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    Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:31 am

    Well, do you think Afghanistan fighting the Taliban is a case of WANTING TO, or able to? or a case of many do not want to, and Afghanistan is not able to.

    I doubt Creepy Joe knows what is happening there or cares very much either way.

    I doubt he or the people advising him understand what is happening there and I doubt any of them know or care what a real solution for the region could possibly be and even if they knew for certain I don't think they would lift finger one to do anything because the more that area is in chaos the better they like it.

    They are probably pulling out so they can stir trouble with China over their muslim population of Urgiers or whoever they are... and they don't want their boys in the line of fire when things kick off.

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:53 am

    medo wrote:Talibans capture airports in Farah, Sheberghan and Kunduz. Afghanistan army in kunduzm airport capitulate and surrender to Talibans, who capture large quantities of weapons and ammunition and even 1 mi-24 helicopter, which was donated by India.
    This Mi 24 was cannibalized by the Afghan military several years ago. Not of much value to the Taliban. Pakistan supplied MANPADS will in any case shoot down any attack helo that the Afghan army has. Pakistani military officers are already embedded with the Taliban.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:58 am

    Ghazni city fell to the Taliban. 10th provincial capital in a week,
    Kandahar central prison was sprung open,
    Lashkar Gah provincial police headquarters in Helmand was capped by the Taliban, some soldiers stationed there surrendered while others managed to retreat,
    Shindad airbase was taken by the Talibs,
    Hundreds of soldiers and militia beseiged in the orphanage in Sheberghan surrendered,
    Soldiers who managed to retreat from the Kunduz airbase were successfully intercepted by the Taliban later and surrendered,

    Yup, just another 24h

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    Post  Finty Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:18 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Finty wrote:Been a while since the Taliban had any (presumably) serviceable aircraft in service!

    You laugh but they managed to operate at least one MiG-21 back in the 90s, that's how they forced a Russian Il-76 to land when over their airspace


    Aye I was thinking about their MiG-21s. I've read an article dating from 2000 (World Air Power Journal) which talks about the Taliban air force and how by that time, most of it was basically junk with attached photos of 21s rusting away.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:43 am

    Erdogan trying to extend his influence


    At a moment the Biden administration seems to have resigned itself to sitting by and watching as the Taliban takes back all of Afghanistan, and as the Pentagon has revised its assessment saying it fears Kabul will fall within one month to 90 days, Turkey is setting itself up to be a major player in the country after the dust settles.

    This could involve Turkey doing its own deal with the Taliban, while being the last major NATO member presence in the country amid the US exit, given Turkish troops are still running and guarding Kabul international airport as the last foreign troops are still flying out.

    On Wednesday President Tayyip Erdogan raised eyebrows by for the first time saying he might soon meet with the leader of the Taliban, Haibatullah Akhundzada, in Turkey.
    Getty Images

    Erdogan made the statements to CNN Turk, and cast the prospect of such a controversial potential meeting as part of efforts to end the fighting in Afghanistan. Here's what he said according to translation on Daily Sabah:

    "The latest developments and the situation of the Afghan public are really, really troubling," Erdoğan said.

    "Maybe I will even be in a position to receive the person who is their leader," Erdoğan added, after referring to efforts by Turkish officials for talks with the Taliban.

    Erdoğan last month said Turkey would hold discussions with the Taliban as part of the peace process.

    "Why? Because if we do not get control of things like this at a high level, it won't be possible to secure peace this time in Afghanistan," he added

    He also in Wednesday statements criticized the US for encouraging allies on the ground in Afghanistan who had worked with the US coalition - such as local Afghan translators and security personal (now being threatened by the Taliban and other Islamists) - to seek the safety of regional countries before seeking asylum in the US.

    As Bloomberg describes of the scathing comments:

    Turkey on Wednesday blasted the U.S. for recommending that Afghans fearful of a vengeful Taliban seek asylum in America from third countries.

