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    Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan

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    Post  medo Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:35 am

    Isos wrote:
    If needed, China could give Talibans some air defense weapons as Talibans control border with China.

    lol1 lol1 lol1

    Haven't you seen that history tends to repeat itself in Afghanistan ?

    Last to give Talibans air defence weapons were the US and  today they are leaving pants down after 20 years of useless war.

    Taliban don't care about chinese products. They live very well without them in their mountains.

    US give Stingers to mujahedeens, not to Talibans, which appeared after the fall of Najibulah. Talibans than defeated US sponsored mujahedeens in the nineties.

    Talibans are not stupid and they want to remain in power after the war, so they have to offer to Afghanistanis something else and not only Quran and AK-47. They need trade and investments and rebuilding of destroyed Afghanistan. They send delegations to Iran, Russia and China to confirm, that they are in business in Silk road projects, which will bring economical opportunity to Afghanistan. This si why Talibans are so active in capturing towns and provinces in the northern Afghanistan, where Silk road rute is planed. Road and railroad...

    When Talibans will take control of whole Afghanistan, war will end. Neither Russia neither China will go in Afghanistan militarely. They will go in with companies, trade and investments.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:05 am

    TMA1 wrote:Why the f*** is my country creating such a vacuum for chicoms to fill up? Same thing with ns2. Funny how we were told trump was a foreign asset. Now we have Biden giving everything to everyone on a silver platter. Look how quickly Taliban filled the vacuum. This wasn't just Pakistan.

    Edit: correction of post

    It (I assume the US) didn't create a "vacuum" as you put it, it just screwed up in its normal way by trying to impose its view on another country. Same as NS2.

    I hardly regard "giving everything to everyone on a silver platter" as a bad thing. They are effectively, once they actually get out, giving the sovereignty of a country back.

    Afghanistan is now just a straight forward, but highly weaponised civil war with both sides having external supporters. Just as has occurred for 1000s of years.

    That the US/NATO pissed away significant wealth and lives is their legacy of sticking their noses in where they were not wanted. That the Afghans had to suffer it was their bad luck.

    The US could have gone in peacefully and worked commercially, just think how that might have turned out? Instead, being the 'exceptional' people with an unbeatable military they tried to take it by force and, although they won't admit it in a thousand years, were defeated.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:25 pm

    Another city bites the dust.

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    New image confirming TB presence at governor's HQ in Farah city. To be honest, Farah city wasn't expected to collapse so soon after last night's fighting. Not sure what happened there today (maybe a surrender deal?). Almost total collapse within few hours.

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    Taliban close to capturing the city of Farah, the capital of Farah province in western Afghanistan. The pockets of resistance of the Afghan govt forces in the city are falling one after another, according to reports.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:16 pm

    All just goes to show how artificial the Afghan government was. It only existed thanks to massive amounts of foreign troops

    Soon as the US and pals exited.. in fact they haven't even finished exiting yet.. but the Afghan authorities are already barely hanging on by a thread besieged in a dwindling crew of cities

    Neither the socialist-era Afghan govt, nor South Vietnam, nor Iraq was such a shitshow.

    No-one handed anyone anything on a silver platter, have to agree with what's already been mentioned.
    It's simply reverting to the natural order of things now that foreign troops have dismantled their garrisons

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/10/taliban-seizes-farah-seventh-provincial-afghan-capital-in-five-days

    7 provincial capitals in 5 days. Just wow

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:19 pm

    flamming_python wrote:All just goes to show how artificial the Afghan government was. It only existed thanks to massive amounts of foreign troops
    Don't forget the stashes of $ as well.

    The leaders get the money, the followers get the action, so die or are maimed.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:20 pm

    And who was that idiot in the Russian Foreign Ministry or some Russian high-up who just last week claimed that the Taliban was running out of steam? pwnd

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:22 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:All just goes to show how artificial the Afghan government was. It only existed thanks to massive amounts of foreign troops
    Don't forget the stashes of $ as well.

    The leaders get the money, the followers get the action, so die or are maimed.

    I do have to say the Italians were certainly the most creative military of the bunch

    Just use your military budget to pay the Taliban not to attack you or intrude lol1
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:27 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
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    flamming_python wrote:All just goes to show how artificial the Afghan government was. It only existed thanks to massive amounts of foreign troops
    Don't forget the stashes of $ as well.

    The leaders get the money, the followers get the action, so die or are maimed.

    I do have to say the Italians were certainly the most creative military of the bunch

    Just use your military budget to pay the Taliban not to attack you or intrude lol1
    Their history with dozens of 'statelets' taught them that.

