil war has clearly lost. It is in their interests to maximise the doom and woe now that the 'protective' shield of the Western military has gone.

    Amongst other things there will be no admitting that vast sums of money, thousands of lives etc were lost for nothing. You ain't gonna get a politician to own up and take responsibility for that.

    That the Afghan Army, vastly larger and better equipped lost is a problem for those who, foolishly put their faith in its protective abilities. They lived the highlife that has now hit a brick wall.

    As to the impotent bleating coming out of London. Its pathetic. Send more troops in again? They must be joking, we couldn't even control Helmand without the USAF.
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:48 pm

    India will issue visas to Afghans who are fleeing Afghanistan. Regardless of what their religion is, Indian visas will be issued to Afghans.

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    Post  medo Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:03 pm

    https://twitter.com/SecKermani/status/1426608239328759808

    City Mazar-I-Sharif falled to talibans.

    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426617185007542280

    Afghanistan army and officials are fleeing into Uzbekistan.

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    Post  medo Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:44 pm

    https://twitter.com/michaeltanchum/status/1426622262875205635

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    Road and railroad of Silk route project could now start with building. With fall of Mazar-I-Sharif, whole Afghanistan part of route is in hands of Talibans.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:06 pm

    medo wrote:https://twitter.com/SecKermani/status/1426608239328759808

    City Mazar-I-Sharif falled to talibans.

    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1426617185007542280

    Afghanistan army and officials are fleeing into Uzbekistan.

    About 4-5 cities just today. Mazar is the major one. Dostum and the other warlord (forgot his name) both fled into Uz. Apparently the 3rd commander who was with them betrayed them and withdrew, dooming their forces. But maybe that's just an excuse


    In addition some Afghan commander defected with his forces today and instantly capped a city for the Taliban


    6/7 Afghan Army corps out of operation now
    Leaves just the 201st Corps in Kabul and some SOF



    Anyway it's just Kabul now. Reports over the last hour suggest that Jalalabad has now been handed over to the Taliban as well.
    Just for fun:



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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:07 pm

    BREAKING: #Jalalabad, the capital of #Nangarhar province has been handed over to the Taliban by local security forces

    https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1426622301110427650

    So that leaves us with just... (checks notes)... oh yeah, Kabul

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:18 pm

    I don't think history has even witnessed such a shitshow to be honest. At least not for a long time

    It's like the Tet Offensive and Fall of Saigon combined all rolled into what, a little over a week?

    And now the US/Canadians/Brits are rushing back into A-Stan, before they've even finished leaving it - and their troops will practically descended into an active battlefield just a dozen kilometres from where they're disembarking. What the hell. Someone severely miscalculated.

    The Soviets it should be noted secured their own line of retreat and the survival of their DRA allies by absolutely thrashing the Mujahadeen over the course of a 3-4 month long counter-offensive in Jalalabad just prior to pull out; a full blown mechanized and air assault with hundreds of ballistic missiles employed by the DRA Army as well; which was managing affairs alright until the USSR collapsed and all support was cut. In fact it was mostly the Afghan Army which was fighting there, the Soviets were just involved in support.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:50 pm

    Apparently the Taliban are beginning the assault on Kabul already

    President Ghani, at least according to Pakistan sources, is rumored to be readying to flee along with the US embassy staff. Some US helicopters were at the presidential palace at any rate.

    All these governors and warlords have all scurried off like worms, betraying each other, betraying their own men and forces, giving them orders to withdraw instead of fight - for the benefit of their own deals of amnesty and security with the Taliban. Or just fleeing to neighboring countries like this Dostum clown. All the while giving boisterous speeches about resistance and everything else.
    What an absolute corrupt, self-serving farce, the whole military and political leadership of the country.

    I feel sorry for the people they've abandoned, the ones lower down the ladder. All the women's political activists and groups, all the translators, all the people who headed cultural or political work, all the lower-level commanders who are on the wanted lists of the soon to be new rulers of the land. For the city populations in general.
    Without even taking sides here, it's just a very dishonorable betrayal from any point of view.

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    Post  franco Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:10 pm

    The Afghans are obviously not true believers in the American dream...
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    Post  mnztr Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:25 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote: Well the US doesn't want to stay there forever. And they want to have relations with whoever establishes power there next - which will be the Taliban

    So there's no point. Just leave, that's the only thing left to do.
    That's true, one day or the other they had to leave. Question is why leave the country at the mercy of Taliban when the Afghan government created by the US was already in place?


    We trained them, at the start of this conflict, they had 10 to 1 numbers and the afghans had better gear.

    We did a lot for them, the time was going to come when they had to sink or swim they choose to sink.

    Not our job to baby sit the afghans, they need to fight for themselves and we gave them the ability to do that but nothing we can do sides fight their war for them if they decide to roll over and die.


    The training and weapons clearly SUCK. The officers and leaders SUCK, all under US management. A huge festering $2.3T failure of ideology, training, technology and leadership.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:43 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    The training and weapons clearly SUCK. The officers and leaders SUCK, all under US management. A huge festering $2.3T failure of ideology, training, technology and leadership.