    "Turkey does not, and will not, serve as any country’s waiting room," Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s communications director, Fahrettin Altun, told Bloomberg on Wednesday. "We will continue to do everything in our power to preserve the safety of our borders."

    Meanwhile the Biden administration continues to face criticism and anger over the scale of just how fast things have deteriorated, given as one senior EU official has pointed out over 65% of the country is now firmly in Taliban control, including at least eight provincial capitals.

    A prominent former US ambassador to Afghanistan under the Obama administration, Ryan Crocker, has gone so far as to lash out at Biden for abandoning the country the US spent 20 years attempting to secure to the Islamist enemies.

    "This is a handover to the Taliban," Crocker told Bloomberg TV Wednesday. He said the US-backed national government now perceives "rightly that we have hung them out to dry. We did a deal with their enemy."


    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-might-host-taliban-leader-us-ex-ambassador-blasts-biden-handover-enemies

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:24 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Erdogan trying to extend his influence


    At a moment the Biden administration seems to have resigned itself to sitting by and watching as the Taliban takes back all of Afghanistan, and as the Pentagon has revised its assessment saying it fears Kabul will fall within one month to 90 days, Turkey is setting itself up to be a major player in the country after the dust settles.

    This could involve Turkey doing its own deal with the Taliban, while being the last major NATO member presence in the country amid the US exit, given Turkish troops are still running and guarding Kabul international airport as the last foreign troops are still flying out.

    On Wednesday President Tayyip Erdogan raised eyebrows by for the first time saying he might soon meet with the leader of the Taliban, Haibatullah Akhundzada, in Turkey.
    Getty Images

    Erdogan made the statements to CNN Turk, and cast the prospect of such a controversial potential meeting as part of efforts to end the fighting in Afghanistan. Here's what he said according to translation on Daily Sabah:

       "The latest developments and the situation of the Afghan public are really, really troubling," Erdoğan said.

       "Maybe I will even be in a position to receive the person who is their leader," Erdoğan added, after referring to efforts by Turkish officials for talks with the Taliban.

       Erdoğan last month said Turkey would hold discussions with the Taliban as part of the peace process.

       "Why? Because if we do not get control of things like this at a high level, it won't be possible to secure peace this time in Afghanistan," he added

    He also in Wednesday statements criticized the US for encouraging allies on the ground in Afghanistan who had worked with the US coalition - such as local Afghan translators and security personal (now being threatened by the Taliban and other Islamists) - to seek the safety of regional countries before seeking asylum in the US.

    As Bloomberg describes of the scathing comments:

       Turkey on Wednesday blasted the U.S. for recommending that Afghans fearful of a vengeful Taliban seek asylum in America from third countries.

       "Turkey does not, and will not, serve as any country’s waiting room," Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s communications director, Fahrettin Altun, told Bloomberg on Wednesday. "We will continue to do everything in our power to preserve the safety of our borders."

    Meanwhile the Biden administration continues to face criticism and anger over the scale of just how fast things have deteriorated, given as one senior EU official has pointed out over 65% of the country is now firmly in Taliban control, including at least eight provincial capitals.

    A prominent former US ambassador to Afghanistan under the Obama administration, Ryan Crocker, has gone so far as to lash out at Biden for abandoning the country the US spent 20 years attempting to secure to the Islamist enemies.

    "This is a handover to the Taliban," Crocker told Bloomberg TV Wednesday. He said the US-backed national government now perceives "rightly that we have hung them out to dry. We did a deal with their enemy."


    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-might-host-taliban-leader-us-ex-ambassador-blasts-biden-handover-enemies

    The Americans themselves haven't been able to work out what Erdogan is trying to achieve here, and have concluded that he's just trying to suck up to them

    https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/07/will-erdogans-afghan-gambit-pay-washington


    Will Erdogan’s Afghan gambit pay off in Washington?

    The general impression is that Ankara’s commitment to protect Kabul airport is only aimed at winning favor with Washington.