    Can be a definite win win in the modern age too.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:28 pm


    Farah City going down is 2 hours old news, Pul-i-Khumri is the latest city to fall

    https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2021/08/farah-city-pul-i-khumri-fall-to-the-taliban.php

    Taliban are tearing through A-stan almost as hard as Serbian waterpolo team through Olympics Cool

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:43 pm

    Taliban Tet Offensive
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    Post  Finty Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Taliban Tet Offensive

    Maybe history will repeat itself with another operation Linebacker. After all, the USAF B-52s have been back over Afghanistan!
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Farah City going down is 2 hours old news, Pul-i-Khumri is the latest city to fall

    https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2021/08/farah-city-pul-i-khumri-fall-to-the-taliban.php

    Taliban are tearing through A-stan almost as hard as Serbian waterpolo team through Olympics Cool

    How about

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    Pule Khomri the capital of Baghlan province have fallen into the hands of Taliban. Earlier today, I spoke to my friend the deputy Governor Ghafari who told me, anti Taliban militias had abandoned the city&went to Andarab, he said he had not received reinforcements or air power.

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    #Baghlan Governor, remaining troops and some officials withdrew to Shamarq, 4 km's south of Pul e Khumri. Now there are 2 options: either evacuation by choppa' or long trip by Kabul road. I think some arrangements will be made like in case of Taloqan #Afghanistan

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:52 am

    Faizabad the capital of Badakhshan has fallen to the Taliban now



    Fighting in Kandahar city continues meanwhile

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:00 am

    I know what I think, but I'm curious, what do y'all think of Joe Biden saying: "Biden tells Afghanistan they have to 'WANT' to fight the Taliban and insists he does not regret pulling troops..."

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:04 am

    flamming_python wrote:



    On a smaller scale but a bit like the British Army 150 years ago. Legends brought to life Laughing
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:08 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I know what I think, but I'm curious, what do y'all think of Joe Biden saying: "Biden tells Afghanistan they have to 'WANT' to fight the Taliban and insists he does not regret pulling troops..."

    Sad

    If that is indeed what he said, good on him. Finally a bit of reality from the USG.

    Its a civil war in a sovereign state, they can sort it out between themselves.

    If Government forces don't want to fight that is their decision, it could save their lives. Anyway, unless they were on the gravy train what's in it for them to fight, other than death?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:14 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I know what I think, but I'm curious, what do y'all think of Joe Biden saying: "Biden tells Afghanistan they have to 'WANT' to fight the Taliban and insists he does not regret pulling troops..."

    Sad

    There is no winning in Afghanistan at least not the way that USA would like so he is pretty much saying it how it is

    Cold hard honesty, good on him (even though it was Trump who pressed the eject button but whatever)

    This was about avenging 9/11 which should have been done and all of us everywhere supported it but it somehow became nation building, spreading influence and feeding MIC

    Killing Bin Laden was piece of cake, everything else was Mission Impossible, no point dying for Afghanistan when Afghans are the first ones who refuse to die for it




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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:34 am

    Well, do you think Afghanistan fighting the Taliban is a case of WANTING TO, or able to? or a case of many do not want to, and Afghanistan is not able to.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:44 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Well, do you think Afghanistan fighting the Taliban is a case of WANTING TO, or able to? or a case of many do not want to, and Afghanistan is not able to.

    Afghan Military are colossally corrupt paper tiger who got accustomed to leeching off USA and having US Military fighting and dying in their place

    After 20 years of sitting on their asses they have neither skills nor balls to fight and they will be surrendering big time (already are)

    They never really expected​ USA to leave and they thought that easy living will last indefinitely

    So no, they definitely don't want to fight, never did (and even if they did they don't know how to because they wasted 20 years doing nothing)



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    Post  medo Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:54 pm

    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1425480276197748738

    Afghanistan army is leaving Kandahar city.

    Talibans capture airports in Farah, Sheberghan and Kunduz. Afghanistan army in kunduzm airport capitulate and surrender to Talibans, who capture large quantities of weapons and ammunition and even 1 mi-24 helicopter, which was donated by India.

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    Post  medo Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:03 pm

    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1425496776157634560

    Talibans in Kunduz airport.

    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1425490727816077326

    Captured vehicles...

    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1425480993776017409

    Captured Sheberghan airport.

    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1425428851874836497

    Captured Farah airport.

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    Post  Finty Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:41 pm

    Been a while since the Taliban had any (presumably) serviceable aircraft in service!

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:20 pm

    Finty wrote:Been a while since the Taliban had any (presumably) serviceable aircraft in service!

    That Mi-35 doesn't look too serviceable to me. Someone stole the rotors Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:35 pm

    More from Biden. That the Taliban are also fighting for their nation doesn't seem to figure in most Western reports.

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    Right hand map updated

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:54 pm

    Finty wrote:Been a while since the Taliban had any (presumably) serviceable aircraft in service!

    You laugh but they managed to operate at least one MiG-21 back in the 90s, that's how they forced a Russian Il-76 to land when over their airspace

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