    The Afghan Army had more than enough weapons, training and manpower. I'm sure they have enough experience too and some competent officers

    Problem was most of their commanders were warlords with huge mansions who were most interested in saving their own assess

    And as soon as the first domino fell, others followed

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:35 am

    flamming_python wrote:I don't think history has even witnessed such a shitshow to be honest. At least not for a long time

    It's like the Tet Offensive and Fall of Saigon combined all rolled into what, a little over a week?...

    More like gains of Operation Bagration, effort expenditure of Granada Invasion and Fall of Saigon



    flamming_python wrote:All these governors and warlords have all scurried off like worms, betraying each other, betraying their own men and forces, giving them orders to withdraw instead of fight - for the benefit of their own deals of amnesty and security with the Taliban. ...

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    flamming_python wrote:Apparently the Taliban are beginning the assault on Kabul already

    President Ghani, at least according to Pakistan sources, is rumored to be readying to flee along with the US embassy staff. Some US helicopters were at the presidential palace at any rate....

    I will not use the real thing yet:

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    Post  mnztr Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:21 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    The training and weapons clearly SUCK. The officers and leaders SUCK, all under US management. A huge festering $2.3T failure of ideology, training, technology and leadership.

    The Afghan Army had more than enough weapons, training and manpower. I'm sure they have enough experience too and some competent officers

    Problem was most of their commanders were warlords with huge mansions who were most interested in saving their own assess

    And as soon as the first domino fell, others followed

    Yeah but the USA had the political clout to align the interested of these warlord. The shoulda told them any warlord that does not fight the Taliban and loses his areas to the Taliban will get LGBs on their mansions. as they will be designated terrorist training camps. If they stayed with the US the gravytrain will continue.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:05 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I know what I think, but I'm curious, what do y'all think of Joe Biden saying: "Biden tells Afghanistan they have to 'WANT' to fight the Taliban and insists he does not regret pulling troops..."

    Sad

    for anybody that want the short version, Papadragon gave it in a few sentences on the original post.

    my take on this:

    Biden is just an senile old man that should sit in his garden in his wheelchair where his wife keeps reminding him of everything.
    He is no president, he is an empty shell for the democratic party to use and exploit.
    I really do not feel sorry for the man, for all his corruption he brought and executed while in politics.

    Ever since 2006 i knew it was an lost-cause during my deployment.
    We, as NATO infantry where just keeping this artificial security intact.

    The CIA was only interrested in generating their own revenue, and subverting positions and people to go into an direction they preffered.
    The U.S millitary never asked questions. Because mainly that is the short-way of ending your carreer by being dishonorably discharged.

    the whole "hearts and minds" and "smile and wave" policy.
    It really does not work when your forces encounter an situation that does not represent the politicians story back home.
    Yes, We as NATO betrayed people there, left them to fend for themselves against Taliban revenge attacks.
    NATO's word, its worth absolute shit.

    Afghans themselves,
    They are an highly tribal society. their sole social structure is to further their own tribe. And saw the legs from any tribe above them.
    "law and order" is to most an foreign concept. why abide by this when you can take it by force?.
    And they do exactly that.

    As nato, we tried to break/change this tribal mindset.
    but its pretty much impossible. Tribal values over-ride everything.

    Give the ANA one town to protect, and they will change within an week to Tyrants over the local population to anyone that does not belong to their tribe.

    Their battle mindset: Inshallah.
    They believe everything is pre-determined by God.
    because, ....god forbid looking into an mirror and asking yourself where the hell your personal honour is in this engagement?.
    they do make great minesweepers tough, our engineers get out to search an road. they just floor their pickups over the roads as your own E.O.D specialists dive for cover.
    They:"its gods decision if we die on an roadside I.E.D".
    we: "m'kay....".
    i kid you not, i have seen some ANA soldier trying to prove his belief by trying to do gardening with an RPG-7 missile by slamming its warhead into the ground. That he could not be harmed.
    Dont bother trying to explain it's factory safety features. it is lost on them.
    just nod and back away untill you are within the safe distance of an accidental RPG detonation.

    We also honestly tried bringing some common sense.
    But no, they rather keep reaching back to old grudges from the past.

    This one tribe was still on hostile terms with another. because the other party killed like 3 camels way back.
    it was like 200 to 300 years ago.
    this interpreter of hours tried to fix that, invited both tribe leaders.
    he tried to explain it by explaining my own country and ww2 germany.
    How we where enemies, but buried the war-axe and where prosherous allies.
    They did not accept, this could only be settled in blood.

    What is happening now, is just what was already going to happen ever since 2006 when i experienced Afganistan. or earlier of course.
    I think since the very first day of invading afghanistan it was doomed to fail. like it does now.

    Us, as soldiers. Told everyone we could this was an lost cause.
    Politicians did not care.
    People did not care.
    Media did not care.
    in fact, we got scensored at every turn.
    So, who is to blame now?.

    All what will happen is the empty politicians with ties to arms manufacturers push for more unwinnable wars.
    More kids aged 14 to 20 to grind to physical and/or emotional paste upon the gears of perpetual war.
    To keep the blooded cogs of the western war-machine turning.









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