    July 30, 2021


    Many Turks are deeply concerned over President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s readiness to commit Turkish forces to provide the security at Kabul airport — despite the inherent dangers of such a mission — following the departure of US forces from that country.

    The question is also being conflated with that of the dramatic increase in the number of Afghan refugees currently heading for Turkey, in the wake of US President Joe Biden’s decision to pull US forces out of Afghanistan.

    The issue is causing an increasingly ugly political domestic debate between the Erdogan administration and the opposition, and also stoking racist sentiments among Turks against Arabs and Afghans.

    To most seasoned Turkish diplomats, Erdogan’s willingness to take on the task of protecting Kabul airport is simply another one of his ill-conceived projects.

    “To start with, nobody knows for sure whether this was Ankara’s offer or Washington’s suggestion,” wrote retired Ambassador Ali Tuygan in his Diplomatic Opinion blog.

    “But the general impression is that this was an offer by the Turkish government to cajole Washington into a more understanding attitude on Turkish-American differences by putting Turkish troops in harm’s way,” he continued.

    Turkish-American ties have been clouded for quite some time with multiple issues, including the question of Ankara’s purchase of Russian-made S-400 anti-missile defense systems that has resulted in US sanctions and other punitive measures being slapped on Turkey.

    This has also contributed significantly to the serious downturn of the Turkish economy, as a result of which Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party are said to be losing domestic credibility.

    The expectation in government circles appears to be that any improvement in Turkish-US ties will also help the Turkish economy, thus shoring up Erdogan’s domestic support.

    Ankara has also been seeking means to improve ties with Israel in order to facilitate better ties with Washington.

    Retired Ambassador Suha Umar believes that Erdogan’s decision to take on the security of Kabul airport is a sign of desperation.

    “This is an act that is based more on necessity than anything else,” he told Al Monitor, pointing at Turkey’s economic crisis as well as Ankara’s weakened hand on the international stage.

    “For a country in this situation to undertake such a mission that is fraught with uncertainty — and which will require resources in every respect — does not appear sensible,” Umar said. “All that is left is a situation that reflects desperation.”

    Few believe that Turkey’s involvement in Afghanistan after the departure of US forces will provide any benefits for Ankara. Many recall that Turkey’s involvement in Syria and Libya also fell short of achieving their ultimate objectives.

    The end result, it is feared, will be that Turkish forces will be placed at risk while Erdogan’s adventurism drags the country into a quagmire.

    “Would this put Turkish troops in harm’s way? Yes, definitely. Because the Taliban does not have to take over Kabul to disrupt the functioning of the airport, it has many other means at its disposal,” Tuygan wrote.

    Meanwhile, Erdogan’s approach to the whole question also appears to be deeply confused and riddled with contradictions.

    Erdogan is trying to reach out to the Taliban, on the one hand, by using Islamic rhetoric and castigating “imperial powers” that he accuses of having meddled in that country for decades.

    On the other hand, he is calling on the principal target of his anti-imperial rhetoric, namely the United States, to provide financial and logistical support for the Turkish military mission at Kabul airport.

    How he expects the Taliban not to see through this glaring contradiction is anyone's guess.

    The Taliban clearly sees Turkish forces in Afghanistan as an extension of the US-led NATO mission in that country and has already used threatening language in calling on Turkey to also withdraw its troops.

    Erdogan, nevertheless, appears to be relying on Sunni Islam as the lowest common denominator that will facilitate talks between Ankara and the Taliban.

    “Turkey and the Taliban should be able to conduct these talks easily since there is nothing out of keeping with Turkey’s beliefs and their beliefs,” Erdogan told reporters recently during a visit to northern Cyprus.

    Not surprisingly, these remarks created uproar among secular Turks who are castigating Erdogan for placing Turkey and the Taliban in the same category.

    Even some of Erdogan’s staunchest supporters like Hurriyet columnist Ahmet Hakan have rejected the notion of any equivalence between the practice of Islam in Turkey and the radical Islamic outlook of the Taliban.

    Hakan nevertheless argued that Turkey’s Islamic character could facilitate a dialogue with the Taliban.

    In criticizing Erdogan’s remark, liberal commentator Taha Akyol, however, stressed Turkey’s democratic and secular character as a social state based on the rule of law.

    “Are we not going to remain [in Afghanistan] under NATO’s umbrella?” Akyol also asked in his column for Karar daily. “It is wrong to look at the matter from the perspective of faith and to think that there is nothing out of keeping [between Turkey and the outlook of the] Taliban."

    Erdogan’s notion that Islam will bring Turkey and the Arab world closer also turned out to be a fallacy. This is clearly evident in the minimal support Ankara is getting from the Arab world over its involvements in Syria and Libya.

    Umar pointed out that Ankara may be expecting the decision to take on the security of Kabul airport to improve ties with Washington, but stressed that the conditions for securing such an improvement are very different.

    “If it could fulfill these conditions there would be no need for Turkey to take on any extra risks,” he said. He noted that taking on such extra risks is unlikely to improve ties with the United States.

    Trying to appease the Taliban by claiming that Turkey and the Taliban share similar outlooks with regard to faith is also likely to stoke American suspicions regarding Turkish intentions.

    “What this translates into as far as the West is concerned is this: ‘We share the same outlook as your enemies.’ It is very difficult to understand what kind of reasoning or policy this represents,” said Umar.

    “One has to question the reliability of an ally who admitted last week that Turkey ‘does not have any conflicting issues with [the Taliban's] beliefs,’ wrote Aykan Erdemir from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

    “These comments ought to serve as red flags amid ongoing negotiations between Ankara and Washington over Erdogan's offer to deploy Turkish troops to guard Kabul's international airport after US departure,” Erdemir continued in an opinion piece for Newsweek.

    With so many outstanding questions that remain unanswered, the domestic debate in Turkey —laced with much anger and recriminations — will only grow in the coming days and could leave Erdogan with much less in hand than he expected to gain with his Afghan gambit.

    And you know it's hard to disagree with them

    Erdo is simply operating outside of this reality. The Turks have spent the last couple of months hyping Uzbek warlord Dostum as the new face of the anti-Taliban militias and movement; but most of his own support base regions have just about been taken by the Taliban already, while his son was bulldozed along with his men at the front lines and was just evacuated yesterday to join his dad in Mazar-i-Sharif

    The momentum and speed of the Taliban assault over the last few weeks and especially the past week has I think put whatever plan any outside actor was working on straight into the bin. That's what the Taliban was going for I suspect.

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    Post  medo Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:58 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    medo wrote:Talibans capture airports in Farah, Sheberghan and Kunduz. Afghanistan army in kunduzm airport capitulate and surrender to Talibans, who capture large quantities of weapons and ammunition and even 1 mi-24 helicopter, which was donated by India.
    This Mi 24 was cannibalized by the Afghan military several years ago. Not of much value to the Taliban. Pakistan supplied MANPADS will in any case shoot down any attack helo that the Afghan army has. Pakistani military officers are already embedded with the Taliban.

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    BS. Several years ago... Rolling Eyes You want to say, that India give cannibalized helicopters to Afgan army? This helicopter b/n 123 was delivere in May 16 2019, two years ago. It is not cannibalized, but was maintained. Its rotor blades are placed under the helicopter.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:45 pm

    Pretty intense urban fighting in both Herat and Kandahar at the moment. Astan's 3rd and 2nd most largest cities respectively.


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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:27 pm

    Afghan finance minister quits, flees the country

    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/afghan-finance-minister-quits-leaves-country-as-taleban-advance

    Mr Payenda has "resigned and left the country because Afghanistan is grappling with declining revenues after the takeover of the Customs posts"

    Right. He must have seen the futures Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:37 pm

    Growing panic in Washington of the risk of a repeat of Saigon.

    The DoD/Pentagon/CENTCOM must also be getting twitchy about the 600 plus forces left behind. Amazing hostage potential may be on the horizon for the Taliban.


    The security situation in the war-torn country has deteriorated dramatically in less than a week's time, with the Taliban overrunning nearly a dozen provincial capitals and taking control of major road arteries amid the US's continued withdrawal.

    The US Embassy in Afghanistan issued a security alert on Thursday urging US citizens to "leave Afghanistan immediately using available commercial flight options." The Embassy urged those who cannot afford to purchase an airline ticket to contact the diplomatic mission. "If you are a US citizen and delaying your departure while you await an immigrant visa for a spouse or minor child, please contact us immediately."

    The mission also called on Americans still in the country to enrol in its 'Smart Traveler Enrollment Programme' to receive access to security updates and allow the Embassy to contact individuals in case of an emergency, including "in the event of a future official evacuation flight." The Embassy warned that "given the security conditions and reduced staffing," its "ability to assist US citizens in Afghanistan is extremely limited even within Kabul."

    The security alert comes amid a dramatic deterioration of the security situation in Afghanistan, with the Taliban capturing 11 cities, with reports that street battles are underway in Herat - Afghanistan's third-largest city, on Thursday.

    The State Department ordered a reduction of staff at the US's Kabul Embassy in late April, after President Biden announced that US forces would be withdrawing from the country after over 19 years of occupation. The State Department justified its decision at the time by citing "increasing violence and threat reports in Kabul."

    Afghanistan has long been listed as a Level 4 - 'Do Not Travel' nation by US government, with the State Department citing a long list of threats including crime, civil unrest, kidnapping, terrorism, armed conflict, and the coronavirus.


    https://sputniknews.com/asia/202108121083590883-us-embassy-in-afghanistan-asks-all-american-nationals-to-immediately-evacuate-country/

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:39 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Afghan finance minister quits, flees the country

    Mr Payenda has "resigned and left the country because Afghanistan is grappling with declining revenues after the takeover of the Customs posts"

    Right. He must have seen the futures Laughing

    Plus his gold and $ and family are safely out. He will be the first of many, not that he is the first of course. Probably important enough to be heading for the US.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:59 pm

    Kandahar prison break! welcome



    oh and btw herat has fallen

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    Post  Finty Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:03 pm

    Reading all this makes me think was the f*cking point, only the US arms dealers and corrupt Afghans (I imagine) have done well out of this. Got me thinking, I hope the US withdrawal from Iraq won't be as bad as this (or the previous Iraqi withdrawal for that matter) but it's fair to say that enemy forces in Iraq aren't what they are. ISIS's future seems to be in Africa for now, their presence in Afghanistan is also somewhat subdued?
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:43 pm


    Like Napoleon I Bonaparte told Mahatma Gandhi during the 1853 Yalta Conference in Santiago de Chile: ''This shit is getting crazy, dawg!!!''    

    U.S. Asks Taliban to Spare Its Embassy in Coming Fight for Kabul

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/us/politics/taliban-afghanistan-us-embassy.html

    American negotiators are trying to extract assurances from the Taliban that they will not attack the U.S. Embassy in Kabul if the extremist group overruns the capital in a direct challenge to the country's government, two American officials said.
    The effort, led by Zalmay Khalilzad, the chief American envoy in talks with the Taliban, seeks to stave off an evacuation of the embassy as the fighters rapidly seize cities across Afghanistan. The Taliban's advance has put embassies in Kabul on high alert for a surge of violence in coming months, or even weeks, and forced consulates and other diplomatic missions elsewhere in the country to shut down.

    American diplomats now are trying to determine how soon they may need to evacuate the U.S. Embassy should the Taliban prove to be more bent on destruction than a détente. On Thursday, the embassy urged Americans who were not working for the U.S. government to leave Afghanistan immediately on commercial flights.

    Biden administration officials insist that there are no immediate plans to significantly draw down the embassy's staff of 4,000 employees, including about 1,400 Americans, as U.S. troops formally complete their withdrawal from the country.
    "We are withdrawing our forces from Afghanistan, but we are not withdrawing from Afghanistan," the State Department said in a statement. "Although U.S. troops will depart, the United States will maintain our robust diplomatic engagement with Afghanistan."
    Five current and former officials described the mood inside the embassy as increasingly tense and worried, and diplomats at the State Department's headquarters in Washington noted a sense of tangible depression at the specter of closing it, nearly 20 years after U.S. Marines reclaimed the burned-out building in December 2001.

    Several people gloomily revived a comparison that all wanted to avoid: the fall of Saigon in 1975, when Americans were evacuated from the embassy from a rooftop by helicopter."


    Oh and Kandahar is under new (old) management as well as of couple of hours ago....


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    Post  Finty Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:58 pm

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58195286

    Afghanistan: UK troops sent to get Britons out as Taliban advances

    Around 600 UK troops are to be sent to Afghanistan to assist British nationals to leave, the government has announced.

    It comes as the Taliban has seized the cities of Ghazni and Herat - taking control of 11 provincial capitals in less than a week.

    Military personnel will provide protection and help relocate UK nationals, Afghan staff and interpreters.

    On Friday the Foreign Office advised all British nationals to leave.

    It is estimated that around 4,000 British citizens are still in the country.

    Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said the security of British nationals, military personnel and former Afghan staff was the government's first priority and that it "must do everything we can to ensure their safety".

    "I have authorised the deployment of additional military personnel to support the diplomatic presence in Kabul, assist British nationals to leave the country and support the relocation of former Afghan staff who risked their lives serving alongside us," he said.

    Mr Wallace said deployment of troops, who will be arriving in the coming days, was a "pre-planned phase" and was to "enable the next step of leaving".

    But the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said the additional deployment was "in light of the increasing violence and rapidly deteriorating security environment in the country".

    The UK's ambassador to Afghanistan, Sir Laurie Bristow, will continue to lead a small team in Afghanistan which will relocate within Kabul to a more secure location, the MoD said.

    Labour's shadow defence secretary John Healey said the MoD had his party's full backing on sending troops to help the evacuation.

    "We share widespread dismay that the security situation in Afghanistan is deteriorating so much faster than forecast," he said, adding that while the UK's forces were withdrawing "we cannot walk away from the people of Afghanistan".

    The US has also said it is sending 3,000 military troops to the airport in Kabul to help evacuate a "significant" amount of embassy staff on special flights.

    The Taliban has moved with speed, seizing new territories and cities almost daily, as the US and other foreign troops withdraw from Afghanistan after 20 years of military operations.

    They now control around a third of the country's regional cities and most of northern Afghanistan.

    On Thursday the Taliban took control of Herat, the third largest city, and there is heavy fighting in Kandahar, the second largest.

    More than 1,000 civilians have been killed in Afghanistan in the past month, according to the UN.

    The UK's Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy (ARAP) has already supported more than 3,100 former Afghan staff and their families to move to the UK - with 1,800 of them arriving in the last few weeks, the MoD said.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:14 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Biden administration officials insist that there are no immediate plans to significantly draw down the embassy's staff of 4,000 employees, including about 1,400 Americans, as U.S. troops formally complete their withdrawal from the country.
    "We are withdrawing our forces from Afghanistan, but we are not withdrawing from Afghanistan," the State Department said in a statement. "Although U.S. troops will depart, the United States will maintain our robust diplomatic engagement with Afghanistan."
    Five current and former officials described the mood inside the embassy as increasingly tense and worried, and diplomats at the State Department's headquarters in Washington noted a sense of tangible depression at the specter of closing it, nearly 20 years after U.S. Marines reclaimed the burned-out building in December 2001.

    Several people gloomily revived a comparison that all wanted to avoid: the fall of Saigon in 1975, when Americans were evacuated from the embassy from a rooftop by helicopter."
    I would suggest that large numbers of the 2600 Afghan employees in the US embassy are now in simpler clothes fleeing back to their original towns and villages.

    Panic now? Just wait until the airport is closed when the aircraft operators decide its too dangerous or their insurance is removed as it turns into a war zone.

    A lot of money is going to change hands as the corrupt who have it buy their way out of the country by any route possible.

    It looks like the US and UK have now taken the decision to get everyone but a skeleton staff out. In go the C-17s. Wonder what aviation fuel stocks are like in Kabul?

    However, the Taliban top Doha team have said diplomats are safe, they have to be for a Taliban run country to be accepted into the World community. This will be a huge test for the Taliban in maintaining control of their diverse units. If its the Taliban units that get there first who have been hit by B-52 or C-130 gunship strikes all bets may be off. One would hope that those strikes have now been called off to stop stoking that particular fire.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:46 pm

    A little bit more

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    ."The Turks are still in the lead for security" at Hamid Karzai International Airport, says @PentagonPresSec

    "I'm not going to do battlefield assessment from here at the Pentagon podium," replies @Pentagon
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    3,000 U.S. troops total deploying, Kirby says The US is deploying 3 infantry battalions to Afghanistan to support the evacuation process of the American citizens.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:03 pm

    Could be a bit late and who gets the Eagle?

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    The ever-elusive Afghan “peace” process negotiations re-started this Wednesday in Doha via the extended troika – the US, Russia, China and Pakistan
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    JohninMK wrote:Could be a bit late and who gets the Eagle?

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    Death row inmates offering power sharing deal to prison guards, more news at 6...


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    So the Afghan milititary, with over a decade of US training and BILLIONs in weapons, is collapsing like a house of cards in the face of a much smaller force of insurgents, just like tghe Iraqi army. How does US and Western military doctine have ANY credibility?

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:47 am

    Clear U.S involvement in Afghanistan to ensure that Taliban makes rapid progress. This explains why Pakistan has not been sanctioned yet by the U.S despite sending in 30,000 jihadis to Afghanistan in less than a month.

    So with a Taliban controlled Afghanistan it's clear the regime will remain anti Russia and India. But China will be able to control resources with the help of Pakistan.

    medo wrote: BS. Several years ago... Rolling Eyes You want to say, that India give cannibalized helicopters to Afgan army? This helicopter b/n 123 was delivere in May 16 2019, two years ago. It is not cannibalized, but was maintained. Its rotor blades are placed under the helicopter.

    Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Rotor blades are stored below this suggests further technical reasons airframe was left behind. Also would required trained ground & air crews to operate.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:33 am

    Sujoy wrote:Clear U.S involvement in Afghanistan to ensure that Taliban makes rapid progress. This explains why Pakistan has not been sanctioned yet by the U.S despite sending in 30,000 jihadis to Afghanistan in less than a month.

    Interesting comment.

    What leads you to this conclusion?
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:06 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:Clear U.S involvement in Afghanistan to ensure that Taliban makes rapid progress. This explains why Pakistan has not been sanctioned yet by the U.S despite sending in 30,000 jihadis to Afghanistan in less than a month.

    Interesting comment.

    What leads you to this conclusion?
    Those 6000 hardened Taliban criminals were released by the U.S without any pre condition. It is these individuals who are now overseeing Taliban operations across Afghanistan.

    US invite to Taliban for talks for more than 2 years was basically laying the groundwork for U.S/NATO withdrawal.

    Jihadi groups based in Pakistan are lending their support to the Taliban. Already > 30K jihadis have moved into Afghanistan from Pakistan and yet the US has neither imposed sanctions on Pakistan nor has it carried out air strikes against Pakistan.

    U.S knows fully well that 3 training camps has been set up by Pakistan in the Tera agency region of Pakistan where Taliban fighters are being trained.


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